[Barghast]

But here the problem, master doesn't know his apprentices he may look out for them and they may signal them, but how would they work out who kills who?

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 4. 15 hours and 41 minutes remaining
11 Players still alive: Alkend, Barghast, D'riss, Gamelon, Hood's Path, Kalse, Mockra, Olar Ethil, Osseric, Serc, Thyrllan

6 votes to lynch, 6 votes to go to night.

2 Votes for Alkend ( Mockra, Barghast )
1 Vote for D'riss ( Kalse )
1 Vote for Barghast ( Thyrllan )

Players not voted: Alkend, D'riss, Gamelon, Hood's Path, Olar Ethil, Osseric, Serc

[Kalse]

Barghast, on 21 January 2010 - 08:08 PM, said:

But here the problem, master doesn't know his apprentices he may look out for them and they may signal them, but how would they work out who kills who?

i'm not saying it was a coordinated "you kill one i kill the other thing"... Thats impossible unless a master and apprentice had the lover card. ( which I guess is possible). I just think its really weird that he mentioned 2 people... and both ended up dead. As you say, it couldn't be coordinated, just think it's really weird, and thought it was vote worthy. I will be around most of the day, so I can switch if needed, as per my other posts I am happy to vote for Alkend. But this "Coincidence" didn't sit right with me.

[Barghast]

What day was that post made?

[Barghast]

That comment was on day 2, silchas and kaschan died on night 3 ok that they both were killed on the same night when taken with that comment is odd but I'm willing to accept it as happy coincidence that seems to happen in mafia games.

[Gamelon]

Uh, hey PS, at post 216 you jumped from Day 2 to Day 3 and now we're on Day 4 but should still be on Day 3...

[Barghast]

Ok now that is a very curious coincidence, thanks for pointing out the mistake.

[Gamelon]

I was getting myself very confused.

[Osseric]

Caught up and have some thoughts:

We now know that someone's lynch vote will not count as it appears on thread today. That means 3 things. First, in case we manage to pick the secret vote getter, L-2 should be considered as L-1. Second, we can't wait until the last second to try to get the lynch since someone's vote is probably not going to count. We need to consider needing 2 hammers. Three, I want to know WHY someone would put in this action anyways. If scum did the 2 kills (vig holder aint talked yet) then it means an inno used it as their NA.

Ok, player thoughts:

I dont mind Bargy's fast vote. I can completely understand frustration, that's fine. It is possible it was bargy who used the mayor card, he was maybe jumping on the chance to put Alkend at 3 votes already, but the odds are rather against this.

I gotta catch the bus to work, so I'll finish my thoughts once I get there. Dont tell my boss.

[Kalse]

Ok i am out for like 6 hours. I'll be back to read up and place my final vote then. I won't be around at deadline.

[Path-Shaper]

Gamelon, on 21 January 2010 - 09:18 PM, said:

Uh, hey PS, at post 216 you jumped from Day 2 to Day 3 and now we're on Day 4 but should still be on Day 3...

Sorry, the days got messed up in Mafia Manager and so it acts like it's a day later than it currently is. I'll try to remember to edit it manually, but no promises.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 3. 13 hours and 10 minutes remaining
11 Players still alive: Alkend, Barghast, D'riss, Gamelon, Hood's Path, Kalse, Mockra, Olar Ethil, Osseric, Serc, Thyrllan

6 votes to lynch, 6 votes to go to night.

2 Votes for Alkend ( Mockra, Barghast )
1 Vote for D'riss ( Kalse )
1 Vote for Barghast ( Thyrllan )

Players not voted: Alkend, D'riss, Gamelon, Hood's Path, Olar Ethil, Osseric, Serc

[Osseric]

Ok, something else I want to put on thread.

I'm not sure judging where the scum are based on post count in relation to each other makes sense. It is one thing to challenge low posters, coasters etc, but to suspect some sort of coordination isn't likely to be fruitful. The apprentices could have some sort of plan, but speculating about it is so much wifom. And the master is going to be doing his own thing since he doesn't know who the apprentices are anyways. And if the apprentices are basing their post counts on what their master is doing, that's just getting silly IMO.

Dammit, I'm still not done typing but I've got a meeting. Be back in a few.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 4. 11 hours and 27 minutes remaining
11 Players still alive: Alkend, Barghast, D'riss, Gamelon, Hood's Path, Kalse, Mockra, Olar Ethil, Osseric, Serc, Thyrllan

6 votes to lynch, 6 votes to go to night.

2 Votes for Alkend ( Mockra, Barghast )
1 Vote for D'riss ( Kalse )
1 Vote for Barghast ( Thyrllan )

Players not voted: Alkend, D'riss, Gamelon, Hood's Path, Olar Ethil, Osseric, Serc

[Hood's Path]

See as i see it i wouldnt regard myself as a high poster at all ever, but at the moment i seem to be near the top so i would really regard anyone at the top as high posters, i would label them as middling at best as its its more BCS

other than that i have to say im agreeing with the fact that Barghast has been a bit dodgy this game, and combined with his fast vote i think he is fairly likely to be scum.
The problem is i would usually say that the idiot defending his fast vote could be symps but there seem to be too many of them so im going to have to say that i reckon if he is the master at least one of his symps is in the grou[ defending his fast vote

So as im not sure il wake up before time out

Vote Barghast

[Gamelon]

Hood, on 22 January 2010 - 03:27 AM, said:

See as i see it i wouldnt regard myself as a high poster at all ever, but at the moment i seem to be near the top so i would really regard anyone at the top as high posters, i would label them as middling at best as its its more BCS

other than that i have to say im agreeing with the fact that Barghast has been a bit dodgy this game, and combined with his fast vote i think he is fairly likely to be scum.
The problem is i would usually say that the idiot defending his fast vote could be symps but there seem to be too many of them so im going to have to say that i reckon if he is the master at least one of his symps is in the grou[ defending his fast vote

So as im not sure il wake up before time out

Vote Barghast

Well I disagree, I think it's perfectly reasonable what he did, based on the progress of the lynches so far. Enough that I will

vote Alkend

myself.

[Hood's Path]

See im not sure, throughout the game so far Barghast has been pretty iff and dodgy throughout far more so than Alkend, but whether this is because Alkend hasnt actually done anything or Barghast is scum is difficult to determine so i think il keep with Bargahast as hes actually done stuff to consider him scum as opposed to Alkend who has just done nothing at all

[Serc]

I'm back and around. I have to say Barghast's vote on Alkend is by far and away the scummiest thing I have seen all game. Which while not saying a lot, it is saying something.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 4. 8 hours and 15 minutes remaining

11 Players still alive: Alkend, Barghast, D'riss, Gamelon, Hood's Path, Kalse, Mockra, Olar Ethil, Osseric, Serc, Thyrllan

6 votes to lynch, 6 votes to go to night.

3 Votes for Alkend ( Mockra, Barghast, Gamelon )
1 Vote for D'riss ( Kalse )
2 Votes for Barghast ( Thyrllan, Hood's Path )

Players not voted: Alkend, D'riss, Olar Ethil, Osseric, Serc

[Osseric]

Part of what makes me want to give Alkend some benefit is the fact that he was without power at the beginning of the game. Not exactly his fault that he wasn't participating.

For me, Bargy is more likely scum just based on what is on thread. Whether you like his fast vote today or not, he is the most all-over-the-place of anyone.

One thing I like about this game is the fact that the people who are actively playing seem to be taking things very thoughtfully rather than just shooting from the hip. What I don't like is we still aren't exactly pushing people very actively in order to try to gauge the situation.

Someone mentioned that he's let single votes bounce off him, so I'll add a bit of extra push.

Vote Barghast