[Dinivan]

Rashan blames the drugs

and Mockra wants a speedlynch on Ampelas. Does he realize that he wants Harry dead? And that the denarians are probably his strongest allies right now?

[Path-Shaper]

yes, here goes (sorry, I'm rooting for evil. I'm an original vampire, mind you)

Mockra, on 02 December 2009 - 09:29 PM, said:

On second thought, I don't think we should lynch Ampelas. I think we almost have a lynch majority right now. You + Me + Gamelon + Nicodemus + Anthras (assuming that Anthras is still recruitable if not already recruited).

I am betting that Ampelas is Nicodemus, Ruse is Harry, Rashan is Sanya. So we try to lynch Ruse, while we still have the numbers.

Rashan and Ruse start to look like toast.


some thoughts from Rashan (first is a little bit older):

Rashan, on 02 December 2009 - 04:56 AM, said:

Sorry, Meanas. I would have loved to have heard your point, and let you come back to spread shenanigans.

However, the price of outing my ass is death. If you are in my own faction, you deserved to die for doing so, and I feel no qualms. Next time, you'll know better. Yes, I'd rather lose than be outed before I was prepared to do so. I have REASONS to stay in character.

Rashan, on 02 December 2009 - 09:37 PM, said:

Mockra. Sneaky bugger.

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 02 December 2009 - 09:40 PM

[Path-Shaper]

the heat is on

and the longer this game runs, the more I'm convinced that it's very well balanced.

Some thoughts from the players:

Ampelas, on 03 December 2009 - 02:57 AM, said:

I wish that you were here with me JA. Right now we would have the rest of these guys talked into lynching Ruse. As it is I am trying my best to use everything that you laid out for me to get it done. I think that mental will get back from work and reveal. It is what I would do. If GK can get off his ass and vote then all we would need is for me to convince Rashan that Ruse is Nico or Anthras to get on and vote. Tapper is a Knight of the cross so him and HD must die after Mental. Hopefully I can pull this out... Victory for the ages...

Rashan, on 02 December 2009 - 11:37 PM, said:

Safe to say I've outed myself quite thoroughly by this point. I blame the migraine medicine that had me higher than a kite.

Also: WHAT?

Rashan, on 03 December 2009 - 04:23 AM, said:

So... is that an implosion or a desperate attempt to win? Pot/Kettle?

Anthras, on 03 December 2009 - 07:28 AM, said:

I cannot vote for Ruse. The RI facade would be wiped out and I would probably be lynched for being a vampire or something the next day. So, I'll probably end up voting for Amp, unless you can suggest a better play.

As for N/A, I think that will depend on how things work out today.

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 03 December 2009 - 09:20 AM

[Gavin]

So this all hinges on Vengy now to make the right play here. Its time to come clean I reckon and admit to being Nic and saying he needs the weather at +10 or -10 so Gamelon, Mockra and Cabal all realise they can win it together.

Mockra has correctly read the situation that evil are on top number wise. If Gamelon does decide to lynch Amp, does Rashan win and its game over? Or did Nic not get the coin back? Because having to collect 3 of 4 is hard enough for the Knights, without some going missing permanently. Might need Obdi for a ruling on that one, is lost considered 'out of play'?

[Gavin]

Oh and great to see you back JA, how was the first game back for a while?

[Dinivan]

Gavin, on 03 December 2009 - 12:39 PM, said:

So this all hinges on Vengy now to make the right play here. Its time to come clean I reckon and admit to being Nic and saying he needs the weather at +10 or -10 so Gamelon, Mockra and Cabal all realise they can win it together.

Mockra has correctly read the situation that evil are on top number wise. If Gamelon does decide to lynch Amp, does Rashan win and its game over? Or did Nic not get the coin back? Because having to collect 3 of 4 is hard enough for the Knights, without some going missing permanently. Might need Obdi for a ruling on that one, is lost considered 'out of play'?

agree on everything above.

coin issue: It is clear that the coin disappeared into the crowd, according to obdi. What def. needs clarification are the consequences. possibilities:

1) coin goes back to Nic
2) coin is totally out (doesn't count for Harry's / Knights VC)
3) it does count for VC

I don't think 3 is true, since obdi has stated that either Rashan or Ruse would have grabbed the coin if they had been in the lynchtrain, and Ruses VC states that the coins need to be taken either by Harry or by the knights. So to me it's either 1 or 2, and in both situations Rashan or Ruse need to be on the lynch train of both Amp and Korv. The only difference is whether Amp can recruit another Lasciel, what would be too overpowered, I think. So currently I'm cruising with 2, allthough clarification is needed on this.

[Gavin]

Yeah I guess I'd run with that as well, although its pretty harsh on them. Well maybe Odbi can clarify. I see Amp has hinted quite nicely it could be warmer, although not sure if Gamelon picked up on it, he might need to be less subtle unfortunately.

[Dinivan]

exactly. The game now hinges upon how believable the denarians can state their VC. And assuage the worry that they'll just kill everyone after Harry is lnyched to get their victory alone.

On another note, and I'm speculating about how it might unfold.

What if they agree to lynch Ruse, and then Rashan (or rashan gets killed at night), they agree to reach +10

Should the game be called early? (vampires, summer, denarian win; Eloth can't really prevent it, since he has no killing ability, and Mockra can just off him)
Should Eloth/Mockra fight it out who wins out of the two? Or should Eloth be asked in that situation whether he wants to fight it or if he would leave Mockra the win?
Should we generally wait until it's really +10?
Should the denarians be asked whether or not they aspire a joint victory or a single one?

[Gavin]

Well the game has been going on a long time now, so I'd be tempted to call it just on that alone.

But there is a number of ways to eliminate groups.
Nic can off both Mockra and Eloth and win with just Gamelon. Or lynch Gamelon and win with just Mockra or Eloth, or both.

They can all team up against the Denarians and lynch both Korv and Amp and win that way as well once Ruse is lynched. And if Rashan is still alive, he can snatch the win from them..

[Dinivan]

yup. So we have to wait until each party has made their intention clear.

Possible ask them via PM (allthough I'm a bit reluctant to do that, since it might give away to much about the game's situation) after Ruse (+Rashan) are dead (if it comes to that).

However, one doesn't want to drag it out till infinity and on the other hand I don't want to cut away the player's options.

Let's see if they can agree to lynch Ruse in the first place. Or if they distrust the Denarians too much to form a real alliance.

[Path-Shaper]

some thoughts flying around:

Ampelas, on 03 December 2009 - 02:39 PM, said:

Correction I am going to kill Rashan I suggest you kill Anthras or Eloth. One of them is the other knight. I am probably going to draw both of the knights actions If we don't get them both then You could have your wish and end up with me dead. I do think that it will be easier for you to win with me around, but you might not think so. Anyway I would suggest you don't get back on to explain your vote more. Just leave it. Now we can see who the vampire is. Hopefully.

Ampelas, on 03 December 2009 - 02:41 PM, said:

I would suggest that you kill whom ever of Anthras or Eloth doesn't vote for Ruse. They will probably be the remaining unknown Knight of the cross.

Anthras, on 03 December 2009 - 03:26 PM, said:

So what's the best play? Hammering Ruse since it's better for us? Or voting Amp to keep up the charade?

If I hammer, that probably sets me up for a lynch. That may not necessarily bad in and of itself though.

Gamelon, on 03 December 2009 - 03:30 PM, said:

Actually Harry is the weakest faction atm if Ruse is to be believed so any of the others recruiting you would be better for you as an RI. Remember Harry isnt town.
I dont think hammering would set you up for a lynch necessarily.
Do what you decide is best

do tell me, is there an EASY way to post convos here? Now I'm hiting direct reply to every post and copy what I get into a word document, and so forth until I have the above. It's quite time-consuming considering the internet-speed at my disposal.

[drinksinbars]

tell them to reply so the vconvo builds up and you can lift the last one

[Path-Shaper]

next time when / if I mod.

Anthras again, worring whether to hammer or not, thinking that hammering might get him killed:

Anthras, on 03 December 2009 - 03:49 PM, said:

I think the assumption, as has been all along, would be that I would be a/the vampire. That could make some people nervous about a killing power, except maybe the power structure means I wouldn't be able to kill anyone who is left anyways...


I would totally take a lycnh if I thought it would help you, but I'm not sure how it would.
Gah! I don't know what I should do.

someone should tell him that Amp will be gunning for the person NOT hammering Ruse.

[Path-Shaper]

waiting for Rashan

night so far:

weather heats up +3, we are back to zero.
Ampelas kills Rashan, gets into morning scene
Korvalain attempts kill on Anthras, fails due to equal powerlevel, morning scene
Anthras follows Ampelas, so gets the killing from above in PM but can ofc not intervene since amp's powerlevel > his.

Allright. Rashan follows Korv, prevents the action (knights don't approve of demons doings). So no flashy scene of spike-shooting demon duelling with the knight of summer.

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 03 December 2009 - 07:09 PM

[Path-Shaper]

And now we've come to the situation where ending the game can be considered.

The last thing really remaining is Mockra and Eloth duking it out.

I'm half of the mind to send both (or just Eloth*) a PM asking them how they would prefer to continue - end the game anyways or if they want to fight it out.

*why just Eloth? Ending the game would mean that I assume that they go to night, don't kill and heat it up to ten. In this scenario Eloth would be the only one not winning as he has the "no other cabal corrupted"-VC not fulfilled, everyone else has fulfilled their VC

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 03 December 2009 - 07:33 PM

[Path-Shaper]

Mockra does not want to kill Eloth. He wants to lynch Korv then Anthras and then tell the others that they have to vote of either him or Eloth in order to win.

this could be shortened, as they could already decide now.

I think it hard for the other players to decide who wins this.

I want to end this. They have each won, and now they hack each other off pointlessly. The only think hitching is Eloth's win condition and I think it right now forces to unnecessary cruelness.

Give me advice please.

If no one answers I will talk with Eloth about this and perhaps disregard that tiny VC and call everyone a winner or everyone except Eloth a winner and give Eloth a special award or something.

[Morgoth]

Hmpf.. If they'd but waited one day to lynch me, all this would've worked out fine.

Technically, it should go on until someone wins, meaning Mockra would have to kill Eloth if there's a falling out. However, that seems unnecessary and cruel all told. It's a tough one.. I haven't been paying enough attention to assess the situation properly. Mockra not wanting to kill Eloth is too kind and sweet for my mind to comprehend.

[Path-Shaper]

Morgoth, on 03 December 2009 - 08:42 PM, said:

Mockra not wanting to kill Eloth is too kind and sweet for my mind to comprehend.

which is why I want to end this game now.

Do you think someone would torture me to death over it? would Eloth be ok? should I ask him?

and yes, if it were possible to recruit Eloth everything would be serene... perhaps I should give Amp the Lash coin back just for this purpose.

ETA but then I had to tell him explicitly to recruit Eloth. Crude solution.

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 03 December 2009 - 08:49 PM

[HoosierDaddy]

Color me less than pleased.

Fun game everybody. Thanks for making it enjoyable.

[Dinivan]

Thanks to all the players.

I had some struggles to do this properly, but I hugely enjoyed the game at the same time, it was absolutely thrilling.

I really hope that it was okay to end the game in the way it ended. If not, all blame can come to me. I think it was a fair and - most importantly - the most painless solution to the situation.