[Galain]

Tellan, on 22 October 2009 - 08:54 PM, said:

Galain, on 22 October 2009 - 08:49 PM, said:

Eloth, on 22 October 2009 - 07:12 PM, said:

@ Galain: I recognize the sentiment about recruitment, but a (limited) cult (oh shit, he mentions the c**t word) gets progressively stronger while weakening the town and are able to divert lynches at times, which is towns tool to dispose of scum, whereas killers keep the same strength throughout the game. It really is choosing between two evils, but I think when we encountered the problem of killers AND cult in the past, we usually went for killers first, and usually, after that, the cult won as their numbers weren't culled.

Also: eh? what? You usually win when your faction wins, sir, whether you are dead or alive, so your statement is rather strange.

Not if they are all dead, or weakened so bad as to be unable to meet a win condition. I think you need to reread the rule for this game.

are you implying you are your faction's power role?

What?

[Silanah]

If people think Barghast is symping, why not vote for the supposed master? Or have I misinterpreted and people think he's fake symping? But there is reason to vote for Barghast nontheless, because he doesn't seem to have an opinion of his own at all, which if he's not scum is very unhelpful to say the least. But then, that could be said about almost anyone jumping on trains, except they don't do it so blatantly. People have said that it's a newbie mistake, and I am actually not even sure if there's anyone playing that would constitute as being that much of a newbie. The blatant obvious agreeing on a convenient vote - and not even giving an opinion if his own, makes me raise an eyebrow, hell even both.

[Tellan]

Galain, on 22 October 2009 - 09:04 PM, said:

Tellan, on 22 October 2009 - 08:54 PM, said:

Galain, on 22 October 2009 - 08:49 PM, said:

Eloth, on 22 October 2009 - 07:12 PM, said:

@ Galain: I recognize the sentiment about recruitment, but a (limited) cult (oh shit, he mentions the c**t word) gets progressively stronger while weakening the town and are able to divert lynches at times, which is towns tool to dispose of scum, whereas killers keep the same strength throughout the game. It really is choosing between two evils, but I think when we encountered the problem of killers AND cult in the past, we usually went for killers first, and usually, after that, the cult won as their numbers weren't culled.

Also: eh? what? You usually win when your faction wins, sir, whether you are dead or alive, so your statement is rather strange.

Not if they are all dead, or weakened so bad as to be unable to meet a win condition. I think you need to reread the rule for this game.

are you implying you are your faction's power role?

What?

your post to me reads "if I die, my faction will lose, so let's focus on removing the killers"

[Tellan]

Silanah, on 22 October 2009 - 09:04 PM, said:

If people think Barghast is symping, why not vote for the supposed master? Or have I misinterpreted and people think he's fake symping? But there is reason to vote for Barghast nontheless, because he doesn't seem to have an opinion of his own at all, which if he's not scum is very unhelpful to say the least. But then, that could be said about almost anyone jumping on trains, except they don't do it so blatantly. People have said that it's a newbie mistake, and I am actually not even sure if there's anyone playing that would constitute as being that much of a newbie. The blatant obvious agreeing on a convenient vote - and not even giving an opinion if his own, makes me raise an eyebrow, hell even both.

thank you, at least i'm not the only one who noticed that.

as for newbs... yeah, we have at least one.

[Silanah]

Galain, Omtose did mention that he was a bit paranoid himself.

At this point I think it's safe to assume that Omtose and Galain are in two different factions. So what do we do with that assumption? Tbh this feels like playing dice blindfolded. But right now I am thinking both Galain and Omtose is being way too obvious for scum, and that Barghast is either a very bad symp or a scum trying to make a target. But it's definitely like playing dice.

[Meanas]

Hi there, I'm studying for a history midterm tomorrow and don't really have time to focus on thread. Is there any concise and persuasive reason why I should lay down a vote on Barghast, or really on anyone, before I hit the books for the rest of the day?

[Galain]

Tellan, on 22 October 2009 - 09:09 PM, said:

Galain, on 22 October 2009 - 09:04 PM, said:

Tellan, on 22 October 2009 - 08:54 PM, said:

Galain, on 22 October 2009 - 08:49 PM, said:

Eloth, on 22 October 2009 - 07:12 PM, said:

@ Galain: I recognize the sentiment about recruitment, but a (limited) cult (oh shit, he mentions the c**t word) gets progressively stronger while weakening the town and are able to divert lynches at times, which is towns tool to dispose of scum, whereas killers keep the same strength throughout the game. It really is choosing between two evils, but I think when we encountered the problem of killers AND cult in the past, we usually went for killers first, and usually, after that, the cult won as their numbers weren't culled.

Also: eh? what? You usually win when your faction wins, sir, whether you are dead or alive, so your statement is rather strange.

Not if they are all dead, or weakened so bad as to be unable to meet a win condition. I think you need to reread the rule for this game.

are you implying you are your faction's power role?

What?

your post to me reads "if I die, my faction will lose, so let's focus on removing the killers"

Where do you get that from? I honestly don't see it.

[Tellan]

Galain, on 22 October 2009 - 09:12 PM, said:

Tellan, on 22 October 2009 - 09:09 PM, said:

Galain, on 22 October 2009 - 09:04 PM, said:

Tellan, on 22 October 2009 - 08:54 PM, said:

Galain, on 22 October 2009 - 08:49 PM, said:

Eloth, on 22 October 2009 - 07:12 PM, said:

@ Galain: I recognize the sentiment about recruitment, but a (limited) cult (oh shit, he mentions the c**t word) gets progressively stronger while weakening the town and are able to divert lynches at times, which is towns tool to dispose of scum, whereas killers keep the same strength throughout the game. It really is choosing between two evils, but I think when we encountered the problem of killers AND cult in the past, we usually went for killers first, and usually, after that, the cult won as their numbers weren't culled.

Also: eh? what? You usually win when your faction wins, sir, whether you are dead or alive, so your statement is rather strange.

Not if they are all dead, or weakened so bad as to be unable to meet a win condition. I think you need to reread the rule for this game.

are you implying you are your faction's power role?

What?

your post to me reads "if I die, my faction will lose, so let's focus on removing the killers"

Where do you get that from? I honestly don't see it.

Underlined part is first half.
the killers thing is in your previous post, which is on the last page, and that's the post Eloth was originally responding to.

[Tellan]

Meanas, on 22 October 2009 - 09:10 PM, said:

Hi there, I'm studying for a history midterm tomorrow and don't really have time to focus on thread. Is there any concise and persuasive reason why I should lay down a vote on Barghast, or really on anyone, before I hit the books for the rest of the day?

Barg blatantly symped Galain and left with out an explanation.

because it was so blatant, people are suspectign fake-sympage and are voting him, instead of Galain.

[Alkend]

Meanas, on 22 October 2009 - 09:10 PM, said:

Hi there, I'm studying for a history midterm tomorrow and don't really have time to focus on thread. Is there any concise and persuasive reason why I should lay down a vote on Barghast, or really on anyone, before I hit the books for the rest of the day?

Barghast acted shiftily in a rather obvious symping move when Galain voted for Omtose. Arguments for voting for him are either that he's fake symping Galain or he's actually symping Galain and is just failing horribly at hiding it. The route taken at the moment seems to be he's probably scum either way, so we should lynch him. It's not a particularly strong case, but it is day 1, so probably as good as we are going to get.

[Galain]

Quote

Underlined part is first half.
the killers thing is in your previous post, which is on the last page, and that's the post Eloth was originally responding to.

I see what you did there, but am not making a connection to me having a power role.

I'm going by what is in the opening posts of the game. Am I missing something obvious?

[Tellan]

Galain, on 22 October 2009 - 09:21 PM, said:

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Underlined part is first half.
the killers thing is in your previous post, which is on the last page, and that's the post Eloth was originally responding to.

I see what you did there, but am not making a connection to me having a power role.

I'm going by what is in the opening posts of the game. Am I missing something obvious?

dunno, it's day 1, I might be reading too much into it.

I do notice you've made no attempts to deny that Bargy was symping you, however.

[Alkend]

Alkend, on 22 October 2009 - 09:20 PM, said:

Meanas, on 22 October 2009 - 09:10 PM, said:

Hi there, I'm studying for a history midterm tomorrow and don't really have time to focus on thread. Is there any concise and persuasive reason why I should lay down a vote on Barghast, or really on anyone, before I hit the books for the rest of the day?

Barghast acted shiftily in a rather obvious symping move when Galain voted for Omtose. Arguments for voting for him are either that he's fake symping Galain or he's actually symping Galain and is just failing horribly at hiding it. The route taken at the moment seems to be he's probably scum either way, so we should lynch him. It's not a particularly strong case, but it is day 1, so probably as good as we are going to get.

Or of course, he could just really have agreed with Galain and be completely innocent, in which case, the words you idiot come to mind.

[Eloth]

Galain, on 22 October 2009 - 09:12 PM, said:

Tellan, on 22 October 2009 - 09:09 PM, said:

Galain, on 22 October 2009 - 09:04 PM, said:

Tellan, on 22 October 2009 - 08:54 PM, said:

Galain, on 22 October 2009 - 08:49 PM, said:

Eloth, on 22 October 2009 - 07:12 PM, said:

@ Galain: I recognize the sentiment about recruitment, but a (limited) cult (oh shit, he mentions the c**t word) gets progressively stronger while weakening the town and are able to divert lynches at times, which is towns tool to dispose of scum, whereas killers keep the same strength throughout the game. It really is choosing between two evils, but I think when we encountered the problem of killers AND cult in the past, we usually went for killers first, and usually, after that, the cult won as their numbers weren't culled.

Also: eh? what? You usually win when your faction wins, sir, whether you are dead or alive, so your statement is rather strange.

Not if they are all dead, or weakened so bad as to be unable to meet a win condition. I think you need to reread the rule for this game.

are you implying you are your faction's power role?

What?

your post to me reads "if I die, my faction will lose, so let's focus on removing the killers"

Where do you get that from? I honestly don't see it.

Gotta agree with Galain here, it doesn't read to me like that. It more or less reads: 'If a supposed power player on my team gets taken down, I'll play to get recruited.' added to that is the thought: 'so that I can win.' We've had discussions like that in the past when it came to cult games, and it kind of screws factions over when one or two pawns lose faith and start playing for themselves rather than for their faction.

If he meant that thought goes for this game, it means he's probably recruitable and that means he's unlikely (or possibly wanting to pretend he's unlikely) to be a cullen/ werewolf and probably not coven or evil vamp either as I guess those factions don't have a lot of low power roles without town becoming a farce numberswise.

Him being lowpowered does not fit exactly with barghy symping him, though. I know I didn't apply my question solely to this game, however, seeing how I mentioned going for cult or killers firstusually, and it may be he answered in kind.

[Galain]

Tellan, on 22 October 2009 - 09:23 PM, said:

Galain, on 22 October 2009 - 09:21 PM, said:

Quote

Underlined part is first half.
the killers thing is in your previous post, which is on the last page, and that's the post Eloth was originally responding to.

I see what you did there, but am not making a connection to me having a power role.

I'm going by what is in the opening posts of the game. Am I missing something obvious?

dunno, it's day 1, I might be reading too much into it.

I do notice you've made no attempts to deny that Bargy was symping you, however.

That is a no win scenario and you know it.
I don't know if we are on the same team at this point, but it was so blatant that even I went "WTF"? Why he jumped like that? I will not know until I read spoilers. My money is he is new and thinks that is how we lynch people. He doesn't know to be cautious when deciding to get on a lynch train, and to have a reason to follow a case.

[Alkend]

Huh, I disagree, it does read a little like he's suggesting killing him would weaken his faction significantly so they can't win, might just be my paranoia though, this is Mafia after all.

[Tellan]

Alkend, on 22 October 2009 - 09:25 PM, said:

Alkend, on 22 October 2009 - 09:20 PM, said:

Meanas, on 22 October 2009 - 09:10 PM, said:

Hi there, I'm studying for a history midterm tomorrow and don't really have time to focus on thread. Is there any concise and persuasive reason why I should lay down a vote on Barghast, or really on anyone, before I hit the books for the rest of the day?

Barghast acted shiftily in a rather obvious symping move when Galain voted for Omtose. Arguments for voting for him are either that he's fake symping Galain or he's actually symping Galain and is just failing horribly at hiding it. The route taken at the moment seems to be he's probably scum either way, so we should lynch him. It's not a particularly strong case, but it is day 1, so probably as good as we are going to get.

Or of course, he could just really have agreed with Galain and be completely innocent, in which case, the words you idiot come to mind.

I can say with 95% confidence that he's new, lol
innocent is a different story, once again, the whole 6 faction thing makes it less likely.

[Tellan]

Alkend, on 22 October 2009 - 09:32 PM, said:

Huh, I disagree, it does read a little like he's suggesting killing him would weaken his faction significantly so they can't win, might just be my paranoia though, this is Mafia after all.

If you REALLY wanna go all-out paranoia, it seems like Eloth is trying to subtly divert attention from his master Galain, ZOMG

*/extreme paranoia mode*

[Kessobahn]

Then again all out paranoia is both the best and worst way to play anyway.

As for the posts so far, not many jump out as incredibly dubious just yet but band wagon jumping is my favorite kind of wagon jumping, so,

vote Barghast

[Tellan]

wow, that incredibly non-commital...scum, anyone,