[Mockra]

Since it seems to be a point of discussion- This is the post I was refering to. By your own logic Telas you ruled out Coven and Killer vamp. In this quote, (it happens before the Alkend death) he clearly assumes that Billy and Jacob are linked as the WW leaders. No pressure, just a casual statement. I would think the WW's would know who their leaders are and unless he was being extremely sneaky... to me it is a 95% chance he isn't a WW which is where your case is going. And I never said it PI'd him. show me the quote. I said it eliminated him from one faction. It happened to be the faction you are trying to pin on him.

remove vote

since there has been no counter reveal. That being said, I'd still like to hear why Emur hasn't given us his name.What cound it hurt? Sorry if I am still skeptical. But Emur's reveal doesn't fit in my head. He claims That last night's kill was by a werewolf. But the CF said Alkend was killed by bites. Isn't that the Vampire way to kill people? If a WW kills someone I would assume their body would be ripped to shreds maybe missing some limbs. Emur why do you assume it was a WW kill?

Kessobahn, on 26 October 2009 - 07:48 PM, said:

Serc, on 26 October 2009 - 07:14 PM, said:

bybitten/seduced i took that to mean if they try to recruit him theyll bewounded but a kill would work as neither would have to bite him due tohaving super strength (i assume unless Twilights butchered that as wellpublic/style_emoticons/darkset/o.gif )

This.Also, the only factions that need to kill only the original werewolvesare the Cullens, and assuming Jacob and Billy are the only two, theCoven. I believe Omtose's reveal, mostly because it fits in with theoverall tone of the game, and partly because it still leaves him opento vig kills, night kills and lynches. Presumably they run him overwith a coach instead of biting him.

[Emurlahn]

Causer the only name I have is The Mayor.

[Telas]

I completely disagree with the assessment that claiming Jacob and Billy are leaders somehow makes you likely not a werewolf. That's inferred from the setup and Coven VCs.

I think Emur is fairly confused about the attack from last night because I completely agree that it had to have been caused by Vampires. I'm pretty sure I even said just that, too.

[Ampelas]

Well unfortunately I haven't had the time to reread any of the cases, I will be back a couple hours before lynch though.

As for the case on me, vote hopping, wanting anyone lynched? I hadn't even voted Omtose and wasn't on the train. Why the fuck wouldn't I lynch Omtose if I was scum, its clear he wouldn't have been in my faction since he appears to be in his own faction of some sort or a faction of two as Coven, and there was a bunch of votes on him and a reasonable case. Korvs whole case is wrong to start with - perhaps you need to go back and reread Silanah. You suddenly seem certain of peoples guilt or innocence on unreliable evidence, I don't recall you doing fuck all all game till now, i'm starting to wonder if your not scum trying to run things now.


Also I voted Olar because Omtose had a unbelievably nonesence reveal about being some sort of Bisexual Zombie which sounded utter rubbish. And lo and behold it was true. And you say I jumped the gun, but i'm sorry Omtose CF wasn't a scum faction, he wasn't Vampire, Cullen, Werewolf or Coven (at the time). So if he's not scum and everything else he had said had been true, why not believe him about the rest? Why would a non scum be lying if everything else he said comes up true?

[Telas]

I'm trying to not be single minded right now in the interest of diplomacy and ensuring a good lynch, but here's the current tally.

1 vote Mockra (Emurlahn)
3 votes Kessobahn (Olar Ethil, Telas, D'riss)
1 vote Ampelas (Silanah)

There is doubt about Emur's reveal, but he currently doesn't have any votes. Emur's case on Mockra is he thinks Mockra tried to kill him and is now pushing a lynch case. The case on Ampelas seems old and stale TBH (from Day 2?). My Kesso case is the only one with any real votes, so if other options are going to be presented, now is probably a good time to do so. Several people have said they would be on later before the lynch, but that starts to get into speed lynching territory.

[Emurlahn]

I see that I'm not going to succeed in my lynch.

Remove Vote

[Kaschan]

Mockra, on 29 October 2009 - 03:36 PM, said:

Since it seems to be a point of discussion- This is the post I was refering to. By your own logic Telas you ruled out Coven and Killer vamp. In this quote, (it happens before the Alkend death) he clearly assumes that Billy and Jacob are linked as the WW leaders. No pressure, just a casual statement. I would think the WW's would know who their leaders are and unless he was being extremely sneaky... to me it is a 95% chance he isn't a WW which is where your case is going. And I never said it PI'd him. show me the quote. I said it eliminated him from one faction. It happened to be the faction you are trying to pin on him.

*snip Emurlahn discussion*

Kessobahn, on 26 October 2009 - 07:48 PM, said:

Serc, on 26 October 2009 - 07:14 PM, said:

bybitten/seduced i took that to mean if they try to recruit him theyll bewounded but a kill would work as neither would have to bite him due tohaving super strength (i assume unless Twilights butchered that as wellpublic/style_emoticons/darkset/o.gif )

This.Also, the only factions that need to kill only the original werewolvesare the Cullens, and assuming Jacob and Billy are the only two, theCoven. I believe Omtose's reveal, mostly because it fits in with theoverall tone of the game, and partly because it still leaves him opento vig kills, night kills and lynches. Presumably they run him overwith a coach instead of biting him.

This wasn't actually what I was thinking of as far as PIing Kesso goes. I think it's probably time to go and find it, give me a second.

[Kaschan]

Emurlahn, on 29 October 2009 - 05:14 PM, said:

I see that I'm not going to succeed in my lynch.

Remove Vote

Actually, I quite liked your case. Mockra definitely does lay down a big, impressive looking case early in the morning and backs it up with "I'm pretty sure about this one." Given your reveal, that fits pretty well with what happened. I was considering voting for Mockra before you removed.

[Emurlahn]

THinking about it, I rather push my Mockra case than follow another one.

Vote Mockra

[Telas]

Can you elaborate on PIing Kesso then, Kaschan?

[Kaschan]

Quote

I think Omtose's reveal was real, but since he's startedgivinginformation we may not have a choice in lynching him. If he'sreally abi-sexual zombie and in the town faction then he'd havementioned that clearly, if he's his own group then he'll probably benight killed or lynched with little loss to any faction, and we candecide which scum team Olar's on. Ifhe's scum then it'll be good to have him dead, it'll put Olar somewhatin the clear butfuck me over completely with the lying about the info. Unless he hasthis bar ability and is scum at the same time, which would be crazy.

vote Omtose

Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but prior to this noone even hinted at the possibility that Omtose would be in a separate faction. Ergo, Kessobahn knew this before Omtose got modkilled. So given that Omtose claimed Kessobahn was in the bar Night 1, I conclude that Kesso and Omtose became lovers that night. This means that Kesso doesn't have a NA, or at least if he does didn't use it on Night 1.

Also, the fact that Omtose was in a separate group isn't something that should really concern scum - their factions are clearly defined, after all, so they know exactly who is not on their team. But it would concern an inno, since there is the possibility that Omtose was working with the town. This leads me to believe that Kesso is an inno.


EDIT: Fixed quote

This post has been edited by Kaschan: 29 October 2009 - 05:44 PM

[Mockra]

Look at the case Kaschan. Look at Ruse's case. Do you not see anything there? Look at Emur's responses to pressure. I still think something's not right with him. Hell his name is "The Mayor" ???? even the bi-sexual Zombie that was MADE UP for this game had a name. I'll stand by that. If I thought there was a way to lynch emur I would. Just to prove to myself I'm not crazy. If he really is the mayor.. then my instincts are about as usless as an asshole on an elbow. (and based on experience that might be the case) Honestly at this point, I'm not crazy about the Kessobahn case. The whole case seems like a lot of words and quotes. If I my vote is the only thing stopping a lynch I would consider putting it down. But I wish we had another case to go over. I am going to try to do a reread while at work here. might take a while but i'll check the thread occasionally.

[Telas]

See I find issue with that.

1) Omtose said nothing about Kesso being in the bar night 1, he said Olar was NOT in the bar night 1.
2) Trying to say that Kesso correctly 'knew' Omtose was separate assumes that Omtose was, in fact, separate (still under debate considering how fragile the Coven seemed). People guess right and wrong all the time. Korv finding Serc was scum for the wrong reasons, for example.
3) How the hell do you know that scum factions are cleared defined? I would have thought that Beru noob symping Galain on Day 1 was pretty much clear evidence that the scum factions do NOT necessarily know all of their members.

edit: This is @Kaschan

This post has been edited by Telas: 29 October 2009 - 05:52 PM

[Mockra]

Emurlahn, on 29 October 2009 - 05:31 PM, said:

THinking about it, I rather push my Mockra case than follow another one.

Vote Mockra

After getting the hint that Kaschan might follow you.... wow... just wow. If people can't look past your reveal and look at the way you've played this game.... We don't deserve to win.

[Kaschan]

Mockra, on 29 October 2009 - 05:47 PM, said:

Look at the case Kaschan. Look at Ruse's case. Do you not see anything there? Look at Emur's responses to pressure. I still think something's not right with him. Hell his name is "The Mayor" ???? even the bi-sexual Zombie that was MADE UP for this game had a name. I'll stand by that. If I thought there was a way to lynch emur I would. Just to prove to myself I'm not crazy. If he really is the mayor.. then my instincts are about as usless as an asshole on an elbow. (and based on experience that might be the case) Honestly at this point, I'm not crazy about the Kessobahn case. The whole case seems like a lot of words and quotes. If I my vote is the only thing stopping a lynch I would consider putting it down. But I wish we had another case to go over. I am going to try to do a reread while at work here. might take a while but i'll check the thread occasionally.

If you cast your mind back, you'll recall that I liked Ruse's case when he originally made it and voted for Emurlahn yesterday. I've done some internet searches and find no mention of "The Mayor" anywhere. So no-one else going to contradict Emurlahn if he were to give himself a name (and if he were fake revealing, surely he'd find a name for himself?). At the moment I see no reason to disbelieve his reveal - there haven't been any counter-reveals, and we know thanks to the assassination scene that there is a mayoral character.

[Telas]

Mockra, are you saying that there isn't a mayor character in the game? Emur has sounded weird all game but nobody is going against the reveal.

edit: This post was brought to you by the letter X.

This post has been edited by Telas: 29 October 2009 - 06:01 PM

[Mockra]

Telas, on 29 October 2009 - 05:50 PM, said:

See I find issue with that.


3) How the hell do you know that scum factions are cleared defined? I would have thought that Beru noob symping Galain on Day 1 was pretty much clear evidence that the scum factions do NOT necessarily know all of their members.

edit: This is @Kaschan

This is a good point.

[Kaschan]

Telas, on 29 October 2009 - 05:50 PM, said:

See I find issue with that.

1) Omtose said nothing about Kesso being in the bar night 1, he said Olar was NOT in the bar night 1.
2) Trying to say that Kesso correctly 'knew' Omtose was separate assumes that Omtose was, in fact, separate (still under debate considering how fragile the Coven seemed). People guess right and wrong all the time. Korv finding Serc was scum for the wrong reasons, for example.
3) How the hell do you know that scum factions are cleared defined? I would have thought that Beru noob symping Galain on Day 1 was pretty much clear evidence that the scum factions do NOT necessarily know all of their members.

edit: This is @Kaschan

1) Oops, it was Night 2 he said Kesso was in the bar. My bad.

2) The CF makes it pretty clear that Omtose was separate, to me. He explicitly does not CF the same way as the Coven, nor does a zombie fit in with what I understand the Coven to be. There was nothing whatsoever to suggest that Omtose was not regular town, even with him being a zombie. There's no mention of a separate faction in the intro posts either. No way does Kessobahn somehow manage to guess that Omtose is going to CF differently to everyone else.

3) What I mean by the scum factions being clearly defined is the following. If you are in a scum faction, then I think it's fair to assume that you're going to be told this in your role PM. So if a lover comes to you and says: "Baby, I'm in some weird tourist faction!" it's not going to matter to you, since you have no reason to assume that he is with you. But if you're town, then when your lover makes a similar statement, you have to ask yourself whether that means he's with you or against you. And this is what I see Kesso asking himself as he made that post.

[Kaschan]

And now I must depart. I'm going to vote Mockra for the time being, but I'll be back in a few hours, and if need be I'll be able to switch then.

Vote Mockra

[Mockra]

Kaschan, on 29 October 2009 - 06:00 PM, said:

Mockra, on 29 October 2009 - 05:47 PM, said:

Look at the case Kaschan. Look at Ruse's case. Do you not see anything there? Look at Emur's responses to pressure. I still think something's not right with him. Hell his name is "The Mayor" ???? even the bi-sexual Zombie that was MADE UP for this game had a name. I'll stand by that. If I thought there was a way to lynch emur I would. Just to prove to myself I'm not crazy. If he really is the mayor.. then my instincts are about as usless as an asshole on an elbow. (and based on experience that might be the case) Honestly at this point, I'm not crazy about the Kessobahn case. The whole case seems like a lot of words and quotes. If I my vote is the only thing stopping a lynch I would consider putting it down. But I wish we had another case to go over. I am going to try to do a reread while at work here. might take a while but i'll check the thread occasionally.

If you cast your mind back, you'll recall that I liked Ruse's case when he originally made it and voted for Emurlahn yesterday. I've done some internet searches and find no mention of "The Mayor" anywhere. So no-one else going to contradict Emurlahn if he were to give himself a name (and if he were fake revealing, surely he'd find a name for himself?). At the moment I see no reason to disbelieve his reveal - there haven't been any counter-reveals, and we know thanks to the assassination scene that there is a mayoral character.

Kaschan- We don't know there is a mayoral character... the scene showed quite a few characters, but no Mayor was ever in the Scene. We don't know who the katana lady was there to kill.

Also, why would D'rek give the made up Bi-sexual Zombie a name and not the Mayor. Sure, Emur could make up a Name....now. but the fact is he didn't before. That doesn't jive.



@Telas. I don't know. I am not the mayor or the coroner or the sheriff. I wouldn't be so uncertain about Emur if I was. The thing holding me back from voting is, if there are those characters in the game, they would probably have supported me if they actually had a name. I am not gonna vote for him. I have no vote on him now. But He stinks. Stinks bad.

Whatever- I am not gonna mention Emur again today. Just want it stated for the record that I don't buy his reveal.