[Wampyry]

Kityhawk, on 20 October 2009 - 03:13 PM, said:

Firstly I'd just like to say I think Steven Erikson is a brilliant fanasty wirter one of the best in recent years. But.......

That whole romance between Paran and Tattersail totally didn't work for me. I liked the two chracters but it all happened way too fast. I mean they had only just met and two minutes later they are having sex and talking like Romeo and Juliet. I can't remember exact quotes (and correct me if I'm wrong) but I'm sure there is some point when Tattersail says to him that she's never felt like this about anyone before, or something to that effect. Not to mention the fact that her old lover Calot was only killed about a week or so before all this. I'm not an overly romantic person but that seems pretty cold to me. I mean the guy isn't even cold (of course he is in the physical sense), and already she jumping into bed with some other guy and telling him he's the only one who ever rocked her world.

Maybe I'm exaggerating a bit but that was the major flaw in the book for me. Their romance should either have had more of a build up or been... well more about sex and conforting each other than actaul Romance.

But that's just my opinion. What do you think?

Don't know if this should be spoilered or not. Better safe than castrated

Spoiler

The romance was necessary. Tayschrenn was grooming Tattersail to be Master of the Deck. When she became a group the grooming passed to someone with whom she had an emotional attachment and was nearby - Paran.

This post has been edited by Wampyry: 20 October 2009 - 04:03 PM

[haroos]

Wampyry, on 20 October 2009 - 03:27 PM, said:

Kityhawk, on 20 October 2009 - 03:13 PM, said:

Firstly I'd just like to say I think Steven Erikson is a brilliant fanasty wirter one of the best in recent years. But.......

That whole romance between Paran and Tattersail totally didn't work for me. I liked the two chracters but it all happened way too fast. I mean they had only just met and two minutes later they are having sex and talking like Romeo and Juliet. I can't remember exact quotes (and correct me if I'm wrong) but I'm sure there is some point when Tattersail says to him that she's never felt like this about anyone before, or something to that effect. Not to mention the fact that her old lover Calot was only killed about a week or so before all this. I'm not an overly romantic person but that seems pretty cold to me. I mean the guy isn't even cold (of course he is in the physical sense), and already she jumping into bed with some other guy and telling him he's the only one who ever rocked her world.

Maybe I'm exaggerating a bit but that was the major flaw in the book for me. Their romance should either have had more of a build up or been... well more about sex and conforting each other than actaul Romance.

But that's just my opinion. What do you think?

Don't know if this should be spoilered or not. Better safe than castrated

Spoiler

The romance was necessary. Tayschrenn was grooming Tattersail to be Master of the Deck. When she became a group the grooming passed to someone with whom she had an emotional attachment and was nearby - Paran.

where is this coming from ?
to be honest I barely remember that scene between them (not details i mean), but the grooming part ?

[HoosierDaddy]

What's wrong with random boot knocking? Plus, he did save her life from the Hound of Shadow....

[Sinisdar Toste]

actual quote from that section, "Despite the distrust between us, I'm feeling things for you i haven't felt for anyone in - well, in some time."

so it's not like she's proclaimed him her soul mate, she's just surprised that paran is bringing out such intimate feelings in her despite all the things that should be keeping her form intimacy, including calots death

[beru]

whe have been in the army a loong time, she proably know just how to puss sorrow away from her and embrace (in this setting quite litraly) life and mourn later, if at all

[D'rek]

Well apparently she was sleeping with Calot out of boredom. For Ganoes I think the main development of the bond was from the two of them alternatingly looking after each other. That and his initial complete pouring out his own intents and emotions when she revealed how Lorn would betray his interests made an impact on her and it was love-at-first-deadly-accusation.

[iktaral pust]

Kityhawk, on 21 October 2009 - 09:01 AM, said:

D, on 21 October 2009 - 02:02 AM, said:

Well apparently she was sleeping with Calot out of boredom. For Ganoes I think the main development of the bond was from the two of them alternatingly looking after each other. That and his initial complete pouring out his own intents and emotions when she revealed how Lorn would betray his interests made an impact on her and it was love-at-first-deadly-accusation.

Lol If only we could all be as fortunate

SPOILER

Spoiler

youl see in memories of ice that it is not as a basic romance as you think

[D'rek]

iktaral pust, on 23 October 2009 - 06:54 AM, said:

Kityhawk, on 21 October 2009 - 09:01 AM, said:

D, on 21 October 2009 - 02:02 AM, said:

Well apparently she was sleeping with Calot out of boredom. For Ganoes I think the main development of the bond was from the two of them alternatingly looking after each other. That and his initial complete pouring out his own intents and emotions when she revealed how Lorn would betray his interests made an impact on her and it was love-at-first-deadly-accusation.

Lol If only we could all be as fortunate

SPOILER

Spoiler

youl see in memories of ice that it is not as a basic romance as you think

I disagree. In the same way that if event A occurs after event B, A is not necessarily caused by event B, I think Tattersail and Paran could just actually have had strong feelings for each other and all that other, later stuff happens to occur.

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Or in some cases occurs *because* of their feelings, rather than them feeling because of that stuff. being deliberately vague here of course to reduce spoilers...

[boesjwoelie]

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Well apparently she was sleeping with Calot out of boredom

that's not true, it says in the book she tells herself this, but is was a lot more.

[Osserc - Lord of the Sky]

i actually thought that the relationship between tattersail and paran was a good idea.

but i DO agree with all the fact that they had just met, and then 2 minutes later they had sex was too fast and random.

[Raymond Luxury Yacht]

It wasn't the best exacution of a love story I had ever read. It seems a little forced and rushed, like a DM in a game of D&D just saying "Oh yeah, those two NPCs are in love and stuff."

[ritchiediaz]

One thing to consider is that Tattersail is portrayed in GOTM to exude a kind of sensual 'pull' on men, despite many references to her plumpness.

I've read GOTM many times now, and nearly everyone that interacts with Tattersail more or less comments that the find her sexually attractive.


It always struck me that Tattersail maybe had some subliminal Mockra going on that even she wasn't aware of - of course there are people in real life that are simply very 'sexy', and it's just as likely that she was simply magnetic - the fact that she also obviously liked sex as well added top it.

I never really seen Tattersail and Paran as much of a 'Romance' per se, until after Paran complicated what was initially animal attraction pure and simple.

Take on those terms, it works fine for me.

[Obdigore]

Raymond Luxury Yacht, on 29 December 2009 - 04:46 AM, said:

It wasn't the best exacution of a love story I had ever read. It seems a little forced and rushed, like a DM in a game of D&D just saying "Oh yeah, those two NPCs are in love and stuff."

What, you need a 15 minute backstory about the butcher and his wooing of his wife... the butcheress?

They both felt alone. Sexual attraction. They helped each other. I'm not sure I see anything wrong with a man who has been on a mission for years away from his family, who just got told he is going to be betrayed by everything he believes in, and a woman who just lost all her friends deciding to knock slippers and military issue boots.

Especially when they are both helping each other

[maro]

It's pretty much on the money. High Stress situations usually lead to some "Action"

[Juvenis]

Spoiler

The romance was necessary. Tayschrenn was grooming Tattersail to be Master of the Deck. When she became a group the grooming passed to someone with whom she had an emotional attachment and was nearby - Paran.

...uhh, what?
Someone asked for clarification a few posts ago as well, but I didn't see any. Also, if this is from GotM then spoilers aren't needed are they?


As far as the romance is concerned, I thought it was pretty mediocre. But I'm not expecting SE to be all that good about writing romantic material, and its believability doesn't concern me much. I just think, "okay so they got a pretty deep thing, cool," and leave it at that.

[Wampyry]

Juvenis, on 30 December 2009 - 11:21 PM, said:

Spoiler

The romance was necessary. Tayschrenn was grooming Tattersail to be Master of the Deck. When she became a group the grooming passed to someone with whom she had an emotional attachment and was nearby - Paran.

...uhh, what?
Someone asked for clarification a few posts ago as well, but I didn't see any. Also, if this is from GotM then spoilers aren't needed are they?


As far as the romance is concerned, I thought it was pretty mediocre. But I'm not expecting SE to be all that good about writing romantic material, and its believability doesn't concern me much. I just think, "okay so they got a pretty deep thing, cool," and leave it at that.

In my opinion the romance was nothing more than a building block by Erikson to establish an emotional attachment between Tattersail and Paran.Later the grooming of Tattersail by Tayschrenn to become Master of the Deck was passed to Paran because of the quick romance and the emotional attachment it created.