[Silk]

Edgewalker did have a hand in the ascension.... by not contesting their entrance to shadow... he was also more involved in stopping the Jhag leavin gthe Deadhouse while the ascension went on.

There was a line in the book where he knew it was going to happen, and thought that this was a chance for change..... can't remember exact quote but will try find it .. .so indirectly he was responsible

[champ]

jst decided random reread of the paragraph and just noticed this below that could give us a clue to cots location...

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Dust and ashes puffed with each step.

speculating, could he be in the imperial warren? if so, whats there, the nah'ruk? hidden doorways? has shadow every been described the same, not sure?

a part that is really annoying me and i cant remember where i've just read it, somewhere in DoD anyway i think, a geezer is talking about ST / Cots (QB maybe) and about Kallor and the imperial warren, saying something like how their learning from kallors mistakes / more to the imperial warren that what we know etc or something along these lines anyhow... but really bugging me as cant remember exactly what was said...

[Abyss]

champooon, on 25 January 2010 - 06:37 PM, said:

jst decided random reread of the paragraph and just noticed this below that could give us a clue to cots location...

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Dust and ashes puffed with each step.

speculating, could he be in the imperial warren? if so, whats there, the nah'ruk? hidden doorways? has shadow every been described the same, not sure?

there are a couple of description of parts of Meanas that are similar, plus, with Edgy being there it seems Shadow is more likely. That said, there is overlap in any number of warrens...

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a part that is really annoying me and i cant remember where i've just read it, somewhere in DoD anyway i think, a geezer is talking about ST / Cots (QB maybe) and about Kallor and the imperial warren, saying something like how their learning from kallors mistakes / more to the imperial warren that what we know etc or something along these lines anyhow... but really bugging me as cant remember exactly what was said...

I just reread this - it's early in DoD... one of the meetings between Tavore and her officers before they go speak to Tehol. I'm pretty sure it's the conversation that reveals the FA warren and ends with 'if a god had shown itself, five fists would have vied to pop him one'... someone speculates that ST and Cots are looking to wipe out all the other gods, then someone else notes that Kallor tried that and it didn's work, which leads to the response 'yeah, and Kelanved went and seized Kallor's old empire and made use of it.' and everyone else goes Oooooooo....


Btw, also early in DoD, Kila recalls a conversation she had with Osserc where they both mention being AFRAID of Edgewalker. Think about that for a minute - Osserc who fistbeats Azath into rubble and kila who skullpunches dragons, and they are afraid of Edgewalker - assume the possibility that Cots is about to throw down with Edgy... and holy fnck.

- Abyss, needs to read this.

[champ]

Abyss, on 25 January 2010 - 09:14 PM, said:

champooon, on 25 January 2010 - 06:37 PM, said:

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a part that is really annoying me and i cant remember where i've just read it, somewhere in DoD anyway i think, a geezer is talking about ST / Cots (QB maybe) and about Kallor and the imperial warren, saying something like how their learning from kallors mistakes / more to the imperial warren that what we know etc or something along these lines anyhow... but really bugging me as cant remember exactly what was said...

I just reread this - it's early in DoD... one of the meetings between Tavore and her officers before they go speak to Tehol. I'm pretty sure it's the conversation that reveals the FA warren and ends with 'if a god had shown itself, five fists would have vied to pop him one'... someone speculates that ST and Cots are looking to wipe out all the other gods, then someone else notes that Kallor tried that and it didn's work, which leads to the response 'yeah, and Kelanved went and seized Kallor's old empire and made use of it.' and everyone else goes Oooooooo....


Btw, also early in DoD, Kila recalls a conversation she had with Osserc where they both mention being AFRAID of Edgewalker. Think about that for a minute - Osserc who fistbeats Azath into rubble and kila who skullpunches dragons, and they are afraid of Edgewalker - assume the possibility that Cots is about to throw down with Edgy... and holy fnck.

- Abyss, needs to read this.

nicely done, now thats stopped bugging me thanks all come flooding back, really shouldnt read after a night out lol know i've just read things but where... hoods balls i dunno where!

gotta say, i really love the line where tavore's got them all pumped up rocky style and SE unleashes the fists sentance, quality!

reckon thats gotta be ST ultimate motive in this ploy to end up top of the pile, with magic in tact or without i dunno but i dont reckon Cots follows the same path... or maybe not that but doesnt follow the same beliefs!

one can only imagine who or what edgewalker truely is but he must be badass, considering osserc and rake normally went toe to toe and kila is a dragon stomping badass, the potential there for a mindfuck from SE is limitless, makes me wonder, theres father light and mother dark, scabandari(sp?) was said to be father shadow but to me, he seems in the group of rake and osserc, knights of their houses not ultimate kings/queens, could he be the true original father shadow before he got took out and bound to shadow?

tell you what, certainly cannot wait for the final book, the thought of cots edgy rumble and in the words of SE's son, its all going down, bring it on!


on a side note no where else really to put this but whilst rereading DoD, not sure if thought or discussed much, but the ritual that made that wastelands, i figured must of been the kchain ritual binding the otateral dragon after its fight with tiam. where the kchain reveal to kayleth(sp?) - at the bones of, i wonder, truely tiam? - "where it all is" "its here" i think are the words... and that with the binding of the OD tiam is lost until it is freed... passing thought, must also mean that with MDs return FL must also be due a return...

This post has been edited by champooon: 25 January 2010 - 09:51 PM

[champ]

jst to add edgewalker after thought ole edgey replies when asked by cots in HoC i think it is to consider him an elemental power, rings same i wud say for all the old ancient dictators ie MD n FL

[geNESis]

champooon, on 25 January 2010 - 09:49 PM, said:

.... passing thought, must also mean that with MDs return FL must also be due a return...

In DoD Yedan Derryg does tell Twilight " I have no answer to that, sister. But I think that Mother Dark and Father Light, in binding themselves to each other, in turn bound their fates. And when she turned away, so did he. He had no choice - they had become forces interwined, perfect reflections. Father Light abandoned his children and they became a people lost - and lost they remain."

This seems to support your theory that we could be in for a return of Father Light. And if Mother Dark can reside in Aranatha can't Father Light do the same. Maybe Edgewalker is Father Light, he just took possession of a body millennia ago, and while the body has degenerated his power still holds it together. Edgewalker could just be in reference to the edge or 'shore' between Light and Darkness the shake found.

[Garet Jax]

Abyss, on 21 December 2009 - 08:52 PM, said:

Graciously provided by SE and posted by Hetan, discussion may proceed in the TCG forum.

Note: technically the below is SPOILERS, so to speak. You have been warned.

- Abyss, giddy AND staggered.

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Cotillion drew two daggers. His gaze fell to the blades. The blackened iron surfaces seemed to swirl, two pewter rivers oozing across pits and gouges, the edges ragged where armour and bone had slowed their thrusts. He studied the sickly sky’s lurid reflections for a moment longer, and then said, “I have no intention of explaining a damned thing.” He looked up, eyes locking. “Do you understand me?”
The figure facing him was incapable of expression. The tatters of rotted sinew and strips of skin were motionless upon the bones of temple, cheek and jaw. The eyes held nothing, nothing at all.
Better, Cotillion decided, than jaded skepticism. Oh how he was sick of that. “Tell me,” he resumed, “what do you think you’re seeing here? Desperation? Panic? A failing of will, some inevitable decline crumbling to incompetence? Do you believe in failure, Edgewalker?”
Edgewalker remained silent for a time, and then the apparition spoke in a broken, rasping voice. “You cannot be so … audacious.”
“I asked if you believed in failure. Because I don’t.”
“Even should you succeed, Cotillion. Beyond all expectation, beyond, even, all desire. They will still speak of your failure.”
He sheathed his daggers. “And you know what they can do to themselves.”
The head cocked, strands of hair dangling and drifting. “Arrogance?”
“Competence,” Cotllion snapped in reply. “Doubt me at your peril.”
“They will not believe you.”
“I do not care, Edgewalker. This is what it is.”
When he set out, he was not surprised that the deathless guardian followed. We have done this before. Dust and ashes puffed with each step. The wind moaned as if trapped in a crypt. “Almost time, Edgewalker.”
“I know. You cannot win.”
Cotillion paused, half-turned. He smiled a ravaged smile. “That doesn’t mean I have to lose, does it?”

One thing I haven't seen anyone bring up is maybe a shaved knuckle that ST and Cotillion have yet to make use of in any real way: the First Throne. IIRC, it's still attuned to ST, but because he's ascended he can't use it. I guess it's possible that Cotillion's decided to put the power back in the hands of the mortals--thus, he's going to off ST and hand over the Fist Throne (along with every T'lan Imass, including Olar Ethil) to some mortal and hope that said mortal sets things right.

That makes sense to me in that it allows Cotillion to "set things right" but it also takes a huge measure of his own power away. I guess this would be something the other gods couldn't ever comprehend; it would be anathema to them. This also explains the above conversation quite well.

[Tarcanus]

I think the whole, "we have done this before" quote is being regarded too literally.

To me, that just refers to how Cots and ST have done the impossible before or have schemed in this manner before and he was trying to get across that they know what they're doing. I don't think the quote means that he's going to do something that they literally have done once before. That just doesn't make much sense.

[Mythodikal]

Hey there, its been a couple of years since i posted anything... I was reading through the comments about this awesome intro and there was one line that stood out to me that no one has mentioned... sorry i don't know how to do the quote thing, but this is the quote:

"The figure facing him was incapable of expression. The tatters of rotted sinew and strips of skin were motionless upon the bones of temple, cheek and jaw. The eyes held nothing, nothing at all.
Better, Cotillion decided, than jaded skepticism. Oh how he was sick of that."

The fact that SE made comment about Cots being sick of that jaded skepticism, makes me think. This comment means there are other people that know about Cots' plan, they probably don't want him to do it. Its like Cots has had an idea that has been ignored and he's finally saying screw it! Im gonna do what I think needs to be done!

I just wonder who are the ones that have rejected Cots and his plans...

[Paran]

I think this was mentioned before, but this passage seems to reflect SE's own attitude to the scepticism and comments made on the whole series, and it has always been understood that SE & ICE were Cotillion and Shadowthrone. Even if Cots is to succeed, will the world understand? Will they care? Will they recognise/acknowledge any success at all? But this theme carries on from something in DoD - can one's deeds be heroic when no one is there to see it? Can that which is unwitnessed forever change the world?


In SE we trust!

This post has been edited by Paran: 11 March 2010 - 06:48 AM

[Excellence]

Don't forget that tidbit in Reaper's Gale opening...

Between Kilmandaros and Rake. About Edgewalker being "committed" elsewhere.

That was untold thousands of years ago from "now."

What does Edgewalker do today? He made a play for the Shadow Throne, lost. The House enslaves all failed attackers. Now he walks the edges of Shadow. A sentinel.

But what was he before, when Shadow was sundered?

[haroos]

Abyss, on 21 December 2009 - 08:52 PM, said:

Graciously provided by SE and posted by Hetan, discussion may proceed in the TCG forum.

Note: technically the below is SPOILERS, so to speak. You have been warned.

- Abyss, giddy AND staggered.

-------------

Cotillion drew two daggers. His gaze fell to the blades. The blackened iron surfaces seemed to swirl, two pewter rivers oozing across pits and gouges, the edges ragged where armour and bone had slowed their thrusts. He studied the sickly sky’s lurid reflections for a moment longer, and then said, “I have no intention of explaining a damned thing.” He looked up, eyes locking. “Do you understand me?”
The figure facing him was incapable of expression. The tatters of rotted sinew and strips of skin were motionless upon the bones of temple, cheek and jaw. The eyes held nothing, nothing at all.
Better, Cotillion decided, than jaded skepticism. Oh how he was sick of that. “Tell me,” he resumed, “what do you think you’re seeing here? Desperation? Panic? A failing of will, some inevitable decline crumbling to incompetence? Do you believe in failure, Edgewalker?”
Edgewalker remained silent for a time, and then the apparition spoke in a broken, rasping voice. “You cannot be so … audacious.”
“I asked if you believed in failure. Because I don’t.”
“Even should you succeed, Cotillion. Beyond all expectation, beyond, even, all desire. They will still speak of your failure.”
He sheathed his daggers. “And you know what they can do to themselves.”
The head cocked, strands of hair dangling and drifting. “Arrogance?”
“Competence,” Cotllion snapped in reply. “Doubt me at your peril.”
“They will not believe you.”
“I do not care, Edgewalker. This is what it is.”
When he set out, he was not surprised that the deathless guardian followed. We have done this before. Dust and ashes puffed with each step. The wind moaned as if trapped in a crypt. “Almost time, Edgewalker.”
“I know. You cannot win.”
Cotillion paused, half-turned. He smiled a ravaged smile. “That doesn’t mean I have to lose, does it?”

cottilion going to sacrifice himself.

[haroos]

Excellence, on 04 July 2010 - 11:34 AM, said:

Don't forget that tidbit in Reaper's Gale opening...

Between Kilmandaros and Rake. About Edgewalker being "committed" elsewhere.

That was untold thousands of years ago from "now."

What does Edgewalker do today? He made a play for the Shadow Throne, lost. The House enslaves all failed attackers. Now he walks the edges of Shadow. A sentinel.

But what was he before, when Shadow was sundered?

how do you know all of this ?
i had a notion that he was the original god of death, lost his seat to hood.
he became the edgewalker, walking the edge of death, though, outside of it.

he is also an elder god, as he hinted at in BH.
his engagement (at the MoI prologue) could have been the jaghut war on death.

[Harvester]

haroos, on 06 July 2010 - 06:18 PM, said:

his engagement (at the MoI prologue) could have been the jaghut war on death.

Hm, what do you mean? He doesn't appear in MoI as far as I know.

[MTS]

Harvester, on 06 July 2010 - 08:32 PM, said:

haroos, on 06 July 2010 - 06:18 PM, said:

his engagement (at the MoI prologue) could have been the jaghut war on death.

Hm, what do you mean? He doesn't appear in MoI as far as I know.

He doesn't. The first we see of Edgewalker is in BH (well, chronologically speaking in NoK).

As for knowing about Edgewalker's play for Shadow, it's discussed in NoK and ROTCG. Nowhere else IIRC. Still, Edgewalker's stomping ground is Shadow, which is fairly hard to miss since half the time we see him he's talking to Cotillion.

[Meraxes]

DAMN YOU COTILLION!!!
DO. NOT. DIE.....I FORBID THEE!!!!!

[haroos]

MTS, on 06 July 2010 - 11:27 PM, said:

Harvester, on 06 July 2010 - 08:32 PM, said:

haroos, on 06 July 2010 - 06:18 PM, said:

his engagement (at the MoI prologue) could have been the jaghut war on death.

Hm, what do you mean? He doesn't appear in MoI as far as I know.

He doesn't. The first we see of Edgewalker is in BH (well, chronologically speaking in NoK).

As for knowing about Edgewalker's play for Shadow, it's discussed in NoK and ROTCG. Nowhere else IIRC. Still, Edgewalker's stomping ground is Shadow, which is fairly hard to miss since half the time we see him he's talking to Cotillion.

i meant the mention of his engagement.
in the prologue of rg or bh, don't remember.

as for his being in shadow, i think we barely have several scenes with the pair, it's not like we see more than glimpses, we can't know
where he goes.
although i have not read NoK, so i can;'t argue with you on that.

[Harvester]

In NoK we see him guarding Shadow and kicking trespassers out.

[eiji]

Please dont tell me there are people out there who actually believe COT is going to do the Shitty on ST. Its unthinkable its unacceptable its never going to happen. they created a mortal empire that became the most effecient of its time. The Only place they might of struggled is Assail.

Since godhood they have manipilated, aquired thrones opened more doors to the azath, and basicly hacve their hands in every pot. They are the busiest mofos going. It started with them two it will end with them two. SE likes his buddies Iccy n Mappo, Quick n Kalam, Fid n Hedge, Picker n Blend. Do I need to go on

Pust and MULE

[MTS]

Thread necro!

Was flipping through NoK earlier looking up some scenes with Edgewalker, and came across this:

Oleg said:

Tell him Kellanved plans to lose all in order to gain everything. I can foresee now that his victory will be sealed by his defeat.

Coupled with both of Cotillion's 'we have done this before' comments, could be they are doing something similar to what they did the night of the Shadow Moon when they ascended. Maybe getting ousted from Shadow (so it can heal) and, I dunno where they would go from there really, but it must be pretty huge. I'm still struggling to reconcile the new warrens' role in all this, and how K'rul is this war's 'prize'.

Argh, the suspense is maddening. This book can't get here fast enough.

This post has been edited by MTS: 01 February 2011 - 11:12 AM