[Kalse]

besides Fener is kinda justified in being mad about people putting words in his mouth of claiming assassin is a viper. I can see whree that was gotten from but i can even more easily see he didnt mean it that way and its dumb to be still hounding him on that when its easier to interpret his words the other way!

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 2. 15 hours and 54 minutes remain.

17 players still alive: Alkend, Barghast, D'riss, Eloth, Fener, Galayn Lord, Hood's Path, Kalse, Karatallid, Korbas, Liosan, Mockra, Olar Ethil, Rashan, Shadow, Sorrit, Tellan

9 votes are required to lynch.

2 Votes Fener (Mockra, Eloth)
1 Vote Liosan (Galayn Lord)
1 Vote Sorrit (Shadow)
2 Votes Barghast (Tellan, Karatallid)

Not voted: Alkend, Barghast, D'riss, Fener, Hood's Path, Kalse, Korbas, Liosan, Olar Ethil, Rashan, Sorrit

---

Tick. Tock. Tick. Tock. Tick. Tock.
Bill stared out the window of his hacienda, sighing to himself. The news had reached him that O-Ren had been brutally executed the previous day after making a bit of a scene. It struck him a bit painfully, knowing how good O-Ren used to be at her work.

Of course, she was mostly self-trained. It wasn't as if he had lost some prized investment to an unfortunate crash in the market. It was a small buy of a blue-chip stock, at best. Still, he couldn't help but be frustrated at how quickly redacted had gotten back on her feet. No doubt, care would be required.

Elsewhere around the world, redacted was just getting up, a renewed sense of purpose flowing through her with O-Ren's quick demise.

They will pay, redacted thought, in an internal voice so loud is almost escaped her lips. They. Will. Pay.

Dong. Dong. Dong. Dong.

Bill glanced up at the clock. The day was halfway over.

He closed the drapes.

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 09 December 2009 - 10:30 PM

[Korbas]

Nice scene there, P-S.

[Kalse]

that was weird...

im assuming redacted = the bride. why not just say that?! paranoiaparanoiaparanoiaaahhhhhh

[Korbas]

Kalse, on 09 December 2009 - 10:38 PM, said:

that was weird...

im assuming redacted = the bride. why not just say that?! paranoiaparanoiaparanoiaaahhhhhh

Her name is BEEPed in some parts in the movies, too.

[Liosan]

In business and law, a document can have certain parts "redacted", meaning sensitive names and details were removed for various reasons.

According to wiki. I would guess The bride's real name is too sensitive to be revealed.

[Kalse]

oh, well that makes me a feel a bit better

[Kalse]

that scene should have had the earth shaking since it happened almost at the same time as the forums moving around

[Korbas]

I'm going to bed. Should be back to make a contribution tomorrow before lynch deadline.

[Mockra]

@Korbas, I'm through trying to explain the feners-reaction-to-the-plan. If you can't figure it out from what I and Eloth have said, then you're not going to figure it out.

I can absolutely see how Fener's comment is open to interpretation. So fine, I'll leave it be.


As for Rashan's case on Barghast, vote away if you want. I couldn't care less. However, your claim that me testing my theory would somehow be rigged by my being the bride's symp makes no sense whatsoever. Again, the only way that could work out for the bride would be if everyone suddenly revealed all at once. The whole idea was to test if revealing viper led to a path-shaper auto-kill.

But Rashan, let's take your idiot idea to its idiot conclusion:
Say I was the symp and barghast was the bride. If I say "i'm elle" and she kills me, she'd have to kill everyone else as they reveal in order to keep it going. That would achieve the whole idea of the plan anyways, which would be that only the vipers and the bride and assassin would be left.
If I say "i'm elle" and she doesn't kill me, then there would be NO REASON for anyone else to fake reveal, since my idea would be proven wrong in one go.

Now, cue the people who will say "LOOK, HE'S STILL GOING ON ABOUT HIS PLAN" to which I preemptively say: "You're an idiot."

[Mockra]

To be honest, I wouldn't be surprised if one of the sycophants echoing the "mockra's plan is dumb" line is scum, since that's an easy throw away chance to be seen as participating.

[Tellan]

Ok, day is gonna time out at a really bad time for me, just a couple of hours before I get home.

I won't be able to get on for deadline, and have to go soon.

I'm happy with my vote on Barghast.

I don't like Mockras defence which is basically "It doesn't matter that my plan made no sense because look what fener said in reply."

It seems he's trying to justify making an illogical plan(and also seems to be claiming to "I was fishing for reactions" defence which I've already stated my dislike for) by the fact someone reacted in a way that didn't agree with his scenario.

Firstly, the reaciton fishing defence:

The point is NOT the plan. - Here we have him saying the plan was not genuine, and since he didn't actually mean it, it's not scummy.

The point is Fener's reaction to it. -Focus on that, not me. Moves the focus away form himself onto fener.

Rather than pointing out the obvious faults, (which you morons keep doing over and over) -Right so you're saying we shouldn't point out the obvious flaws(and the fact he acknowledges them, implies they are deliberate-a ploy, and thus not scummy)

he reacts to it in a manner that suggests he knows more about the assassin and/or bride than us normal peons. -Again, drawing attention to fener. Because it is scummy of fener to not point out the obvious flaws like all the other morons, and he hints at having extra information.

It is basically justifying his play simply as a ploy, and I dislike poeple claiming the reaction fishing defence. After all, he states himself the faults were obvious. So why try it, who would fall for it? The plan is also potentially harmful.

Of course, if feners comments were truly hinting at him having extra knowledge, it could still be something-someone could have fallen for it. The plan was bad, but could still potentially trap someone so we need to look at that:

Fener, on 09 December 2009 - 06:56 AM, said:

And in the process giving the Assassin a free ride? What do we do about that? Plus revealing thusly will *also* light up the entire Viper faction for the Assassin and Bride to wipe out. AND the Bride can probably hide in the reveals too. Don't think that's gonna work, tbh.

Now, the first sentence is what Mockra has focused on, the fact that Fener thinks it gives the Assassin a free ride, which, in mockras scenario, it would not.

However, these two sentences:

"Plus revealing thusly will *also* light up the entire Viper faction for the Assassin and Bride to wipe out."

To me implythat fener didn't understand Mockras meaning. Because yes it would light up the vipers, but the vipers would be able to lynch them, so it seems he has misunderstood the plan.

"AND the Bride can probably hide in the reveals too."

This one gave me the stronger feeling he had got the wrong end of the stick somewhere. The idea of the reveals being that everyone but the vipers kill themselves and the Vipers, assuming they know each other, thus know who the bride and assassin are, and win. However, "The bride can probably hide in the reveals" seems to sugges that he isn't getting that, because there is no way the bride could hide in the reveals which killed the pople revealing by bride excecution, when fitting in would mean dying.

So, I dislike mockras defence, which is basically just an attack on Fener. The attack on fener kind of doesn't work for me cause it seems like fener just doesn't understand the plan, rather than having outside information.

I think of the two, mockra is more likely scum. I dislike his defence. People do reaction fish, but it just seems such an easy fall-back defence, and I dislike the re-direction of focus inherent in it-as well as his latest post which does similarly, pointing to anyone attacking him as potential scum. Feners post doesn't make sense(not just where mockra points out, but throughout) which kind of suggests to me he just didn't understand mockras plan. However, I think barghast is more likely than either of them.

[Tellan]

Mockra, on 10 December 2009 - 12:20 AM, said:

@Korbas, I'm through trying to explain the feners-reaction-to-the-plan. If you can't figure it out from what I and Eloth have said, then you're not going to figure it out.

I can absolutely see how Fener's comment is open to interpretation. So fine, I'll leave it be.


As for Rashan's case on Barghast, vote away if you want. I couldn't care less. However, your claim that me testing my theory would somehow be rigged by my being the bride's symp makes no sense whatsoever. Again, the only way that could work out for the bride would be if everyone suddenly revealed all at once. The whole idea was to test if revealing viper led to a path-shaper auto-kill.

But Rashan, let's take your idiot idea to its idiot conclusion:
Say I was the symp and barghast was the bride. If I say "i'm elle" and she kills me, she'd have to kill everyone else as they reveal in order to keep it going. That would achieve the whole idea of the plan anyways, which would be that only the vipers and the bride and assassin would be left.
If I say "i'm elle" and she doesn't kill me, then there would be NO REASON for anyone else to fake reveal, since my idea would be proven wrong in one go.

Now, cue the people who will say "LOOK, HE'S STILL GOING ON ABOUT HIS PLAN" to which I preemptively say: "You're an idiot."

Mockra does make a fiar point about the symp thing. The only situation I can see it is if he knows, or is willing to gamble, that the vipers don't know each other. Which seems rather too risky so early.

Anyway, I g2g.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 2. 13 hours and 44 minutes remain.

17 players still alive: Alkend, Barghast, D'riss, Eloth, Fener, Galayn Lord, Hood's Path, Kalse, Karatallid, Korbas, Liosan, Mockra, Olar Ethil, Rashan, Shadow, Sorrit, Tellan

9 votes are required to lynch.

2 Votes Fener (Mockra, Eloth)
1 Vote Liosan (Galayn Lord)
1 Vote Sorrit (Shadow)
2 Votes Barghast (Tellan, Karatallid)

Not voted: Alkend, Barghast, D'riss, Fener, Hood's Path, Kalse, Korbas, Liosan, Olar Ethil, Rashan, Sorrit

---

Heading home from work soon, so coverage will probably be spotty for a while.

[Mockra]

lol


So now I'm scum? Because I say I was fishing for a reaction? What the hell were you doing all day yesterday with Spite then, Tellan? Or do you get into pissing matches because they DONT ellicit reactions? I think you're denying what you yourself did, while laying that blame at my feet. Hell, I wasn't even aware I was defending MYSELF. You made that up out of thin air. I was explaining why I voted Fener.

I'll give benefit of the doubt to Fener, since it is entirely plausible he merely misread/misintepreted.

However, Tellan strikes me as willfully ignorant in that post above.

Remove Vote

Vote Tellan

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 2. 13 hours and 35 minutes remain.

17 players still alive: Alkend, Barghast, D'riss, Eloth, Fener, Galayn Lord, Hood's Path, Kalse, Karatallid, Korbas, Liosan, Mockra, Olar Ethil, Rashan, Shadow, Sorrit, Tellan

9 votes are required to lynch.

1 Vote Fener (Eloth)
1 Vote Liosan (Galayn Lord)
1 Vote Sorrit (Shadow)
2 Votes Barghast (Tellan, Karatallid)
1 Vote Tellan (Mockra)

Not voted: Alkend, Barghast, D'riss, Fener, Hood's Path, Kalse, Korbas, Liosan, Olar Ethil, Rashan, Sorrit

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 10 December 2009 - 12:48 AM

[Mockra]

Tellan, on 10 December 2009 - 12:34 AM, said:

So, I dislike mockras defence, which is basically just an attack on Fener. The attack on fener kind of doesn't work for me cause it seems like fener just doesn't understand the plan, rather than having outside information.

I love this. Tellan has managed to imply that I was defending myself, and was actually shifting focus to Fener.

There was never any focus on me at all, so calling it a "defence" is a falsehood. There was no shifting of focus to Fener, since the entire thing was just me making a case based on Fener's reply. Whether you believe the case is good or not is up to you, but Tellan, you're the first to actually say that I might be scum who is "defending myself".

[Barghast]

Tellan, on 09 December 2009 - 04:33 PM, said:

Barghast, on 09 December 2009 - 02:37 AM, said:

I see we've already greatly lessened our chances of winning. Good job guys. Both one of the Bride's targets and a likely roled character down before the day one lynch.

Can't say I like this post.

Barghast conviniently avoids the argument at the time, and then comes in righteously after the fact.

It's a post that looks designed to make himself look more innocent by coming in agressively on spites death after the event, a safe position after we know he's a viper.

It does't contribute in any way whatsoever as it's just attacking those who were actually contributing at the time, after he's knows that spite was a viper, it doesn't advance the game at all, it just serves to make him look better.

vote barghast

Conviniently avoiding the argument = not having internet access at work right now, nothing more or less than that.

That post, much like this one, was made in a brief stop on the forums, hence there was no time for long rambling ons or dissections of events. Reading the post before it might have made that clear.

Anyway, as this is only a brief stop here, I am off for a bit. I will be back on later.

[Olar Ethil]

ahem

you know, there's only 4 vipers left.
the Bride is said to have "allies"

Mockra's plan would leave the Bride and her allies vs. weakened vipers, and the assassin.

even more reasons why it's faulty.

I don't have time right now to look at whetehr or not he was symping Bargy, but just suggesting such a plan, that's based around a mass suicide revealorgy screams scum.

anyhow, I've got footy, abck in a few hours.

[Kalse]

Olar Ethil, on 10 December 2009 - 02:56 AM, said:

ahem

you know, there's only 4 vipers left.
the Bride is said to have "allies"

Mockra's plan would leave the Bride and her allies vs. weakened vipers, and the assassin.

even more reasons why it's faulty.

I don't have time right now to look at whetehr or not he was symping Bargy, but just suggesting such a plan, that's based around a mass suicide revealorgy screams scum.

anyhow, I've got footy, abck in a few hours.

3 vipers left olar pay attention dammit