[Path-Shaper]

Scarfs are cool

I still think that finders aren't unbalanced per se. It's always a bit iffy if a (sort of) CF and finders come together, though.

What makes this game extremely difficult for the denarians, Cabal and vampires is that everyone wants to lynch them (or has to pretend to) and the Dresden faction is near unlynchable (and Harry is in fact bulletproof to nightkills, making him next to unkillable) so that they can reveal without a problem allthough their enemies have majority and could just vote them off - but because Harry's faction has the connotation of being the "town" one no one exactly dares to vote them off actively.

And to clear up about the information in role PMs (in particular the Eloth business):
1) that's how this game was planned (iirc D'riss got told by obdi when he was prevented)
2) Eloth's NA was blocked because he was assaulted. So he gets told that during the night someone ran towards him, screaming. And it was Rashans NA anyways that he got told about Eloth's activities. However, major fights come into the morning scene, a la Nicodemus vs Harry. And I wanted to write something in the scene other than 'it's morning'.
3) some people only get 'Tennes is Deidre' because their NA is 'you get the targeted persons role name. That role name is Deidre. Or 'Cabal member'. Or 'Bianca'. Or 'red court vampire'. So that's what you get.

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 30 November 2009 - 09:45 AM

[Path-Shaper]

Some thoughts from the players:

Eloth, on 29 November 2009 - 02:00 PM, said:

And sadly, end-game seems rather anti-climactic

So, I'd best practice my reveal.

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I am Mortimer Lindquist, Morty for friends. I am a cheat and I prefer to live rather than meddle in the affairs of the mighty. In other words, my sole victory condition is to survive. I can be recruited, if I am, I lose that tasty and juicy power.

I am able to commune with the spirit community, meaning that I can ask a recently deceased one question on the game, that they answer and that is replied to through P-S (so no quotages). as it is a night action, I can either ask a question of the lynched of the day, or one of a person killed the night before. If they are not around to answer it themselves, the mod answers for them.

Day 1, we lynched GL, I didn't want to ask a question of him.

Night 1, Serc died. I pretty much thought he was a wizard, and probably a bad one at that. So I asked on night 2 what his VC was. He said: Harry must be dead, no cabal may be recruited.

Day 2's lynch (Barghast) was moot, because I asked a question of Serc.
Night 2, Tulas Shorn dies. I decide to not ask him anything on night 3, at the least not until I saw the lynch.

Day 3, HP is lynched. Jackpot. I ask him whether or not he was bullshitting us with his victory condition. At this stage, I was really, really hard trying to find out who would want what with the weather as that seems the leading theme. He said he wasn't.
I figure that at this stage, vampires and summer court need +10 degrees, vamps also need Harry dead. I conclude that Winter Court and denarians probably mirror vamps + summer court.

Night 3, Emurlahn and Tennes die. I decide to ask no questions of them as they appear to be roleless instead, I gamble on a juicy day 4. Which we get

Day 4, Liosan dies. Kaschan then freezes the night, so no questions. I try to cobble together the secondary vcs of the sidhe courts, Gamelon obliges to confirm.

Night 4, everyone lives.

Day 5, we lynch Okaros, who turns up RI. I ask no question, as I figure someone juicy will die - Kaschan seems likely, or, if my theory on the vc on the denarians is correct, I guess it could be Gamelon, who is also a lovely target.

Night 5, Kaschan indeed dies. I plan to ask him a question on night 6: ask him if he knew whether or not the Knights of the Cross are on Harry's team or if they are a seperate faction. I figure that if they really are on the same team, I can reveal and we can end the game.

day 6 arrives, we have a no-lynch.
night 6, I submit my question to Kaschan. I get guarded by Sanya instead as he disturbs my ritual (or Obdi must have put Mace Windu instead into the game, cause it is a black man with a glowing saber). As such, no answer.

It is now day 7.

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What do you think?

Rashan, on 29 November 2009 - 03:21 AM, said:

Something is inordinately fishy about Osseric's reveal. He has his facts straight, I assume. However, he didn't do JACK night 5, as he was "protecting himself." So, it's possible that Osseric is indeed Harry. I had him narrowed down to Nic or Harry with my latest notes, but had Mockra as a vampire.

It's possible he's got a lover connection with somebody else, and is using their information to supplant his. But, if that was the case, why would the lover not come out with the information instead of Osseric, who is more valuable as Harry?

I think this very well could be a stunt to catch me or the real Harry out. Hmmmm. They picked a good character to use.

Rashan, on 30 November 2009 - 06:57 AM, said:

SI-motherfucking-GH.

I know Mockra's lying about something, because Eloth is the "weather master" or at least a weather mage. Whatever. Possibly playing on my paranoia. It's fucking distracting as hell, because I can't win if they do.

Possibly an attempt to shield Eloth by Mockra. Who fucking knows.

The question becomes: Do I stick with my provisional or change it to something else? Seriously, I need both the weather fucks gone, and the weather warmer than it is now, as well as having to catch out fucking Denarians.

Blah.

Tough to gamble the game away on something like this though. Fuck. I hate making decisions when I'm drunk.

this one is really old (From the no-lynch-Friday)

Ruse, on 28 November 2009 - 03:03 AM, said:

hmm, no lynch


the thought occurred to me, as I was getting off the bus (after almost running into oncoming traffic to catch it), that after revealing recruitable RI, lynching Anthras would probably have been a wise move.

however, as it so often does, the thought came up too late.

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 30 November 2009 - 10:23 AM

[Obdigore]

Sir Thursday, on 28 November 2009 - 06:12 PM, said:

Obdi always seems to disappear during his games - IIRC, he was gone for large chunks of the spaceship game, too...

That is why I wasn't offering to run the Dresden game, because I thought I was too busy. Whine Whine Whine.

[Dinivan]

welcome back

are you resolving the night right now?

[Dinivan]

Welcome to spoilers, Mappo.

Sorry about that, but night timed out 2 hours ago, so I went ahead. It sucks and is really bad luck that you couldn't send in your PM due to internet problems... these things never seem to run smoothly, do they? *sigh*


welcome again. (hope I don't get to see that dinausaur bone mace )

[Path-Shaper]

Eloth, on 30 November 2009 - 08:08 PM, said:

Wait, so Osseric wasn't Bob, but he was Michael's daughter?

I'm glad someone found this one out, since I have only read book one just now (it IS really good, will get the next ones as well) and had to google that character to write a decent CF and was worried I couldn't make her recognisable. (quite similar as with Nicodemus, but the rope tie and talking shadow made things easier)

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 30 November 2009 - 08:54 PM

[Gavin]

Book one is probably the weakest in the series (that i've read so far) as well so you have some good reading ahead

Demons should win this from here you know. Lynch Mockra, recruit Anthras, seduce Korv and get everyone to vote night. Then combine to kill Gamelon, and make a deal with the last Cabal to make it colder or he gets lynched as well. Then off Dresden and all is well.

Sounds straight forward I look forward to celebrating my win

[Morgoth]

Gavin, on 01 December 2009 - 02:17 AM, said:

Book one is probably the weakest in the series (that i've read so far) as well so you have some good reading ahead

Demons should win this from here you know. Lynch Mockra, recruit Anthras, seduce Korv and get everyone to vote night. Then combine to kill Gamelon, and make a deal with the last Cabal to make it colder or he gets lynched as well. Then off Dresden and all is well.

Sounds straight forward I look forward to celebrating my win

I claim moral victory. I was not lynched until day 7 which is high on the impossible occurrence scale

[Morgoth]

I also wish to point out that Vengyboy is a dirty slut who should've given me the coin on night 3 at least. I mean, a recruiting denarian? I would've been awesome.

[Gavin]

We were planning to give you a coin in fact, we went with Meanas first cos its been so long since he's played and you can't go wrong with JA on board. You were next but we kept running into people we had to kill...

I think Vengy is a bit nervous about giving out that last coin as well.

[Morgoth]

Gavin, on 01 December 2009 - 05:54 AM, said:

We were planning to give you a coin in fact, we went with Meanas first cos its been so long since he's played and you can't go wrong with JA on board. You were next but we kept running into people we had to kill...

I think Vengy is a bit nervous about giving out that last coin as well.

poppycock. I am 100% trustworthy... It is known

[Path-Shaper]

Gavin, on 01 December 2009 - 02:17 AM, said:

Book one is probably the weakest in the series (that i've read so far) as well so you have some good reading ahead

Demons should win this from here you know. Lynch Mockra, recruit Anthras, seduce Korv and get everyone to vote night. Then combine to kill Gamelon, and make a deal with the last Cabal to make it colder or he gets lynched as well. Then off Dresden and all is well.

Sounds straight forward I look forward to celebrating my win

sounds nice good reading is very good

I think that the easiest would be to ally with Gamelon and Mockra in order to get it to +10 and jointly win (which of course would have the benefit that the vampires would also win)

Currently, the denarians are sure in the best position.

Gavin, on 01 December 2009 - 05:54 AM, said:

We were planning to give you a coin in fact, we went with Meanas first cos its been so long since he's played and you can't go wrong with JA on board. You were next but we kept running into people we had to kill...

I think Vengy is a bit nervous about giving out that last coin as well.

he plans to do it this night. And I'm scared, I have no idea whatsoever what kind of abilities that coin should give. A killing maybe. ANY IDEAS ARE VERY MUCH WElCOME!!! GIVE THEM PLZ!!!

and some thoughts/plans from our dear coin-horders:

Ampelas, on 01 December 2009 - 02:13 AM, said:

I have no friggin clue. Should I kill Rashan or Eloth or try to recruit Anthras????

If there is a vamp out there (korv) then I am thinking about recruiting Anthras. Although If I get rejected again then I am just going to start killing till we have enough to lynch Ruse.

I think that Mockra should try to super heat it. Once he gets to +5 he can talk to Gamelon and then together they can run it all the way up. It wasn't going to get any colder... This is a good plan for him to do. If Gamelon figures it out then that right there is 4 votes between us all to keep them both alive.

I think that I have to recruit either the remaining Vampire to us or Anthras. Either Tapper is super powered already or is a knight of the cross.


So we would have

Ruse = Dresden

Eloth = Possible knight of the cross

Rashan = Knight of the cross

Anthras = Self proclaimed RI (suspicious)

Gamelon = Queen of Summer

Mockra = Cabal

Korv = ??

Me

You


The vampire is either Korv or Anthras... I don't think that bob is in this game or if he is then it is only as Ruses find. I think that Ruse was able to talk to Molly after night 3 like he said and that is how she got all of the info. Then knowing that I had found him and he was going to have to go into hiding he decided to have Molly reveal as bob and show the finds. I think that the reason that the heat went up isn't that Mockra suddenly decided to run it up I think that HD (Rashan) blocked him so then Gamelon's pull went through unabated. So I am going to either recruit Korv or Anthras..... Which one do you think would be a better play at this point? If I can get a recruit through then with the lynch that will take us to 3 votes plus your force (assuming you don't get lynched...Use it on the person who I don't try to recruit) and 8 players. At that point I might reveal and tell Mockra that if he votes with us and kills Dresden then I will let the temp get warm and both him and Gamelon can win. We would kill Rashan at night and game over...

If you die but I am able to recruit one of them then he should have killing powers too. At which point we take out Rashan and one other. Then proclaim myself and offer to bring others along...

I will of course be lying but I am also a fallen angel and so they shouldn't trust me...

The problem with all of this is that I can't post very much... and am going to be extremely busy over the next week. Which means that I need to you live.

Meanas, on 01 December 2009 - 06:32 AM, said:

Man what a strange day.

So we have a guard that doesn't react to the fact that there was no Denarian kills last night, Mockra and I bullshitting about the Denarians, and nobody figuring out that the simplest explanation for my behavior is that I blocked Ruse last night, became Denarian and realized Ruse was my master.

The problem with psychological games is that you need the others to "realize" the scenario that you're trying to trick them into

Maybe you can recruit Anthras tonight, or Korvalain. Eloth already refused once, and I don't see why he would change his mind.

provisional: seduce Rashan to vote Ruse.

[Gavin]

Well from the wiki:
"Namshiel, often called Thorned Namshiel, is a fallen angel, and a member of the Order of the Blackened Denarius.

He has an ability to shoot spines from his body."

So sounds like a kill to me. Power level is 8 I guess if its given to a RI. Not sure if you want to give him anything other than a kill though? Maybe he could either Kill, or Assist Nicodimus similiar to what the Knights and Harrys group has got.

[Dinivan]

Gavin, on 01 December 2009 - 12:52 PM, said:

So sounds like a kill to me. Power level is 8 I guess if its given to a RI. Not sure if you want to give him anything other than a kill though? Maybe he could either Kill, or Assist Nicodimus similiar to what the Knights and Harrys group has got.

That sounds appealing. And he should definetly have a 2nd ability

But I wonder if that could be understood as specifically tayloring Namshiel to allow the denarians to kill Ruse. I am afraid of designing him to the point of unbalancing the game completely.
On the other hand, that would be the only way Ruse could ever be NK'd(save from a vampire gaining powerlevel 11 through constant feedeing) so that might have been the intention from the very beginning. (And I think that the setup favoured Harry's faction anyways)
and this would make Ruse's 'hiding behind wards' ability actually useful (another point in favour). Plus, he can't be just crap, as he has to be more powerful than Lasciel. (And I think that the setup favoured Harry's faction anyways)

so the support ability sounds useful.
would you limit the kills? I get the feeling that Nashmiel should be a little bit weaker than Sanya, balancewise, though one might argue that the requirement of recruiting someone consenting is already a huge minus.

This post has been edited by Dinivan: 01 December 2009 - 01:11 PM

[Path-Shaper]

And here he goes. Ampelas just put in the provisional to recruit Korvalain.

[Gavin]

Yeah I'm probably not the guy who should be deciding what powers the demons get

Well maybe give him a one or two shot vig and nothing else if you are worried about it. I think he has to be getting something in the killing field though.

[Dinivan]

Gavin, on 01 December 2009 - 01:25 PM, said:

Yeah I'm probably not the guy who should be deciding what powers the demons get

Well maybe give him a one or two shot vig and nothing else if you are worried about it. I think he has to be getting something in the killing field though.

yeah, that would be the safe route, but I do have the feeling that he should have more - he is the 'stronger' coin, after all. How about:

kill - 1 shot vig. ( he would lose it if he attacks someone with higher powerlevel, not if he is guarded)
coorperation - work with Nicodemus to give him + 2 powerlevel
intimidate - if someone is intimidated he is not allowed to vote the following day (fails if target has higher powerlevel)

to the powerlevel:

it says that it's +5 for Lasciel if the recruited is unroled, resulting in lvl 6. But Meanas got 7?

what would that mean for thorned Nash? also seven (1 + the announced 6) or eight (because he gets one more than Lash?
I would go for the latter, because Obdi has specifically stated that Thorned is stronger than Lash.

[Gavin]

I think he has to be 8 for a RI since its stated he's more powerful. It sounds pretty good.. although they hold all the cards voting wise the demons...

[Dinivan]

true. to much voting power for demons. hmm.

What about a "delayed guard"?
Intimidate one night, that person can't perfom a NA the next night? Or would that suck totally?

we don't have a sheepmancer in this game as well

or a healing ability, perhaps, allthough I can't really reconcile that with the image of the charater

one could change the killing ability around a bit, give more shots and make it, like: puncture to totally bleed that person (suggesting that the CF story would indicate a vampire killing in the morning scene)

[Gavin]

I dunno lets hope Obdi says something. I'd say just a Vig and the + 2 for Nicodimus might be the go as that leans on the safe side.