[Kanubis]

Edit: I put my first ever thread in the wrong damn forum, didn't I? Go me!
Edit2: Thankyou kindly moderator person

So far we have 9 books, and it's 3 per continent:

GotM, MoI, TtH: Genabackis
DG, HoC, tBH: Seven Cities
MT,RG,DoD: Letheri Continent

where does this lead no. 10? Logically, with DoD's cliffhanger ending, it would be Letherii as well, but who does that leave in the cold:

Karsa
Kalam (he's not dead dammit)
Paran (though you'd expect the Master of Deck to have some nifty convenient travelling options)
The Coral Tiste Andii
Felisin the Younger
Kallor (no way can they wrap up Draconus and K'rul's story without him?)
Traveller (although he seems to travel well)
Heboric, Itkovian (Despite being kinda... dead, I got the impression in TtH that Itkovian was fairly bound to a certain location. If so, I'd assume his fellow dead Shield Anvil to be similarly bound)
Cutter
Apsalar
Silverfox and her undead chums
Caladan "I have a big hammer that is very important" Brood

It just doesn't seem feasible that these could all be excluded, nor that they could all get to the Letherii continent.

I'd be interest in trying to get a list of every story thread that neesd to be wrapped up - I'm sure the list above isn't complete! I haven't included everything I thought of, since some stuff (Wickans etc.) seem to be ICE's to deal with now.

This post has been edited by Kanubis: 22 October 2009 - 11:23 AM

[blackzoid]

I think Kallor will be in the ICE novels. Krul and Draconus may deal with him there.
The Tiste Andii are done (the Coral ones anyway)
Cutter and Apsalar are done.
Silverfox is going to Assail so is out.
Itkovian is done.


The ones that are essential are Caladan, Genos Paran, Felisin the Younger, Heboric and Skinner.
Dassem/Kalam are maybe essentials.

Karsa is a bit of a maybe. He may be just used in the next Darujistan book by ICE. Not much point in him going back to the Lether continent.

[Kanubis]

Skinner! I'd discounted him as an ICE project, I'd totally forgotten his position in the House of Chains in the deck

[MTS]

I suspect Ardata will be involved as well. Heboric will definitely be involved. He's related to the OD, the gods of war and the Jade, all of which I expect to play a big part. Kalam will be back - he's part of Shadowthrone's master plan.

[Tiste Simeon]

I think that Grizzin Farl/Ruthan Gudd will also show up.

EDIT Oh, I also thought that Felisin the Younger was kind of out cos she is just going to sit on a throne/have ugly fat sex/mooch around doing drugs and not threaten anyone, cos people are going to her. Paran's killing of Poleil effectively means she won't be getting any more followers of the diseased/survivors...

This post has been edited by Tiste Simeon: 22 October 2009 - 04:34 PM

[Werthead]

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Karsa

I don't discount Karsa being involved in TCG in some fashion, but I believe the current plans is that Karsa's storyline is being left for the sequel trilogy.

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Kalam (he's not dead dammit)
Paran (though you'd expect the Master of Deck to have some nifty convenient travelling options)
Kallor (no way can they wrap up Draconus and K'rul's story without him?)
Traveller (although he seems to travel well)
Cutter
Apsalar

These are the elements I'm expecting to appear in the finale. Paran, most definitely. As for the rest, I'd be surprised if they didn't show up, but there are ways they could be sidetracked or marginalised until the sequels and other ICE books.

Cutter and Apsalar playing a role in the finale would bookend the series quite nicely.

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The Coral Tiste Andii

I believe all the remaining Darujhistan/Genabackis storylines will be resolved in ICE's Genabackis book (which I think is the one after Stonewielder), apart from Karsa and the Toblakai, which is being saved for the sequel trilogy.

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Silverfox and her undead chums

This will be addressed in ICE's future book set in Assail, I believe.

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Felisin the Younger
Heboric, Itkovian (Despite being kinda... dead, I got the impression in TtH that Itkovian was fairly bound to a certain location. If so, I'd assume his fellow dead Shield Anvil to be similarly bound)

I actually consider these storylines resolved.

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Caladan "I have a big hammer that is very important" Brood

Brood is a bit of a wild card. I could well believe his role is done after smashing Dragnipur, but he could still show up if additional badassery is required.

This post has been edited by Werthead: 23 October 2009 - 08:44 PM

[Mentalist]

Itkovian the redeemer's done.

as for Heboric... we see him in the prologue of DoD, and we don't really know what his soul's been up to since Hood let it out in tBH, and it acted as a homing beacon to all the jade chunks that hit Otataral Island.

I disagree that his story is resolved per se, he's linked to the Jade Chunks that are yet to fall. I believe it wee the Barghast that mentioned them hanging in the sky and being a bad omen.

If Paran shows up, I doubt it'll be a lengthy stay--i'll be surprised if SE makes him strong enough to do a warren/card trick for the entire Host, esp with the warrens being messed up due to Iccy.



Cutter and Apsalar would be nice, and heartwarming, and it would feel right and all. but the logistics of the matter (he was last seen leaving Darujhistan, she was las seen leaving Malaz island after being through with the shadow gods (Cotillion's word), possibly going TO Darujhistan.... what are the chances they will BOTH somehow end up in Kolanse?

[Tiste Simeon]

 Mentalist, on 26 October 2009 - 03:48 AM, said:

Cutter and Apsalar would be nice, and heartwarming, and it would feel right and all. but the logistics of the matter (he was last seen leaving Darujhistan, she was las seen leaving Malaz island after being through with the shadow gods (Cotillion's word), possibly going TO Darujhistan.... what are the chances they will BOTH somehow end up in Kolanse?

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Cutter and Apsalar playing a role in the finale would bookend the series quite nicely

My thought was that she wanted to disappear and that we wouldn't see her again. Cutter, maybe... And since when has Erikson done something that would wrap it up nicely? It would be more like him to make it seem like he would see her again, but then discover her corpse with no explanation as to how she died...

This post has been edited by Tiste Simeon: 27 October 2009 - 12:25 PM

[Hetan]

 Tiste Simeon, on 27 October 2009 - 12:24 PM, said:

 Mentalist, on 26 October 2009 - 03:48 AM, said:

Cutter and Apsalar would be nice, and heartwarming, and it would feel right and all. but the logistics of the matter (he was last seen leaving Darujhistan, she was las seen leaving Malaz island after being through with the shadow gods (Cotillion's word), possibly going TO Darujhistan.... what are the chances they will BOTH somehow end up in Kolanse?

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Cutter and Apsalar playing a role in the finale would bookend the series quite nicely

My thought was that she wanted to disappear and that we wouldn't see her again. Cutter, maybe... And since when has Erikson done something that would wrap it up nicely? It would be more like him to make it seem like he would see her again, but then discover her corpse with no explanation as to how she died...

I agree with Mentalist that I think Heboric has a part to play - freeing the Otataral dragon and the subsequent resurrection of Tiam.
I can see Gesler and Stormy and therefore the K'Chain joining up with the remnants of the Bonehunters, Perish et al.
I think Setoc will also feature along with Sinn and Grub, (she is Destriant to the Wolves of War after all).
I don't think we will see Kalam but will be very happy if we do.
I also don't think we will see Cutter, Karsa or Kallor.
Shadowthrone and Cotillion, the Hounds, Edgewalker and some eleint, including Telorast and Curdle.

These are just some random guesses

[Mentalist]

 Tiste Simeon, on 27 October 2009 - 12:24 PM, said:

 Mentalist, on 26 October 2009 - 03:48 AM, said:

Cutter and Apsalar would be nice, and heartwarming, and it would feel right and all. but the logistics of the matter (he was last seen leaving Darujhistan, she was las seen leaving Malaz island after being through with the shadow gods (Cotillion's word), possibly going TO Darujhistan.... what are the chances they will BOTH somehow end up in Kolanse?

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Cutter and Apsalar playing a role in the finale would bookend the series quite nicely

My thought was that she wanted to disappear and that we wouldn't see her again. Cutter, maybe... And since when has Erikson done something that would wrap it up nicely? It would be more like him to make it seem like he would see her again, but then discover her corpse with no explanation as to how she died...

i'm pretty sure that moonlit conversation in y'ghatan between her and Squint implied that she wasn't over Cutter and wanted to find him once all was said and done.

[Sinisdar Toste]

well last we heard apsalar was in malaz and cutter was leaving darujhistan... quite a distance, but there ain't no mountain high, aint no valley low, ain't no river wide you know... if you need me call me i'll be there in a hurry you don't have to worry... CUZ BABY THERE AIN'T- ok just kidding, but i'm expecting to see a lot of warren jumping going on in DoD, just to get some essential characters to the final battlefield. the master of the deck, par example

[A friendly Jaghut]

I expect the majority of it to be set in Lether.

Simply because the few characters that need to travel to the convergence, (assuming TCG follows the format set in the former books) can utilise warrens and other means of magical travel such as the Azath to get to the ultimate badassery in the Wastelands that centres around the largest piece of the Crippled God.

Unless TCG happens to be so amazing and all encompassing that it manages to make all the story-lines of each individual character started throughout the series finish in a way that leaves us humble readers with a sense of complete-ness and awe.

[Clip]

Remember how GotM threw you right into the story, with no background info, or any preparation at all? I think that tCG will do the same, and throw us out of the story just as abruptly as we entered it. Who says storylines have to be resolved.
And since it is a direct continuation from DoD, the setting will be the same, or very close to the same. ie. Wastelands south (I think) of Lether

This post has been edited by clip: 24 November 2009 - 06:53 PM

[Salk Elan]

I also think that the story virtually must geographically continue where it was cut in DoD. There are currently too many forces running around in that area for the story to simply veer away from this position.

As for the characters, I'd say Karsa, Cutter and Apsalar as well as Itkovian are definitely out.

Paran is for me not manipulative enough – especially compared to the Errant – to want to play an essential role in the coming events. This I think, in combination with the actual condition of the warrens, will efficiently prevent him doing something grave.

As for Kalam (to my eternal dismay , cause I never liked him), I agree with Mappo's Travelling Sack, he wasn't put into that Azath by Shadowthrone himself for naught. Would be a waste if he didn't join the finale.
(But maybe I'm lucky, and SE brings back Pearl as well… wouldn't be the first to rise from the dead. I know the odds for this happenig …. But I'll keep my fingers crossed none the less. )

 clip, on 24 November 2009 - 06:52 PM, said:

Remember how GotM threw you right into the story, with no background info, or any preparation at all? I think that tCG will do the same, and throw us out of the story just as abruptly as we entered it. Who says storylines have to be resolved.
And since it is a direct continuation from DoD, the setting will be the same, or very close to the same. ie. Wastelands south (I think) of Lether

I was under the impression, SE just did this at the end of DoD… pushing the humble reader completely off balance again.

 A friendly Jaghut, on 24 November 2009 - 10:20 AM, said:

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Unless TCG happens to be so amazing and all encompassing that it manages to make all the story-lines of each individual character started throughout the series finish in a way that leaves us humble readers with a sense of complete-ness and awe.

Could have spent the last ten years reading David Eddings or some such stuff, if SE now gained some unhealthy desire to definitely end story-lines, so let's not hope he does such a crazy thing…

[Lucky Revenant]

I would be just a little angry if I didn't have some feeling of resolution when I finish TCG. 

I'm also not sure if Cutter and Apsalar will be in it. I think Apsalar very well might, since I doubt Cotillion would be done with her before the Great Convergance that's supposed to happen. I see no reason for Cutter, though.

I think that, as Master of the Deck, Paran pretty much has to be there, whether he wants to be or not, so I think we'll be seeing him gain.

I also think that Heboric will likely be in TCG, judging by the prologue and that other passage that had him.

Most likely, at least a good chunk of it will be set on Lether. Maybe some in Kharkanas, since I don't remember any resolution being brought to the Shake/Mother Dark storyline.

I'm also really curious to see what's gonna happen with Silchas Ruin and Udinaas's son in TCG.

This post has been edited by Lucky Revenant: 21 February 2010 - 10:31 PM

[D'rek]

The beginning will probably have a bunch of perspectives from the Wastelands as the groups from DoD cross them and the desert/Elan plains beyond into Kolanse, which will be the principal location (they wouldn't have hyped it up so much in DoD otherwise). I'd expect maybe even a new PoV from already inside Kolanse before the folks we know start to arrive there (or maybe something like Shurq Elalle getting there before the armies). The other place we're likely to see is the IW with the OD getting released.

Sure, there's lots of characters we haven't seen in a while who will make an appearance, but they are just about all characters that could easily pop out of nowhere. Folks like Apsalar or Brood can pop out of a warren easily enough. If Crokus did show up, well he took a midnight boat going anywhere so it'd be easy enough for him (though potentially painful for the timeline). The only tough one might be Paran - we've seen him in some sort of stressful conflict from TtH, but we have no idea what, and he has the whole Host with him. I suppose he could perhaps draw a really enormous card and take the army through, but I expect something a bit more dramatic.

[Lucky Revenant]

I don't at all remember this stressful conflict, which doesn't mean I don't believe you, but only further reinforces my need to reread TtH. Maybe Paran and the Host are already in Kolanse? Pretty much impossible, of course. I wonder what the conflict might be, though.

[Tarcanus]

 Mentalist, on 26 October 2009 - 03:48 AM, said:

Cutter and Apsalar would be nice, and heartwarming, and it would feel right and all. but the logistics of the matter (he was last seen leaving Darujhistan, she was las seen leaving Malaz island after being through with the shadow gods (Cotillion's word), possibly going TO Darujhistan.... what are the chances they will BOTH somehow end up in Kolanse?

Drift Kolansii?

[worry]

It's gonna be Kolanse. But I suppose there can be other scenes anywhere there are pieces of the Crippled God.

I wager Karsa won't gather his army until about the time Grub becomes a sword-wielding adult.

I hope Kalam will make an appearance, perhaps reunited with QB in some sort of twisted (or heartwarming!) design of Shadowthrone's.

There is no way Ganoes and the Errant won't come to a head somehow, if just in a way that's unpredictable.

I think for the most part, for the finale, the close misses are gonna be avoided.

[geNESis]

And with the penchant for storylines going completely sideways we don't even know who's going to end up which side yet, I just don't expect it to turn out how we think it will.

Though i wonder if we'll find oout what's up with Tool's son and his secret Imass name, Absi Kire (Autumn Promise), especially with Banaschar and Tayschrenn both being High Preists of D'rek. And D'rek's oppossition of the CG.