[D'riss]

Barghast, on 10 December 2009 - 05:04 AM, said:

Doing a full reread (or at least attempting one) and this early post by Driss struck me as odd. It was stated clearly in the sign up that there were essentially no unroled players, so pointing out that the Bride needs to kill the "roled innocents" does make it look like he is not on team inno. Even had he not thouroughly read the sign up, reading his own role PM should have clued him in to that if he was inno.

D, on 08 December 2009 - 06:42 AM, said:

Wow, I have forgotten so much of what happens in the movies. Thank you wiki!

I doubt the Bride's faction will be larger than three people, since she basically has to kill the 'roled innocents' and the serial killer, not gain numerical advantage. So more likely a small, hard to kill faction.

Got work to do, be on again later.

Not voting on this yet, as I still have a ways to go before my reread is done and I would like another look at the Galayn Lord/Tellan interaction I mentioned yesterday.

And, can everyone stop talking about Mockra's plan? Whether it is people telling him it is idiotic or him telling others they are idiotic for still talking about it, the ongoing accusations of idiocy have taken up far too much of the thread IMO. I am unconvinced he is scum for suggesting it nor that Fener is for his comments (or for not actually revealing as the assassin), and so we have much of the days talk centred around things that give little other information.

Sorry, I should have made it clear I was talking about the situation in terms of a regular game, hence the quotation marks around roled innocents. I know all the innocents are roled, the Vipers must therefore be more roled and would be the equivalent of the roled innos in a game with RIs.

[D'riss]

I'm not sure who to vote for either, but I should be around till the end of the day. Some reasonable points raised about Tellan and I dont really like Mockra's defense either, but I'm not sure if either of those are voteworthy. Need to mull things over a little while I do some work, be back later.

[Mockra]

@ D'riss


My defense of what? I'm still not sure what Tellan (or you) are referring to.

The only thing that could possibly qualify as something I've defended is my reason for voting Fener.

[Barghast]

D, on 10 December 2009 - 06:51 AM, said:

Barghast, on 10 December 2009 - 05:04 AM, said:

Doing a full reread (or at least attempting one) and this early post by Driss struck me as odd. It was stated clearly in the sign up that there were essentially no unroled players, so pointing out that the Bride needs to kill the "roled innocents" does make it look like he is not on team inno. Even had he not thouroughly read the sign up, reading his own role PM should have clued him in to that if he was inno.

D, on 08 December 2009 - 06:42 AM, said:

Wow, I have forgotten so much of what happens in the movies. Thank you wiki!

I doubt the Bride's faction will be larger than three people, since she basically has to kill the 'roled innocents' and the serial killer, not gain numerical advantage. So more likely a small, hard to kill faction.

Got work to do, be on again later.

Not voting on this yet, as I still have a ways to go before my reread is done and I would like another look at the Galayn Lord/Tellan interaction I mentioned yesterday.

And, can everyone stop talking about Mockra's plan? Whether it is people telling him it is idiotic or him telling others they are idiotic for still talking about it, the ongoing accusations of idiocy have taken up far too much of the thread IMO. I am unconvinced he is scum for suggesting it nor that Fener is for his comments (or for not actually revealing as the assassin), and so we have much of the days talk centred around things that give little other information.

Sorry, I should have made it clear I was talking about the situation in terms of a regular game, hence the quotation marks around roled innocents. I know all the innocents are roled, the Vipers must therefore be more roled and would be the equivalent of the roled innos in a game with RIs.

I figured as much, both then and later, which is why I ended up placing the vote on Tellan instead. Probably should have added as much when I did voted Tellan, but I was in a rush.

Anyway, I am off for the night and happy with where my vote is. I doubt I will be back on before the lynch.

[D'riss]

Mockra, on 10 December 2009 - 07:14 AM, said:

@ D'riss


My defense of what? I'm still not sure what Tellan (or you) are referring to.

The only thing that could possibly qualify as something I've defended is my reason for voting Fener.

Well the fact that you put forward the plan in the first place. The ensuing confusion and arguments is exactly the sort of thing a symp aims to do and your defense of your action is "I was trying to catch someone out", which seems a little weak.

[Korbas]

Vote Tellan

Because he has been a hotbed of activity for two days, and there is no way to make certain he wasn't doing what he did on day 1 deliberately.
I re-read part of the exchange and whether he thought he smelled scum blood or not and pushed on in the heat of the moment, he definately went too far and it is going to affect him badly for the remainder of the game.

One thing to Mockra before I will hold my horses on the subject: you admit you submitted a non-sensical plan to gauge reactions and pump for info. Fine, good idea. But, how do you expect to get serious info from something everyone should laugh away/point out the flaws, and does laugh away/ point out the flaws in?If the plan made sense, the reactions would have concentrated on the content and people may have revealed stuff. Now, you just get a gazillion disparaging comments from which nothing can be gleaned.

That's all on that subject.

This post has been edited by Korbas: 10 December 2009 - 09:16 AM

[Korbas]

Anyone want to post something? More quiet than a morgue, this. Dammit, it seems when offered the chance, people just prefer strategical lurking.
Member name Posts
Korbas 67
Kalse 45
Spite 44
Path-Shaper 38
Mockra 30
Olar Ethil 28
Tellan 27
Sorrit 27
Fener 26
Barghast 22
Karatallid 21
Liosan 20
Galayn Lord 19
Rashan 15
Shadow 15
D'riss 14
Hood's Path 10
Eloth 9
Alkend 9

I'm sorely tempted to go and play 'lynch the low poster' just because they don't have to fear a modkill this game. What is holding me back is the knowledge that certain lowposters still contribute (more power to them, I've been there myself), and that I need a re-read of their posts before making a decision on who.

This post has been edited by Korbas: 10 December 2009 - 11:58 AM

[Mockra]

I remember at least one person in the sign-up saying they weren't going to be able to contribute much. Not that that means they didn't draw scum in their inbox.

Funny, I'm not usually one to be a top poster, but I guess I thrust myself into the limelight...

[Korbas]

Aye, Dinivan and Obdi (I think) announced they wouldn't be here much.That's fine, but in 12 hours we've got what, 1 whole page? That's not a lot of activity, and I hate talking to myself only.

[Mockra]

I could come up with another plan.

[Alkend]

Ok im here briefly before ive got more work. Right now im not actually sure at all. Mockras ranting seems to be way out of proportion to what was actually said against him and the whole idea of making that plan just to fish for reactions is a bit laughable but im not too sure hes scum right now.
As i think we might be running out of time right now il probably vote for Telann because on day one i didnt like his pushing for Spite to reveal and today some of the cases against him are definitely making sense to me so before i go
Vote Telann

[Liosan]

Here for a couple of hours.

May do a quick read through to see if anything stands out as I don't really have a prime suspect right now.

[Karatallid]

By my count we'e got around an hour left. I doubt we can pull off the lynch but

Remove vote
Vote Tellan

Because I dont think he is a viper. I'll be working most of today, but will be around after that.

[Karatallid]

Also - with my vote that takes Tellan to six. Also I really feel like Tellan has been rail roaded by Mockra and Barghast - But there is nothing to be done about that, unless we want to miss the lynch.

[Liosan]

I feel that the case on Tellan isn't very strong as it's just based on the fact he has been more vocal than most, but he was responsible for causing a viper to reveal. In addition, I believe Tellan was being rather obstinate about Spite's vote on Korbas, which to me is a classic throw a net out see what it catches post:

Spite, on 08 December 2009 - 02:16 PM, said:

Korbas, on 08 December 2009 - 12:13 PM, said:

I dislike how people speak of priorities, as if we have the luxury of choice.

After all, finder and CF results excepted, there is no way of knowing the alignment of whomever you target/ lynch.

Moreover, taking out the Assassin before we take out The Bride will from there on roughly halve the chances that a kill targets one of the Vipers, assuming The Bride and Assassin are capable of 1 NK each, thus buying more time for us to also get rid of The Bride.

In the quite frankly unlikely instance where we have the luxury of knowing the identity of both, of course we should lynch The Bride first, but up until then, I wouldn't pass up on the opportunity to get rid of the Assassin as well.

edit: adding the Enters I had there in the first place. The boards upgrade seems to mess with a whole lot of things

so you dislike how we talk about priorities when your happy to discuss how things will be when the assassin is taken out? Why not the bride first? As if anyone is going to go - oh wait we know the assassin lets leave them alone for a while. They are all scum.

vote korbas

i think you are the bride.

Anyone reading that and repeatedly claiming Spite's only reason for voting Korbas is because he's the bride is being intentionally blinkered in my view.

I am not against voting Tellan, but for now I will hold my vote.

[Hood's Path]

In my view some one scum at the bottom of the posting and another right at the top.

I always find it funny that when a player puts up a list of all the posts, it seems like the next post is from the lowest poster, and it semi serious with a vote added on the end to make it look like the player contributing. I know it meta. But it would also be entirely meta if I vote gay lord, as I have bad memories of that alt.

Now to the dead horse.

Mockra really needs to tighten up his plans, as the holes were so big that a death star could fly through them.

Point 1) Stupid plan that is so based on so many assumptions it can't work

Point 2) He said it was a fishing operation, then that was the worst bloody bait, cause all we have is everyone pointing out the wholes in the plan, the only info we got is that you can be idiotic and that everyone saw it and commented on it.

Thus you're entire argument is weak as hell, a viper wouldn't draw the limelight in such a fashion in my opinion. The assasin I think wouldn't also.

The question becomes are you RI or part of the bride faction. For such a plan to work you need to know intimate knowledge of what happens when someone does a spite. The only people I assume who would be intimate of that knowledge is Spite as he now in SH, the mods and the bride, but that an assumption. But it wouldn't be the first time someone says something due to knowledge they have on hand and accidently reveal it. It easily done, as I should know.

Also I don't see where Fener says one of the vipers is the assasin, you then suggest Bill as the assasin, why would Bill go against his own brother that would go against everything stated in the films, Ok it a mafia game but that doesn't make sense to me.

Now to Sorrit

Can you explain apart from mafia parnoria why you suspect there may be a FM. Not just lack of kill last night, I want you to name a Kill Bill character that could work as FM?

[D'riss]

Egh, busy afternoon. At least other people have been on a little.

I think we need about nine votes for a lynch and with so little time left I think I'm going to add my vote to the Tellan train. Obviously it would be nice if there were stronger cases, but as Karat says there isnt really any other choice today and nothing he's said or done has convinced me he's inno at least.

vote Tellan

HP, why are you bringing all of that stuff up again?

[Liosan]

How about the case on Tellan HP?

[Eloth]

Sorry I haven't been around all, super busy unfortunately at work and couldn't do anything. Will go read up now what i've missed.

[Liosan]

Maybe his post got delayed like 5-10 hours .

Hmmm on the balance, I think I am going to

Vote Tellann

Since he is the only viable lynch and I am not convinced about his motivations when he was arguing with Spite (though contrary to most people, I see no evidence he was pushing for a reveal. Seemed something Spite was very keen to do, whether or not he was in a shouting match)