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GK is completely missing the earlier stated fact that Mockra was guarded last night and he's saying Mockra may have missed an action?

Mockra says he had the thief Day 2 and didn't use it, except that Hood's Path will obviously be able to refute that claim because his Lover card was stolen.

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Gamelon, on 22 January 2010 - 09:34 PM, said:

Same as all previous orders (didn't I say to just keep using that one?) anyways:

Consort
Card Finder
Vigilante
Mayor
Guard
Lover
King
Target Finder
Role Finder
Healer
Thief
Place Swap
Socialite
Bomber

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Mockra, on 22 January 2010 - 09:51 PM, said:

Explain to me the card dealing again. Clockwise so if I got the first card, that means that Bargy would have the king card, so if I take his card, do I get the card he chose?

Ahh piss on it, steal from Bargy

Bent will steal the Role Finder.

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Mockra, on 22 January 2010 - 10:23 PM, said:

Find Driss' role please

Also card list provisional

same as last time if I survive

Kill Driss if I am not gaurded

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Right now, Bent is using his Thief masterfully to lie about his card list. However, if HP gets on and reads what Bent has said so far, I think Bent may be in big trouble with getting lynched.

That said, HP still has the guard on Bent for today, so that may be two strikes against Mockra if HP survives the night.

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Ahahahahaha, Bent is now going for a straight up lynch of Barghast. He's claiming the card he stole from Bargie, and will use Gamelon's current on-thread suspicions (and Barg's near-lynch yesterday, no doubt) to try and seal the deal with Barghast claiming Bent the liar. The only real downside to this is that Bent virtually guarantees his own guard today from HP, and it's up to the apprentices to "luckily" deduce or guess who the current guard is and kill that person so Mockra isn't outed tomorrow.

Then they can pin the one-death thing on Barghast, saying he was an apprentice, and Mockra walks free.

Still, anything can happen, but it's currently a very good fight, even if the game has been very slow so far.

[bubba]

It picked up great after the near lynch of Bargy. If bent pulls this off it will be a work of art.

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Mockra, on 22 January 2010 - 10:37 PM, said:

I cannot kill Gamelon...I cannot kill Kalse....I doubt Bargy is my symp (bad inno play, even though he damn near caused me to lose!)

So symps right now are Kalse and Gamelon (I bet I am sooo wrong and killed off my symps!!!)!!!!!!!!aaaahhhhh!!!!!

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Gamelon, on 22 January 2010 - 10:55 PM, said:

So, you like my charts? I've got 'em for days 3 and 4 too, but not ready to divulge those yet. Also got a table of NAs, but that's staying with me 'til the end.

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That's some mighty fine dancing by Bent there. He's got Gamelon hook, line and sinker! (Those were awesome charts, by the way.). Kind of surprised he's managed to do this though - if there had been one kill, people might have thought that the Apprentices had used their cards that night, or perhaps that Olar Ethil was an apprentice. But with no kills, that means the killer's NK must have failed, and it's far more likely for that to have been because of the guard card than the healer card at this point. But if they pull it off, they win - 9 players left, lynch one, kill two and it's 3v3 and scum win. Would be a pretty impressive win, even if they were allowed to coast a bit too freely the first few days.

This game is finally turning out how I hoped it would . The innos have a lot of information to try and catch the killer, but the killer has enough information to know how to hide properly (and Bent's doing an awesome job). Just a shame it took so long to get going...

Anyway, some PMs:

Kalse, on 22 January 2010 - 11:48 PM, said:

Hey Shin-

Ok I got the Target finder. it was my 4th choice. Mockra got the role finder. that means D'riss, thyr and/or Serc have the guard/heal/vig. Unless you have something like one of those.

I put in a provisional NK on D'riss. Let me know if I need to change.. wish you were on right now.. we could 1-2 Barghast before he can defend himself.

I will check back around 8pm pst, hopefully you are on.

Any plans... Mockra just totally savd himself.

Kalse, on 22 January 2010 - 11:49 PM, said:

lol they are totally discounting the fact that master and apprentice could have targeted the same person... I think thats what happened night 2.. lol we bth got Silchas and Alkend got Kaschan. rofl.

Life's easy for the symps when the master is playing so well . The Dude's got the right idea with the Night 2 kills.

Kalse, on 22 January 2010 - 11:45 PM, said:

I submit a provisional NK on D'riss

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OK, as I said on thread, the clock will be stopped during the day time over the weekend. However, if a lynch is achieved, the night will continue to run as normal.

Sir Thursday

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Mockra, on 23 January 2010 - 02:13 AM, said:

Well, thats the best I can do now. Hopefully we get the lynch on Bargy. And hopefully I dont get gaurded and my team mates with hold. In fact, better to just

With hold my kill tonight. No kill

this way, if I get gaurded, no biggy, if I don't - havok on the thread about the gaurded player...maybe my teammates will use theirs. or not...sigh...anyway, I've done all I could,

Many thanks to Gamelon and Kalse.

Night PS's

I don't think this will make any difference, since he's being guarded anyway, but given that if the scum get two kills tonight they've won, it seems a little foolish not to put himself in with a chance...

Osseric, on 23 January 2010 - 02:16 AM, said:

Yeah, it's obvious to us.

Don't be so negative, dude. I think we can get Bargy lynched and there are two good scenarios that can result. Both our kill and mockras goes through and we're just inches from winning.

Or possibly even better, someone guards Mockra, our kill goes through, and they scramble to figure out who the master is since it can't be Mockra.

I have the healer card. I'll go ahead and confirm the kill on D'riss.

We may want to consider not killing who we think might have the Guard, since that guard will probably be put on Mockra if he isn't lynched, to try and confirm whether or not he is master.

It's worth a try, since if people assume there's only one apprentice left they might not jump to the conclusion that Mockra is the Master. And the scum are almost at the finishing line here. (Osseric confirmed the kill on D'riss, BTW)

Sir Thursday

[HoosierDaddy]

Ball dropping by Gam. Too cutesy, D'rek. People have valid reasons to maintain secrecy. As long as they aren't LYING, there's no reason to call out other players on their roles. The waters have no been muddied to an unbelievable degree, and here come the symps to finish off the job.

Have I read this correctly:

2 kills per night by scum: 1 Master, 1 Apprentices?

Master guarded night 1, Vig Night 1, apprentice kill night 1?

If I have read it correctly, and I'm town this game....

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Hood, on 23 January 2010 - 04:41 AM, said:

Ok seriously is Gam a fucking idiot!!!!! revealing who got firs choice is one of the stupidest moves anyone could possibly do (bar revealing their own role, i had no choice!! )but i dont think hes scum., i think hes just stupid


PS if this gets to spoilers i apologize gam but youve pissed me off

Gamelon's excessive revealing is probably causing angst to players who like to keep info hidden. I don't think revealing today's king was a good idea, except that it does really help HP not get lynched today, so that's a hard break.

Mockra, on 23 January 2010 - 05:05 AM, said:

Hee hee...I was the thief...if only I had been smart enough (like Game) to figure out what card was whos...oh well, at least I know it cant be stolen MUAHAHHAHAHA

Also, if pushed I am going to say that HP did not guard me...instead with my role finding ability, I will take the biggest gamble ever and say that Kalse had the vig card...all my eggs in one basket...and if Kalse isn't a symp then I am screwed, but would be anyway with another no kill. We'll see how it plays out.

Bent's gambling huge here... Gamelon draws first tomorrow unless she dies tonight (highly unlikely D'rek is lynched), which only happens if the current NAs change. That means Kalse and Osseric draw nearly last, which means it's almost guaranteed that they won't have the vig. Bent could out himself and his teammate with that guess, unless Kalse throws Bent under the bus to save himself.

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Now that I can see the charts at home, they are amazing. Day 1 for some reason is completely missing Olar Ethil, but otherwise is 100% correct!

Day 2 is also 100% correct except Olar (who is now in the chart) is in the wrong spot, but all other players are correct. Very good reasoning by D'rek with the information she has been given.

Days 3 and 4 are 100% accurate.

D'rek is very good with understanding the card roles and using them strategically and is a strong candidate for (Wo)man of the match. Of course, she's not realizing Bent had the thief is using the information he has to very good effect. However, there's really no case for Gamelon being anything other than the Master or inno. (Apprentice can't kill w/ consort) No way the Master gives out THAT much information just to push the current lynch on Barghast, so D'rek is PI, IMO.

Barghast was lynched and it should keep things quite interesting

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Well this could be very interesting tomorrow.

All scum are attacking D'riss, so he's dead. D'riss has the vig and thus Bent's gamble tomorrow could work HUGELY in his favor, even though he's guarded and doesn't realize D'riss is holding the vig.

Thyr and Serc haven't submitted any actions, could be a huge mistake if they don't get one in.

It will be hard to pin everything on Mockra tomorrow with D'riss dying and if Kalse backs up Mockra's claim. It would fit Gamelon's theory perfectly, and would probably result in HP dying tomorrow, as his 'guard' didn't work and someone died (assuming Bargie was a symp, you put HP as the other symp or master pretty easily, I think).

Anyway, could be hard for innos to recover from this one, but there's a chance for sure.

[MTS]

I was SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO close to vigging Mockra. I had my finger on the enter key and everything. AND OSSERIC TOO! God, how I hate myself.

This post has been edited by Mappo's Travelling Sack: 23 January 2010 - 12:47 PM

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Hood's Path submits his list:

Hood, on 23 January 2010 - 03:04 PM, said:

Thief
Guard
King
Healer
Vig
Lover
Role Finder
Target Finder
Bomber
Card Finder
Socialite
Place Swap
Consort
Mayor

As people start to realise the importance of picking first to get the card they want, we're also seeing a rise in the number of people trying to use the Thief card instead of the King. To me, that signals that it's a good time to be grabbing the Bomber card. Set yourself up as someone near the top of the picking order, and you'll get your card stolen with spectacular results .


Sir Thursday

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Reflecting on the position of the game, a scum win looks very likely. Mockra has done a masterful job of getting away with being guarded on Night 3 - the single kill last night gives him an out because he can say one of the apprentices is dead. And they pretty much have to kill Mockra today to win (either via lynch or vig) - lynching Osseric or Kalse is going to be difficult given how good both of those players are at staying out of trouble.


Sir Thursday

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Shin and The Dude are practically unlynchable. Shin I think has only been lynched as scum when he was outed by a finder. I think The Dude has never once been lynched in a game of Mafia.

I don't know if Mockra survives today, that seems a bit of a stretch, but when you control 3 out of 7 votes, and Gamelon is already kind of on your side, it's hard to imagine the scum not pulling this one out.