[Baudinsballs]

Hi. I didn't know where to put this, but I've had some crazy theories on the Crippled God baring in mind I haven't finished Bonehunters yet, I'm up to the

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Goddess poilel being mauled

So to my theories on Jade Giants and their connection to the Crippled God.

Theory one. They're the Crippled Gods original followers and are coming to find their missing God.

Theory two. This one came after I read a DUST OF DREAMS spoiler

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about the Gods' heart and its location being guarded by FA.

So when he was cast down he was torn apart, his heart landing in one place, his other body parts in another. What if maybe, he was originally a Jade Giant? I remember Deadhouse Gates and the trio came across the statue in the sands, that was I think a giant? So what if that's part of the Gods body and the guy we see in the books chained is just his essence, or spirit. And the Jade Giants are actually his own people, coming to rescue one of their own.

I know it's bare and just clutching at straws and probably disproved in later book, but I like them.

This post has been edited by Abyss: 13 January 2010 - 08:50 PM
Reason for edit: to clarify what books are spoilersed and to block further DoD spoilers.

[Aptorian]

I think you should edit out

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the heart stuff

.

This is not BH info. Just because you were subjected to a minor spoiler doesn't mean other readers need to be exposed.

But it's an interesting theory, I don't recall anyone ever comparing him with the Jade Giants. How ever, there not been any suggestions they are connected either. The Crippled God seemed to be made out of flesh and the Jade Giants have not been described as either sentient or having any form of working bodyfunctions, let alone feeling.

EDIT: Abyss just raped vastly improved, clarified, strengthened and saved this thread and possibly the universe... where the hell is this sub forum? It's like the thread is in limbo.

This post has been edited by Abyss: 13 January 2010 - 08:55 PM
Reason for edit: to display what we all know Apt really means.

[Hetan]

It's in General Book Forum - not being related to any particular book.. so yeah, limbo..

[masan's saddle]

It's as good a theory as anything else i've read concerning those pesky green buggers. I'm pretty sure it says somewhere that the CG's body was in bits when it came down, maybe it was "shattered" as opposed to dismembered, but then you have the problem of the Ravens (Crone et al) and the "flesh" they were spawned from.

I like the idea of the Jade hand in Deadhouse Gates belonging to the CG, it certainly makes Heboric's relationship to the CG more interesting. But i'm not convinced as it doesn't tie in with his vision/prophecy thing in the prologue of DOD.

[Epiph]

Do we need to spoilerize in limbo?

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Don't we know from Heboric in...Bonehunters?...that the Jade Statues/Giants are full of people's souls? There's not really anything to support the idea that the Jade Statues/Giants are single, sentient personalities...

[Sinisdar Toste]

i believe that piece of information actually came in HoC while heboric was taking his nightly hen'bara journeys

[K'Chain Bull'shite]

I thought it was pretty much understood that the multitude of souls in the Jade Giants were followers of the Crippled God, trying to find him. Well, that's what I believe anyway.

[Juvenis]

I remember that the statues were filled with souls...but where was the Crippled God connection? In that same part with Heboric, or is it meant to be inferred based on another part of the series?

[MTS]

This is the connection between them.

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As he swung round, he saw—
—and cried out.
A cry that made no sound.
A vast - impossibly vast - red-limned wound cut across the blackness, suppurating flames along its ragged edges. Grey storms of chaos spiralled out in lancing tendrils.
And the giants descended into its maw. One after another. To vanish. Revelation
filled his mind.
Thus, the Crippled God was brought down to our world. Through this… this terrible
puncture. And these giants… follow. Like an army behind its commander.
Or an army in pursuit.

Refutable since Heboric qualifies it with 'like', and is an imperfect observer. He knows nothing of the origins of both, or the nature of the Jade (at least at the moment). The only connection here could be that the giants coming through are a byproduct of the rent itself. The Crippled God is not necessarily concerned with justice, and those within the Jade never mention the Crippled God. Still, it's an attractive theory - the Crippled God could be this 'master behind the Jade'.

[Abyss]

Bre, on 14 January 2010 - 11:11 AM, said:

I thought it was pretty much understood that the multitude of souls in the Jade Giants were followers of the Crippled God, trying to find him. Well, that's what I believe anyway.

Nope - see below.

Juvenis, on 14 January 2010 - 02:07 PM, said:

I remember that the statues were filled with souls...but where was the Crippled God connection? ...

Mappo, on 14 January 2010 - 02:21 PM, said:

This is the connection between them.

Quote

As he swung round, he saw—
—and cried out.
A cry that made no sound.
A vast - impossibly vast - red-limned wound cut across the blackness, suppurating flames along its ragged edges. Grey storms of chaos spiralled out in lancing tendrils.
And the giants descended into its maw. One after another. To vanish. Revelation
filled his mind.
Thus, the Crippled God was brought down to our world. Through this… this terrible
puncture. And these giants… follow. Like an army behind its commander.
Or an army in pursuit.

Refutable since Heboric qualifies it with 'like', and is an imperfect observer....Still, it's an attractive theory - the Crippled God could be this 'master behind the Jade'.

And that would be it, except that in that same section in HoC, Heboric falls into the Jade chunk and there is dialogue from the souls... and it appears they aren't even from the same world, let alone one belief system. One even makes the point along the lines of "We killed all our gods!".

It does appear that the Jade chunks are falling through the rift opened when the CG was pulled through.

Despite the 'other worlds' part, i can't help but wonder if followers in his own world are sending sacrificial souls through. Or perhaps it's just a form of worship unrelated to him, but based around the rift. Souls close rifts. Maybe someone is trying to close the rift by pitching souls into it and the jade statues crashing on the Malaz worlds is just an unforseen consequence.

There also seems to be an increase in numbers of Jade chunks. we know one statue, possibly more, landed on Otataral Island. we could guess another one is somewhere under the Teblor lands on the Laerdon Plateau. But now we have the almost-impacts in TB, the moon, and the coasting chunks in DoD. Something is building.

- Abyss, could say someone is blowing chunks...

[Sinisdar Toste]

but the jade and the CG are connected. Remember Baruk traps that entity from the CG's home world? the one who is meditating and Baruk calls a very spiritual individual. that entity was glowing with a jade light and had jade eyes iirc. i think it happens in TtH. will look up quotes when i get home.

[Pig Iron]

Faith seems to build power for a God, e.g. sacrifices to/in the sea for Mael. Imagine the effect of the potential huge number of believers in those statues. Then again, I agree that the souls might not be CG believers at all.

[Abyss]

Sinisdar Toste, on 14 January 2010 - 06:48 PM, said:

... i think it happens in TtH. will look up quotes when i get home.

It did.

*sighs, goes to change thread title again*

- Abyss, prevers tango to limbo...

[Inkiper]

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ehhh...in Tall the hounds there is poison drink named saemankelyk which automaticly make drinker, a child of crippled god...

unfortunately i'm waitin' for dust of dreams to may or june...because than, there will be polish version of this book

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[Hetan]

Sinisdar Toste, on 14 January 2010 - 06:48 PM, said:

but the jade and the CG are connected. Remember Baruk traps that entity from the CG's home world? the one who is meditating and Baruk calls a very spiritual individual. that entity was glowing with a jade light and had jade eyes iirc. i think it happens in TtH. will look up quotes when i get home.

Here's a quote :-

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The Great Raven returned her attention to the apparition. Studied its jade eyes, its jagged traceries of crackling filaments, pulsing like a slowed heart. "And you know, then," she said.
"Yes. The demon is from the realm of the Fallen One. His birthplace."
"Meditating, you say. Seeking its god?"

It's not definitive that it's from the Jade Giant statues, but I think the resemblance is close enough.

[Sinisdar Toste]

yes, thank you hetan. that was the one

[champ]

Inkiper, on 14 January 2010 - 07:58 PM, said:

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ehhh...in Tall the hounds there is poison drink named saemankelyk which automaticly make drinker, a child of crippled god...

unfortunately i'm waitin' for dust of dreams to may or june...because than, there will be polish version of this book

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actually turns them into the followers of the dying god - a remnant of bellurdan skullcrusher from GoTM - a different god to the crippled god

[K'Chain Bull'shite]

Quite right, Abyss

It's been so long since I reread HoC, I had completely forgotten that bit. I still think the statues are connected to The crippled God in some way - perhaps, as someone else said, they're sacrifices?

I guess we'll find out one way or another in the last book

[Inkiper]

champ right...i've forgotten

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[champ]

Inkiper, on 16 January 2010 - 12:12 PM, said:

champ right...i've forgotten

i do all the time =D

just starting DoD on my first full reread and have a crazy theory on the jade giants etc

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in the prologue of DoD just got the idea that the jade giants are been summoned by the forkul assail to bring final justice to the earth

"a final war had begun. facing an enemy against whom no defence was possible. immune to lies, indifferent to excuses and vapid discourses on necessity, on the weighing of two evils and the facile righteousness of choosing the lesser one"

and when heboric sees into the eyes of the enemy:

"I now see with my enemy's eyes, and so shall speak with its voice.
Behold, my friends, I am justice.
And when at last we meet, you will not like it."

bringing me on to how they're doing this... by holding the "heart" of the crippled god holed up in kolanse and through this gaining the knowledge to his realm and the rift he was brought through. thats the ritual they were preparing n in the prologue, badelle i think, is talking about all the trees cut down and lay in vast circles leagues long.

thats why everyones heading that way, tavore to maybe break the crippled gods chains and release him to save the world, elders to gain this power and bring about destruction etc...

anyways wild random theory over with, enjoy!

This post has been edited by champooon: 18 January 2010 - 08:20 PM