[Ruse]

Anothre thing we have to consider: Meanas's Leader might have another recruit. So in Going after Yuan Shu ( which I think we need to do) we are indirectly giving Meanas' team a possible leg up. But I don't see a way around this.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 5. 36 hours and 23 minutes remaining
9 Players still alive: Galayn Lord, Korbas, Meanas, Omtose, Ruse, Spite, Sukul Ankhadu, Telas, Tulas Shorn

5 votes to lynch, 5 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Spite ( Sukul Ankhadu )

Players not voted: Galayn Lord, Korbas, Meanas, Omtose, Ruse, Spite, Telas, Tulas Shorn

[Telas]

Ok finally managed my reread of yesterday, and i have to say all of Meanas' lies are definitely making me want to get rid of him but his actions do seem to be more along the lines of sowing confusion like a symp would and getting too much attention for me to think he's a leader. Although he could be trying to seem like a symp to hide the fact that he's a leader but i doubt this.

At the moment im still suspicious of Spite for the same reasons ive been saying all game and would gladly go for him on the possibility he could be Yuan Shu.

So for now il

Vote Spite

as i think he could be a leader, but im definitely happy go for Meanas as im pretty sure he isnt on my team so is an enemy at the moment.

[Korbas]

 Ruse, on 16 February 2010 - 07:28 PM, said:

Anothre thing we have to consider: Meanas's Leader might have another recruit. So in Going after Yuan Shu ( which I think we need to do) we are indirectly giving Meanas' team a possible leg up. But I don't see a way around this.

Well, if both teams have a team of 3 players(which is WCS), then regardless of which we lynch, if the other manages a recruit tonight they will be unlynhcable tommorow, and the only way they could lose would be by failing a recruit or by having one of their recruits recruited away from them.

[Meanas]

Back from all of my meetings. Sadly, this entire week is full of them so my posting will be heavily erratic during my day time.

Honestly, I'm not sure what to make of the Spite case right now. We have two people voting him, and ZERO discussion about other potential lynch targets, other than me, and everyone is just offering the, "Curse you sneaky Meanas, I wish I could vote you but it makes more sense to not do so!" line.

I would think the LEAST likely person I could be in this game is Yuan Shu because I basically outed Liosan, his symp, for no reason whatsoever. Keep in mind that vocal player does not necessarily mean good at night actions. We all know this game was about lucky Night 1 actions. If you were in the ~1/3 of people that got it right, you're probably in good shape for the majority of the game. Think how easy it is for the high-ranked guard to just guard the same person every night. It's a free army every time, and you're guaranteed to pretty much be immune to every action. If the guard is on Yuan Shu's team, then he's got it made.

Telas showing up on the heels of Sukul to vote makes me immediately suspicious, although I was already suspicious of both.

[Meanas]

Ultimately, I have to consider how likely it is that Spite is Yuan Shu when nobody else is being offered a case alternative. If Spite really were Yuan Shu, I would heavily expect there to be other cases on the table today, because Yuan is sitting at 2 symps, in all likelihood. 3 players out of 9 can make a lot of noise.

So I don't buy it. It has to be someone harder to lynch, like Ruse or Telas.

[Ruse]

Or Omtose. Yuan Shu is Korbas or Omtose....maybe Telas. I am busy at work, so I will post later when I can. But most of my logic is in my Prior Yuan Shu post. I discounted Omtose in my original post because he was an early voter on the train, in rereading this morning I saw that he jumped on the Train in the #3 position, and then, later before anyone else had voted Liosan, removed his vote. He wasn't even on the Liosan Lynch.

I notice you didn't mention Sukul. is that cause he's your master?

[Ruse]

Though I do agree with you Meanas, Spite is not Yuan Shu. I don't think Spite is anything more than a Solo army or a recruit at best.

This post has been edited by Ruse: 16 February 2010 - 11:23 PM

[Meanas]

 Ruse, on 16 February 2010 - 11:20 PM, said:

Or Omtose. Yuan Shu is Korbas or Omtose....maybe Telas. I am busy at work, so I will post later when I can. But most of my logic is in my Prior Yuan Shu post. I discounted Omtose in my original post because he was an early voter on the train, in rereading this morning I saw that he jumped on the Train in the #3 position, and then, later before anyone else had voted Liosan, removed his vote. He wasn't even on the Liosan Lynch.

I notice you didn't mention Sukul. is that cause he's your master?

Are you talking from analysis of Liosan's lynch? I'll have to go re-read that.

And I'm pretty sure I said Sukul is mighty fucking suspicious one post prior, for basically showing up, voting, and then Telas doing the same thing! I don't know if he's Yuan Shu or not, simply because he's been semi-lynchable for a while.

Tulas, Omtose, you, are all examples of people who've mostly avoided any votes this game, and thus, that's where I'm most suspicious, given that Yuan Shu has a mini army right now.

[Tulas Shorn]

 Meanas, on 16 February 2010 - 11:10 PM, said:

Ultimately, I have to consider how likely it is that Spite is Yuan Shu when nobody else is being offered a case alternative. If Spite really were Yuan Shu, I would heavily expect there to be other cases on the table today, because Yuan is sitting at 2 symps, in all likelihood. 3 players out of 9 can make a lot of noise.

So I don't buy it. It has to be someone harder to lynch, like Ruse or Telas.

Wait, what? I thought you said you were recruited by Yuan Shu, so why would you be considering whether Spite was him or not?

I think we're getting to the relative "wealth of information" part of the game, so I think a re-read will be in order when I finish work.

TTFN.

[Telas]

I think he was apparently recruited by Yuan Shao actually.

Meanas You have a good point about there not really being any defense for Spite (apart from yourself obviously) but we dont know that Yuan Shu has 2 symps, 1 could have been stolen at some point, although if that is the case and theyre alive i would hope that theyd reveal who he is, as he is obviously a big threat for anyone not on his team.

[Sukul Ankhadu]

 Telas, on 16 February 2010 - 11:46 PM, said:

I think he was apparently recruited by Yuan Shao actually.

Meanas You have a good point about there not really being any defense for Spite (apart from yourself obviously) but we dont know that Yuan Shu has 2 symps, 1 could have been stolen at some point, although if that is the case and theyre alive i would hope that theyd reveal who he is, as he is obviously a big threat for anyone not on his team.

Wow this makes my mafia setup radar going boom through the roof (underlining is mine). It's like you're suggesting someone fake reveal so that you can swoop in and win. It's a pretty obvious assumption that really doesn't need to be said, now does it? Makes you look very suspect. But maybe you are one of those mafia players that like to state obvious things just to appear active.

[Meanas]

Telas is right, I am a recruit of Yuan SHAO, not Yuan SHU.

I also agree with Ruse's assessment that Tulas cannot be Yuan Shu, because Tulas has proof he was recruited the same night as me. If my analysis is correct, Tulas Shorn started the game as Han Sui.

[Telas]

 Sukul Ankhadu, on 17 February 2010 - 12:08 AM, said:

 Telas, on 16 February 2010 - 11:46 PM, said:

I think he was apparently recruited by Yuan Shao actually.

Meanas You have a good point about there not really being any defense for Spite (apart from yourself obviously) but we dont know that Yuan Shu has 2 symps, 1 could have been stolen at some point, although if that is the case and theyre alive i would hope that theyd reveal who he is, as he is obviously a big threat for anyone not on his team.

Wow this makes my mafia setup radar going boom through the roof (underlining is mine). It's like you're suggesting someone fake reveal so that you can swoop in and win. It's a pretty obvious assumption that really doesn't need to be said, now does it? Makes you look very suspect. But maybe you are one of those mafia players that like to state obvious things just to appear active.

if you say so. The thing is, as i cant see any harm coming to my team from pointing this out, i dont see a reason to leave it unsaid as its quite possible there are people who hadnt planned to do it. (unlikely as that may seem)

[Sukul Ankhadu]

 Telas, on 17 February 2010 - 12:55 AM, said:

 Sukul Ankhadu, on 17 February 2010 - 12:08 AM, said:

 Telas, on 16 February 2010 - 11:46 PM, said:

I think he was apparently recruited by Yuan Shao actually.

Meanas You have a good point about there not really being any defense for Spite (apart from yourself obviously) but we dont know that Yuan Shu has 2 symps, 1 could have been stolen at some point, although if that is the case and theyre alive i would hope that theyd reveal who he is, as he is obviously a big threat for anyone not on his team.

Wow this makes my mafia setup radar going boom through the roof (underlining is mine). It's like you're suggesting someone fake reveal so that you can swoop in and win. It's a pretty obvious assumption that really doesn't need to be said, now does it? Makes you look very suspect. But maybe you are one of those mafia players that like to state obvious things just to appear active.

if you say so. The thing is, as i cant see any harm coming to my team from pointing this out, i dont see a reason to leave it unsaid as its quite possible there are people who hadnt planned to do it. (unlikely as that may seem)

I am saying so, because I don't see how anyone could be as stupid as not mentioning such piece of information. I think it's pretty obviously a hint to your team to fake reveal.

[Sukul Ankhadu]

But as much as I don't like it, I guess there is a small, tiny, minuscule chance that someone is sitting on information of that kind and didn't think about mentioning it...wait, who am I kidding, it's nonexistent.

Also, it just hit me, your hint could be preemptive, meant to throw a shadow over anyone that actually has information but hasn't had a chance to reveal it yet. That's even worse. I have to admit I didn't think about the possibility someone has been on but not read the thread properly.

Anyway I'm out of here.

[Spite]

If someone was sitting on information as to who the level four warlord was, it would have been posted by now. So Yaun Shu (likely Telas, Galayn Lord or Omtose, with a slim chance of Ruse or Korbas) is sitting with 2 recruits.

Yaun Shao may be in the same position, so gunning for Yaun Shu is not the only option, though if Meanas is not Yaun Shao himself rereading his posts to pick anything out is going to take a long time. The mid-day scene may give us a better idea of how many recruits Yaun Shao could have.

For anyone who somehow thinks I may be Yaun Shu, Liosan was recruited either night one or night two. Beyond my voting for him and continuing after him on day three, he started the day by trying to run a train over me. I am neither Yaun Shu nor Yaun Shao.

At this point, I am leaning at going back after Telas or going for Omtose. Omtose has received very little pressure all game and Telas is just coasting now.

[Omtose]

Yuan Shu is Korbas

vote Korbas

he recruited me night 2 and lost me night 3

[Ruse]

Oh wow... here we go....

[Spite]

I find that hard to believe. The extent to which Korbas defended Liosan was a bit silly if this is true. I am more of the mind to think that you are Yaun Shu or protecting either Telas or Galayn Lord. Care to share anything more than that you were recruited and lost?