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Posted 08 March 2010 - 05:50 AM

Just skipping back into this thread:

View PostBinder of Demons, on 11 December 2009 - 05:02 PM, said:

I have 3 more names which could be added to the list.
Andarist, since we saw how formidable he was despite his extreme age, and how badly he had been injured. Since he was also wielding Vengence/Grief we know he was a swordsman of singular will. Adding in his bloodline, I think he would have been certainly of a level similar (or perhaps even higher than) Silchas, which I personally would put higher than Kallor.


No, Andarist is not a swordsman of singular will, otherwise he would not have lost. Hence his will was not equal to the task, and so he is not the equivalent of the sword's previous wielder before he 'traded up'.

View PostKoko187, on 11 December 2009 - 05:23 PM, said:

I agree with Ulrik about the Avowed. Some of them certainly have the skill needed to get on the list... In RotCG it is mentionet several times that Skinner fought with Dassem to a standstill. Though we don't know the circumstances, I think we should rank Skinner at least third.
I haven't finished RotCG yet, so please correct me if there is something in the end of the book to prove Skinner to be a much lousier swordsman than I believe. And what of Kyle?


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Kyle...he is nothing on this list. Perhaps ICE just did a poor job of showing his skill, but I was under the distinct impression that the only reason he was any good at any time was right near the end due to 'his' sword cutting through everyone's shields and weapons. That's not skill, that's equipment.

Though I do agree about Osseric/Osserc/Serc and Draconus being ON the list, placing them is harder.
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Posted 08 March 2010 - 06:18 AM

I'm thinking probably Karsa, but don't forget anyone who holds the "bell-handeld sword" if you get killed you come back better than whoever it was that killed you. If you can hold on long enough eventually you become the best swordsman ever, if you can withstand dying thousands of times that is.
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Posted 08 March 2010 - 06:28 AM

Rhulad's sword is an interesting one. The question is: If he fought Rake, and got stabbed with Dragnipur, would he be able to come back? Does he get stuck in Dragnipur or go to the CG's island? Hrm...
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Posted 09 March 2010 - 04:05 AM

View PostSilencer, on 08 March 2010 - 06:28 AM, said:

Rhulad's sword is an interesting one. The question is: If he fought Rake, and got stabbed with Dragnipur, would he be able to come back? Does he get stuck in Dragnipur or go to the CG's island? Hrm...


maybe the CG would appear in the sword?
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Posted 09 March 2010 - 01:52 PM

View Postblanketman2.0, on 09 March 2010 - 04:05 AM, said:

View PostSilencer, on 08 March 2010 - 06:28 AM, said:

Rhulad's sword is an interesting one. The question is: If he fought Rake, and got stabbed with Dragnipur, would he be able to come back? Does he get stuck in Dragnipur or go to the CG's island? Hrm...


maybe the CG would appear in the sword?


What exactly do you mean by that? That he will be the one chained in Dragnipur or that he will appear in front of the one that was slain with it?

Ok doesn't matter either way cause I don't think that either one is possible. If old Chainy could have been Dragnipured then they would have probably done it before to get rid of him instead of chaining him to Burn. On the other hand Chainy isn't very flexible as to where he wants to move and he isn't very powerful outside of his tent, so I guess freeing his "minion" from Dragnipur would not be possible for him.

I think if the wielder of the sword got killed by Dragnipur he would be chained as everybody else...
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Posted 01 April 2010 - 08:21 AM

Well, since this is all opinion and conjecture...

Pure swordman: Brys Beddict. Having fenced for 11 years, what Brys did was surgical precision, not brute force.

Best defence: Trull Sengar. If not for equipment failure, who knows how long he would have stood up to Icarium or Silichus.

Unstoppable force: Karsa Orlang/Icarium and possibly the Keeper.

Best Knives: Apsalar...I love Kalam but...

Top Ascendent: Anomander Rake, even without the sword. :D

Now, I am only on Toll the Hounds (just started) and haven't read Return of the Jedi...ahem, I mean Crimson Guard, so there are some gaps in my knowledge, so this is based on what I have read so far.

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Posted 03 August 2010 - 02:49 PM

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Anomander is by far the best sword weilder he only gets beaten by letting dassem hit his sword into his face so he could enter dragnipur and bring about mother darks return.
Dassem is definatly second place however with the others its too close to call and id liek SE to write more about the seguleh before ranking them because they seem formidable but nothing is really known its mainly speculation. Also i dont think anyone has mention trakes mortal sword gruntle, hes fairly formidable with swords aswell
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Posted 03 August 2010 - 03:48 PM

View PostGrayghost, on 01 April 2010 - 08:21 AM, said:

Well, since this is all opinion and conjecture...

Pure swordman: Brys Beddict. Having fenced for 11 years, what Brys did was surgical precision, not brute force.

Best defence: Trull Sengar. If not for equipment failure, who knows how long he would have stood up to Icarium or Silichus.

Unstoppable force: Karsa Orlang/Icarium and possibly the Keeper.

Best Knives: Apsalar...I love Kalam but...

Top Ascendent: Anomander Rake, even without the sword. :p

Now, I am only on Toll the Hounds (just started) and haven't read Return of the Jedi...ahem, I mean Crimson Guard, so there are some gaps in my knowledge, so this is based on what I have read so far.

Only my opinion. :p




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Posted 04 August 2010 - 09:30 PM

The finest swordman i would say is rake closely followed by dassem and the segulah first.
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Posted 05 August 2010 - 06:29 AM

Do we know who the Seguleh First is or do we know anything about who he's fought? I'm due for a re-read soon, so I'll keep an eye out, but...
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Posted 05 August 2010 - 07:42 AM

View PostCable, on 05 August 2010 - 06:29 AM, said:

Do we know who the Seguleh First is or do we know anything about who he's fought? I'm due for a re-read soon, so I'll keep an eye out, but...
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Posted 05 August 2010 - 08:15 AM

Yes,

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Posted 05 August 2010 - 09:10 PM

View PostSilencer, on 05 August 2010 - 08:15 AM, said:

Yes,

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Helps that Rake can "win" by grazing his opponent whereas his opponent has to inflict actual damage while avoiding getting touched by Dragnipur.
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Posted 06 August 2010 - 07:13 AM

To be fair, I honestly
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Posted 07 August 2010 - 01:59 PM

It's impossible to know for sure who is the best, but that list definitely sounds right. I don't think Icarium should be on it though. Icarium isn't so much a swordman but more of a weapon of mass destruction and I don't think anyone in the Malazan world could take him if he's fully enraged.

Also, there's no way to know how good the Seguleh Second and First are. The First might just be the most badass swordmaster in the book. I'm sure Assail's population has some mean swordsmen as well.

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Posted 07 August 2010 - 11:12 PM

I disagree in regards to Icarium, he has showed great skill over the series.

I'm not sure he is the equal of Rake/Segulueh 1st but he is right there with Karsa and while his rage is a deciding factor I think you have to remember that when enraged he also shows a lack of intelligence..

Meaning he could be even deadlier if he was calm and relaxed as opposed to trying to shatter everything in his path


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To be fair, I honestly
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I disagree, we have seen top level characters get past another's guard without delivering a killing blow.


Having a weapon that kills upon touch is a HUGE advantage that would drastically alter every battle/fight
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Posted 07 August 2010 - 11:43 PM

Let us not forget the Watch, Yeddan Derryg. In DoD, he reminded me of the flashback of Silchas and the Forkrul in MT.
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Posted 08 August 2010 - 04:17 AM

"Also i dont think anyone has mention trakes mortal sword gruntle, hes fairly formidable with swords aswell "

I would also second him for the list seeing how he can survive MoI and that is a rare feat, Trull should get some more love on the list too. But at the level we're talking about under the top 4 or 5 it's almost about luck as it is skill because they would be so closely matched imo.

Rake
DU/Osserc
Skinner
1st/Mok
Brys

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Posted 19 August 2010 - 03:26 PM

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I think my list would be:

Dassem
Rake
Karsa
Kallor
Brys
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Posted 20 August 2010 - 08:09 PM

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