[Sinisdar Toste]

SO... i was recently referred by a friend of mine to a video that she said discussed the space-time altering characteristics of this stuff called monatomic material that can be distilled from gold. basically if you break gold down into it's purest form, it becomes non-metallic and contains elements of all the "noble" metals, such as platinum, iridium and osmium. this stuff, which appears as a white powder, fluctuates in weight, travels between dimensions and can be ingested to produce instant positive effects. it sounds like real out of this world and unbelievable stuff that no one would ever take seriously. but watch this video and you'll see how the speaker references some of the preeminent scientific institutions in the world and how they are studying this material and finding all kinds of batshit crazy properties. places like NASA, and Cornell University and the Institute of Advanced Studies in Austin, tx.
Linky

its a very long video, 1h20m, but very engrossing and well worth a view i think.

has anyone else heard about this? from clues in the video i think the lecture was given in 2003, so people have known about for a good while. thoughts? objections? pledges to convert all wedding rings and wives jewelry into wonder powder?

[HoosierDaddy]

The fun with elements is that they are in their purest form possible. Beyond that is subatomic stuff that everything is made of, not just gold.

Sounds batshit crazy to me, and I'm not going to watch the video.

[Sinisdar Toste]

this seems to contradict that idea HD, but maybe "purest-form" is misleading. scientists discovered in '89 that elements like gold and ruthenium exist in microclusters of atoms and that once there is less than a critical number of atoms in the microcluster it loses it's lattice-like metallic structure and becomes ceramic and chemically inert.
monatomic elements
this article goes over the basic idea behind monatomic material.
granted the site is trying to sell the stuff, so would obviously want to present the information in a way that would get you to buy it. but the science seems sound to me

couple other articles i found.
properties of monatomic elements this one is very strange to start off, but when it gets to the story of David Hudson (who is also mentioned in the video) the nuts and bolts of the actual tests ran on this stuff is quite astounding.
monatomic elements this page references Hudson quite a bit, as well as some journals

This post has been edited by Sinisdar Toste: 10 November 2009 - 01:07 AM

[Jusentantaka]

I heard about this white powder which has space and time altering properties when its ingested, especially when its pure. I always thought it was called cocaine.

[Darkwatch]

A quick Google search has mentioned this to be prevalent among gases more than anything else. Encyclopedia Britannica does not mention the noble metals, and while Wikipedia does, it mentions the site trying to sell it as its source. And it's an underdeveloped article.

Not to mention when going through the news items this stuff is often mentioned in connection with "manna" and once with Nostradamus.

Now while monatomic material might be a niche part of science, if a gold derived compound could generate so many benefits and we've known since the late 80s than why haven't we heard of this?
David Hudson has no Wikipedia article about him (not even a stub) and neither does Britannica. He's only associated to his white gold powder and it all sounds like a big scam to me (and trying to sell it). Two of those sites are new age "alternative medicine" sites.
The first one has an Alchemy tab.

The video talks about the Ark of the Covenant? And there's a Knights Templar video in the related area as well as other "pseudo science".

Also Laurence Gardner (the guy giving the lecture in the video), according to wikipedia:

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Laurence Gardner
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Laurence Gardner is a writer and lecturer on historical revisionism. He has written many books on alternative history.
Gardner is occasionally styled "Chevalier Labhran de Saint Germain", "Presidential Attache to the European Council of Princes" and "Prior of the Celtic Churches Sacred Kindred of Saint Columbia" [1]. He also claims to be Jacobite Historiographer Royal of the Royal House of Stewart. He is a supporter of Michael Lafosse, in particular his claims to be descended from the House of Stuart, which Gardner claims was descended from Jesus Christ.[2][3]
Some historians allege that he is a conspiracy theorist[4]; implying that his work is pseudohistory[2], poorly researched and not scholarly, particularly The Bloodline of the Holy Grail. Evidence for this criticism comes particularly from his mistranslation of the Gnostic Gospel of Phillip, which he uses to motivate the theory that Jesus and Mary Magdalene were married and produced a child whose bloodline is the Stuart clan of Scotland.
In developing this theory in The Bloodline of the Holy Grail, Gardner depends on the alleged fact that Jesus kissed Mary Magdalene "often on the mouth" (Ch.5, p. 57 of paperback edition). In fact, reputable translations of the Gospel of Phillip, e.g. Wesley Isenberg in James M. Robinson (Editor), "The Nag Hammadi Library" (1988), declare the noun (mouth) to be undecipherable due to damage to the ancient manuscript. In any case, a kiss on the mouth between early Christian males was a sign of holy love and affection, as evidence by the Second Apocalyspe of James, in which James so kisses the priest Mareim. Further, the remainder of Gardner's paragraph, claiming that the existence of man "depends on marriage", is not to be found in reputable translations at all and is self-evidently a complete fabrication.
In complete contradiction to Gardner's claim that Jesus and the Magdalene were in a physical (carnal) marriage, the closing paragraph of the Gnostic Gospel of Phillip sees Jesus stating that he will lead Magdalene to be "made male" by her faith in him. This would further explain his habit of kissing her often. The precise sentence is: "For every woman who will make herself male will enter the kingdom of heaven".

Source


Also this article has some interesting external links

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External links

Laurence Gardner's web site
Jesus' Alien Ancestors?
A lecture based on Lost Secrets of the Sacred Ark

I call shenanigans.

This post has been edited by Darkwatch: 10 November 2009 - 03:06 AM

[Impirion]

I remember reading a book which had that as its basis, and did some research into it. While monatomic metals/materials may exist, scientists are far more interested in their possible ability to be superconductors and stuff rather than anything about ingesting to produce good effects.

[caladanbrood]

No. Just no. Science is wonderful in many ways, but does it not seem just a little far-fetched to you, that gold, specifically, can be turned into magic healing powder?

I used my university alumni library access to search all the available academic databases for any papers or articles on this thing in proper peer-reviewed publications, and guess how many results there were? None. Zip. Nada. Zilch.

[stone monkey]

It all sounds suspiciously "Philosopher's Stone" to my ears... I'm no expert, but isn't gold in its purest form is simply, well... gold..?

Now, gold does have all sorts of interesting and useful properties; but pseudo-magical ones that bend space and time aren't among them.

Also, ingesting heavy metals; not always fatal, but not such a good idea...

This post has been edited by stone monkey: 10 November 2009 - 12:27 PM

[Cougar]

It's a bit too Phillip Pullman for my liking.

[Abyss]

Unless it gives me super powers i'm not interested.

- Abyss, selective with his space/time meds.

[cerveza_fiesta]

Its pretty evident in the way the explanation is written (on the zeropoint technologies website) that the author is selling snakeoil.

• Every single claim on the site is unsubstantiated by credible sources
• There is no presentation of data of any kind to support any claim
• The entire article is written so that each paragraph begins to explain something and then circles back to a few key statements. This is a classic political spin tactic. Start off like you're going to answer a question, go on a longwinded explanation of semi-related points and circle back to the point YOU want to make
• It is mentioned that chemical reactions with monatomic metals takes hundreds of times longer than standard metals and that typical chemistry techniques do not function on them...meaning that none of the claims are immediately verifiable even if somebody wanted to.
• Other peer-recviewed, credible sources don't mention monatomic materials at all.
• Any research stated in the article that would lend validity to the mere existence of monatomic matter is done by "Russian scientists" or some other completely unverifiable source.

I'm sure the video demonstrates the exact same properties as the article.

Complete bullshit. For sure. 100% certain.

[Sinisdar Toste]

 caladanbrood, on 10 November 2009 - 04:46 AM, said:

No. Just no. Science is wonderful in many ways, but does it not seem just a little far-fetched to you, that gold, specifically, can be turned into magic healing powder?

I used my university alumni library access to search all the available academic databases for any papers or articles on this thing in proper peer-reviewed publications, and guess how many results there were? None. Zip. Nada. Zilch.

yeah i was looking through my universities databases too, didn't find nothing about any monatomic gold. it does seem pretty pseudoscience, but i just keep thinking about the story of david hudson... i mean how can that whole story be made-up bullshit? he worked with some pretty high level scientific minds to try and figure out what this stuff was, and you can't just explain that away as pseudoscience or invalid because of no scientific consensus. there's hardly scientific consensus on any new discovery until years and years of research and testing are done

[Abyss]

look... either i get super-powers or it's bull.

- Abyss, able to leap tall buildings in a single airplane.

[Jusentantaka]

 Sinisdar Toste, on 10 November 2009 - 05:43 PM, said:

it does seem pretty pseudoscience, but i just keep thinking about the story of david hudson... i mean how can that whole story be made-up bullshit? he worked with some pretty high level scientific minds to try and figure out what this stuff was, and you can't just explain that away as pseudoscience or invalid because of no scientific consensus.

WMDs.






Only reason this wasn't shit all over by scientists is because gold is pretty far down on the toxic heavy metals list. Being allergic to it sucks, but unless you start doing lines of it, you aren't going to die from the toxicity. It may clot your blood and cause a stroke, heart attack or DVT, but hey, can blame that on the imbibers being fat.

[Abyss]

SUPER POWERS.

FFS all i want to know is whether or not the sparkly white space/time nose candy is going to give me superpowers.

DAMN YOU INTERNET ANSWER THE FUCKING QUESTION!!!!


- Abyss, doesn't ask for much.

[cerveza_fiesta]

 Sinisdar Toste, on 10 November 2009 - 05:43 PM, said:

 caladanbrood, on 10 November 2009 - 04:46 AM, said:

No. Just no. Science is wonderful in many ways, but does it not seem just a little far-fetched to you, that gold, specifically, can be turned into magic healing powder?

I used my university alumni library access to search all the available academic databases for any papers or articles on this thing in proper peer-reviewed publications, and guess how many results there were? None. Zip. Nada. Zilch.

yeah i was looking through my universities databases too, didn't find nothing about any monatomic gold. it does seem pretty pseudoscience, but i just keep thinking about the story of david hudson... i mean how can that whole story be made-up bullshit? he worked with some pretty high level scientific minds to try and figure out what this stuff was, and you can't just explain that away as pseudoscience or invalid because of no scientific consensus. there's hardly scientific consensus on any new discovery until years and years of research and testing are done

Are you just trolling here?

Trying to figure out, cause most people don't.

The problem isn't a lack of consensus....its a lack of anything at all. If the stuff had actually been legitimately researched, and indeed possessed the properties claimed, there would at least be a proper article about it somewhere. If he'd actually worked with high-level scientific minds on it, they would have published the findings. Its the goal of research in general to publish your findings and generate interest in the subject of your research. Any legitimate researcher publishes with the underlying goal of having the rest of the community validate, repeat and accept his findings.

Thus, if such an important discovery were made. There would me mention of it aside from wikipedia and a website selling it for "medicinal purposes"

C'mon here.

[alt146]

Well the fact that it sounds like you need super-high tech equipment to make the stuff and the first website I found when I googled it talks about how the ancient egyptians used it to 'feed their light beings' does seem to imply it's a bit of a scam. There may be such a thing as monotomic materials and they may even have been discovered by David Hudson (have never heard of the guy myself), but it's probably a theoretically interesting but fundamentally useless substance. And the fact that it has to be made from gold specifically sounds a bit suspicious, I'm sure there's a 'send us your gold and we'll send you back some white powder' offer somewhere. I wouldn't buy into it.

[Abyss]

Fuck.
Guess it's back to microwaving spiders then taunting them into biting me.


- Abyss, wishes they would stop exploding before the taunting stage.

[stone monkey]

This would seem apposite...

It's possible this guy isn't wrong about this stuff... But unlikely.

[Sinisdar Toste]

i guess one way to find out if this was a scam or not would be to buy the stuff and send to it to a lab for testing using all the procedures described in the hudson story, unfortunately it cost him thousands and thousands of dollars to do all that which most people don't generally have.

also, another link, with other links to articles that people have written. to show CF that i am not the only lunatic who thinks that there could be something here. cuz i aint trolling.
check it out