[Hood's Path]

I saw a couple interesting points reading trough Galain's posts (new forum's all-post thing sucks major ass by the way). He does respond to Barghast's symping, twice in fact, and he has a possibly revealing speculation on strategy.

Galain said:

Bargy/symp case
I had been hoping people would see it the same way Tellan and I have seen it and would let the noob live a day or two. But alas I will be adding my vote tohis train later more than likely. I don't think it's symping in any form. I don't think the players knows enough about how to play at that.

Galain said:

[responding to Tellan's comment about denying Barghast's sympage]

That is a no win scenario and you know it.
I don't know if we are on the same team at this point, but it was so blatant that even I went "WTF"? Why he jumped like that? I will not know until I read spoilers. My money is he is new and thinks that is how we lynch people. He doesn't know to be cautious when deciding to get on a lynch train,and to have a reason to follow a case.

So he denies that Barghast is symping, or at least brushes it off as horrible n00b behaviour. Plausible enough, I guess. I'm curious though, were you willing to let beru live a day or two as well Tellan? IIRC,you jumped on the connection from the get go. Although I don't think you voted for him.


He does stay true to his word though:

Galain said:

I have to leave for a few hours so I am going to move my vote.

remove vote/ vote barghast

here's hoping he's not on my team.

Last line could be a distancing tactic. As could all of his previous statements have been though, I suppose.


Like I said though, his comment on strategy was possibly revealing, depending on how you look at it.

Galain said:

As to strategy? I would always think the killers must be top priority. I look at it this way, even if I'm recruited I have a chance to win. There is no chance if the killers pick me off.

That and The Cullens. Just on principals

So, I think it is fairly safe to assume the two scum teams(evil vampires and the coven) are killer factions. Destroying both of them is a victory condition for the Cullens.

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Cullens - Eliminate the Evil Vampires, the Coven andall original members of the Queleti

So you could view the joke as being a distancing tactic from that particular faction, and the whole thing as trying to appear town. I hate it because of the infuriating spelling of the word 'principles', but that's just me. Couple that with the fact that beru turned out to be a vampire...I dunno, like I said, it is made complicated by beru's lack of subtlety. Either way though, we hit a Cullen or scum, so good result for town in any case.

EDIT: damn copying leaves out spaces.

This post has been edited by Hood's Path: 23 October 2009 - 02:51 AM

[Galain]

I have mixed feelings on that lynch.

For one, I'm pissed we killed a noob on their first day, AGAIN.

Second I'm glad we hit the Cullen faction.

Third, I am not too happy to be linked to them with the symping charge.

Tomorrow is going to suck. No pun intended.

[Hood's Path]

Galain, on 23 October 2009 - 02:49 AM, said:

I have mixed feelings on that lynch.

For one, I'm pissed we killed a noob on their first day, AGAIN.

Second I'm glad we hit the Cullen faction.

Third, I am not too happy to be linked to them with the symping charge.

Tomorrow is going to suck. No pun intended.

Yes, a shame we killed a n00b, but it was his fault, I guess.

[Hood's Path]

I'm gonna go have some lunch, be back in a bit.

[Ampelas]

Yeah it sucks to be a noob in Malazan mafia. Thought it was a bit harsh myself, but hey hard to argue with results.

[Telas]

Nice first day result, although I still think it's pretty much 50/50 so not too surprised. The question is, was Beru trying to symp and just failed or was he just trying to help add votes and exposed himself in the process? Galain is 50/50, and he did vote Beru, so really we have to try and figure out if Beru was a major or minor member of the faction.

[Tellan]

quick check indicates he was one of the Cullens on the Coven's "to kill" list, which is different from 'the Cullens" on the Evil Vampire list.

meaning, he may be a pretty major character.

as for me, HP, if you'd look, I was voting for Galain, because it makes more sense to vote for master then a symp.

based onthe important chars on the Coven's hitlist, that would make Galain Edward.

if that's true, i feel sorry for him.

[Telas]

K according to the wikipedia... (including a spoiler quote that is not important if you care about that stuff).

Carlisle Cullen (also known as Stregone Benefice[2]) is Esme's husband and Edward, Rosalie, Emmett, Alice, and Jasper's adoptive father

Carlisle has had centuries to perfect his medicinal talents, therefore making him an excellent doctor.

Throughout the Twilight saga, Carlisle works as a doctor, acting as the coven leader and offering medical advice and help when

Spoiler

Bella is pregnant in Breaking Dawn.

[Telas]

Just based on THAT piece of information, it could indicate Carlisle was the faction leader and Beru just foolishly exposed himself with that vote. The only other person that strikes me as a possible faction leader would be Edward, since he's a major character and listed with Carlisle in the Coven's VCs. That would make Galain Edward if that was the case.

So, which was it?

[Telas]

Also, just something else from the OP...

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During the course you may become Wounded. A Wounded player cannot perform most actions until the next end of an Epilogue. During the Book following that Epilogue, they may choose to seek Treatment from a doctor. If they do (and if a doctor is available), they are immediately cured of their Woundedness, but the doctor will also learn their character name and species. If they do not seek Treatment, they will remain Wounded and unable to perform most actions until after the following end of an Epilogue.

To seek Treatment, send a PM to the mods (and please indicate you're seeking treatment in the subject line so we can get to it ASAP).

The language is intentionally vague, as if there may be more than one doctor available in the game. Could be Carlisle was one of them.

[Galain]

Everyone who just called me Edward had better not be coming to Chicago.:hulk:

[Ampelas]

I'd go with more than one doctor from that reading as well. At least the possiblity is open.

I probably need to go back and reread what happened, but I don't recall a lot of resistance to the Barghast lynch so that would imply to me that he wasn't the leader of the faction. If he was following his faction leaders lead and voted with Galain and since he was a noob didn't realise we'd all take that as obvious symping, is I guess what we try and work out tomorrow.

[Hood's Path]

Well, beru may have majorly fucked his team if Carlisle is the faction leader. Would D'rek give him a leader role in his first game though? Or perhaps they're randomly assigned, I dunno. Still, bad result for the Cullens, and it probably removes a doctor, which could give a faction the upper hand (werewolves maybe?).

[Tellan]

I'd think that helps every faction, except the Cullens, according to the OP.

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Town - Eliminate the Cullens, Queleti and all Killers.

Cullens - Eliminate the Evil Vampires, the Coven and all original members of the Queleti

Queleti - Eliminate the Town, and all original members of the Cullens

Evil Vampires - Kill the Cullens, Werewolves, Coven and Bella Swan

Coven - Kill Edward Cullen, Carlisle Cullen, Jacob Black, Billy Black, Charlie Swan, Bella Swan and Renesmee Swan.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Epilogue 1. 4 hours, 11 minutes remaining.

19 players still alive: Alkend, Ampelas, D'riss, Emurlahn, Eloth, Galain, Hood's Path, Kaschan, Kessobahn, Korvalain, Meanas, Mockra, Olar Ethil, Omtose, Ruse, Serc, Silanah,Telas, Tellan



D'rek here, noting that this new forums glitch of deleting spaces when you copy+paste is really, really annoying for mafia

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 23 October 2009 - 03:41 AM

[Ampelas]

Roles are randomly assigned so he could have been faction leader. Maybe someone who knows the books can tell us about Carlisle and Edward and who is the more likely leader.

[Tellan]

I have no knowledge of the books whatsoever.

but, based on common sense, both are likely.

we know Carlisle was important, b/c he's specifically on the Coven hit list, which is more specific then the Evil vamps.
he's Ed's father, so in any normal vampire story, that'd make him "the leader"

however, I think D'rek mentioned somewhere (mod thread?) that humans, cullens and werewolves will all be trying to get Bella on their side, so in light of just that, Edward may have been made the leader here.

either way, if Galain is edward, it would make sense for his farther to know him, or vice versa.

[Hood's Path]

Tellan, on 23 October 2009 - 03:39 AM, said:

I'd think that helps every faction, except the Cullens, according to the OP.

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Town - Eliminate the Cullens, Queleti and all Killers.

Cullens - Eliminate the Evil Vampires, the Coven and all original members of the Queleti

Queleti - Eliminate the Town, and all original members of the Cullens

Evil Vampires - Kill the Cullens, Werewolves, Coven and Bella Swan

Coven - Kill Edward Cullen, Carlisle Cullen, Jacob Black, Billy Black, Charlie Swan, Bella Swan and Renesmee Swan.

I meant that characters could be wounded and lose the ability of a doctor if all the doctors are dead. I just looked at a list of Twilight characters (God help me) and I can't see any others who could be doctors, although there are probably more. Healers could be doctors as well. But if that ability to cure being wounded is lost, whoever does the wounding will be able to stop people committing actions for two days.

[Hood's Path]

Anyway, I have a gf who I must pay attention to, so I'm out for a while.

[Path-Shaper]

Ampelas, on 23 October 2009 - 03:41 AM, said:

Roles are randomly assigned so he could have been faction leader. Maybe someone who knows the books can tell us about Carlisle and Edward and who is the more likely leader.

Why someone who knows the books? It's not like I've read them so there's unlikely to be any hidden info in them that I've used (though I do have a lot of friends who have read them)...