[Silanah]

In fact, Telas has now proved beyond doubt he can not be town, aka my faction, since he clearly do not think it's possible I'm in his faction and so he must be another faction than town. Possibly his straw manning is a way to take away attention from Ampelas. Kesso he seems to be okay with to lynch. I keeping my vote, but IGMEOY Telas.

[Silanah]

Well nobody is here - I'll try to be here around dead line time.

[Emurlahn]

THere 4 anon users but I'm going out for a walk, be back on later.

[Ampelas]

Here for a little bit, sorry couldn't contribute today - bad bad day at work.

I have to say I that whole Mayor, Sheriff etc thing strikes my as very beliveable and i'm happy to PI Emurlahn at this point.

Browsed the Kesso case, its pretty long so I think I'll have to go back to it again. Not convinced about it, some of those long cases look good just because they are long. Think I'll have to go back and reread it again when i have a little bit more time. Hopefully in an hour or two.

[Hood's Path]

Ok, I'm back.

Hmm, the Kesso case has some merit. He's jumped on inevitable lynches (of scum, no less), which does sort of seem like a way to coast while appearing to contribute, and hide amongst town. His obsession with recruitment and Seth Clearwater could point to him having those powers and being that person, but the optimist in me wants to believe he's not that stupid, as it is best for scum to not mention their true role at all, or at least not initiate discussion on it. The Mentalist thing really stinks, but I assume the coin toss lover thing is a reference to another game? Again, it would be monumentally stupid for a killer to joke about the death of a person they knew was playing, and planning on killing.

But perhaps I'm being too much of an optimist considering Tapper's brain explosion.

As for the simultaneous case on Emurlahn, I'm not willing to lynch the mayor if there has been no counter claims, and his play hasn't really screamed scum to me, so I'm not convinced.

By the way, where was the Ampelas case again? I can't find it.

[Hood's Path]

Silanah, on 29 October 2009 - 12:47 PM, said:

In fact, Telas has now proved beyond doubt he can not be town, aka my faction, since he clearly do not think it's possible I'm in his faction and so he must be another faction than town. Possibly his straw manning is a way to take away attention from Ampelas. Kesso he seems to be okay with to lynch. I keeping my vote, but IGMEOY Telas.

If Telas being scum is 'beyond doubt' Sil, then why not vote for him?

[D'riss]

i am trying to keep up with thread, but have been on go since half seven this morning and it hasnt let up. will check in when i get home tonight.

[Hood's Path]

Emurlahn, on 28 October 2009 - 08:52 PM, said:

Which leaves me two people I could vote for either Olar or Mockra.

I think Mockra could be a killer so

Vote Mockra

I'd like Emur to explain this vote for me. He gives no reason in any nearby post previous or proceeding why he thinks Mockra could be a killer, nor does he ever follow up on it. To me this vote has looked the scummiest today.

EDIT: spelling

This post has been edited by Hood's Path: 29 October 2009 - 01:36 PM

[Path-Shaper]

Emurlahn, on 29 October 2009 - 12:36 PM, said:

It's 3 votes for Kessobahn surely PS?

Wow game has slowed down a bit.

I don't know what you're talking about.




And don't call me Shirley.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Book 5: Midnight Sun. 10 hours, 52 minutes remaining.

13 players alive: Ampelas, D'riss, Emurlahn, Hood's Path,Kaschan,Kessobahn, Korvalain, Meanas, Mockra, Olar Ethil, Ruse,Silanah,Telas

7 votes to lynch. 7 to go to night.

1 vote Emurlahn (Mockra)
1 vote Mockra (Emurlahn)
3 votes Kessobahn (Olar Ethil, Telas, D'riss)
1 vote Ampelas (Silanah)


Not voted: Ampelas, Hood's Path, Kaschan, Kessobahn, Korvalain, Meanas, Ruse,

[Silanah]

HP, here's the case on Ampelas, two psots by Korv.

Korvalain, on 27 October 2009 - 04:57 PM, said:

I have one main gripe about the whole thing. If this had been day one - we would have to lynch Meanas,Ampelas,Telas and Kess all for not being town. Because they dont seem to mind lynching anyone at this point.

Dramatic re - innactment -

Group - KILL OMTOSE!

Mod - Omtose is dead by my hand!

Group - damn!! Oh well KILL OLAR!!!

No discussion, just instantly trusting a zombie.

Having said that

Vote Ampelas

Who IMHO had the scummiest of the 4 votes.

Korvalain, on 27 October 2009 - 05:06 PM, said:

Ampelas, on 27 October 2009 - 04:31 PM, said:

Well I guess it seems that Omtose was telling the truth as far as I can tell. Olar has said he's been in the bar, and Omtose said he wasn't. So Olar appears to be lying to us.

Vote Olar Ethil

Instantly believing every word that Omtose said based on a CF of zombie

Kess's vote was primarily meta (see also the silly dk) comment. While still incredibly moronic - no explanation, etc - Amps was more focused on how Omtose MUST be completely honest (even though we still dont know if zombie was townie?).


Therefore Meanas was the first (on both trains, unlikely scum)
Telas was on both trains, but quickly removed (very slightly scummy, more sheepish than not)
Amp instantly believes zombies are good (scummy as shit, looking for a very easy out and lynch)
Kess thinks dk was telling the truth cause its dk (meta based, but still scummier than Telas, but not as scummy as Amp).

Hope that helps.

Here is Ampelas' reply.

Ampelas, on 27 October 2009 - 05:13 PM, said:

I have voted Olar because I believe him to be lying. Omtose was forced into a reveal and has claimed to be Felicity the Bisexual Zombie etc etc. It was pretty unbelievable, even the name alone, the fact he was a Zombie and all the rest. Now the CF has proved him to be telling the truth. I see no particular reason to doubt the rest of his story.
If he was going to lie about a reveal of anything, why would he choose the worst, most confusing way possible?

He didn't CF town, nor did he CF any of the scum factions either, which makes me think he was Neutral and able to be recruited but hadn't been yet.

Since I believe Omtose's story, ergo Olar is lying to us, thusly I voted accordingly.

It seems to me he pulls out the neutral story only to give credit to his vote, and I am not buying it.

[Silanah]

Hood, on 29 October 2009 - 01:25 PM, said:

Silanah, on 29 October 2009 - 12:47 PM, said:

In fact, Telas has now proved beyond doubt he can not be town, aka my faction, since he clearly do not think it's possible I'm in his faction and so he must be another faction than town. Possibly his straw manning is a way to take away attention from Ampelas. Kesso he seems to be okay with to lynch. I keeping my vote, but IGMEOY Telas.

If Telas being scum is 'beyond doubt' Sil, then why not vote for him?

As already pointed out in the post you quoted above, I think Telas is trying to divert attention away from Ampelas. I think both is worthy lynch subjects, and I am ready to lynch anyone of them, I will not be vote hopping though, because that is just bad.

[Telas]

Silanah, I'm not sure you know what strawmanning it. It's attacking a weaker form of your argument.

I basically said, "Here's a bunch of wacky co-incidences," most of which aren't going to have any significance... then that post got eaten by the back button, so I wrote a smaller summary of the few parts that stood out to me as potentially problematic. That is not strawmanning. You can say I'm drawing a wild conclusion from a set of disjointed facts.

Meanas, again, more of the, "I don't want to vote for Kesso because of something I know," side-room snickering.

Here's Day 4:
2 votes Olar Ethil (Meanas, Emurlahn,)
3 votes Emurlahn (Ruse, Kaschan, Serc)
7 votes Serc (Korvalain, Mockra, Telas, Alkend, Olar Ethil, Silanah, Ampelas)

So yeah, you did vote for Emur, Kaschan, but you've coasted to Day 4 without a vote, and even that vote was on our now revealed mayor.

[Hood's Path]

Ah, thanks Silanah.

Surely though if you are so certain of Telas not being of the town, he is a better vote?

I am inclined to agree with you on Ampelas, though. While Omtose's reveal had merit on its own, the information he presented in no way shared the same credibility, especially considering the Kesso 'lapse'. The veracity of that info casts serious doubt on Kesso's innocence, and considering it's dubious that Omtose was town, treating it like Gospel was a huge no-no.

EDIT: x-post, and disregard the second para

This post has been edited by Hood's Path: 29 October 2009 - 02:05 PM

[Hood's Path]

Did anyone ever say what that piece of info was that PI'd Kesso? Mockra and someone else alluded to it I think, but it was never stated, and I can't find it.

EDIT: cos that could really break Telas' case.

This post has been edited by Hood's Path: 29 October 2009 - 02:10 PM

[Meanas]

Telas, on 29 October 2009 - 02:03 PM, said:

Silanah, I'm not sure you know what strawmanning it. It's attacking a weaker form of your argument.

I basically said, "Here's a bunch of wacky co-incidences," most of which aren't going to have any significance... then that post got eaten by the back button, so I wrote a smaller summary of the few parts that stood out to me as potentially problematic. That is not strawmanning. You can say I'm drawing a wild conclusion from a set of disjointed facts.

Meanas, again, more of the, "I don't want to vote for Kesso because of something I know," side-room snickering.

Here's Day 4:
2 votes Olar Ethil (Meanas, Emurlahn,)
3 votes Emurlahn (Ruse, Kaschan, Serc)
7 votes Serc (Korvalain, Mockra, Telas, Alkend, Olar Ethil, Silanah, Ampelas)

So yeah, you did vote for Emur, Kaschan, but you've coasted to Day 4 without a vote, and even that vote was on our now revealed mayor.

Snickering? I think not. I just don't want to vote Kesso. And no, I don't think he's the doctor, so you don't have to group me in with THOSE snickerers. The fact is, a couple days ago I came to the conclusion that Kesso is town. I stand by that conclusion until his CF tells me otherwise.

[Silanah]

Telas, on 29 October 2009 - 02:03 PM, said:

Silanah, I'm not sure you know what strawmanning it. It's attacking a weaker form of your argument.

I basically said, "Here's a bunch of wacky co-incidences," most of which aren't going to have any significance... then that post got eaten by the back button, so I wrote a smaller summary of the few parts that stood out to me as potentially problematic. That is not strawmanning. You can say I'm drawing a wild conclusion from a set of disjointed facts.

I was being nice when I called it straw manning - I could have called it gibberish and post padding and pretty lights dancing on the wall.

Edit: the reason I keep my vote on Ampelas is that I think that he's a bigger catch than Telas. But as I said, I'm ready to switch.

Edit: grammarz

Edit: alright I'll be back later.

This post has been edited by Silanah: 29 October 2009 - 02:27 PM

[Telas]

Well apparently Kesso has said something that has drawn 3 people to conclude that he is town. None of those people feel it's a detail to share.

Silanah, you have also drawn a logical fallacy by claiming that I have 'concluded' that you are clearly not in 'my faction.' I stated I WOULD NOT BE SURPRISED if all of you were scum. I have no clue how you immediately take that statement and say I have placed myself outside of the town faction.

Do you get lots of juicy town info, or is this just some kind of ploy to distract from Kesso? I don't know crap about Ampelas and yes, he's managed to duck through the majority fo the game, so he very well may be the proper lynch here. But the 'case' on him relates to voting behavior. If I were to vote anyone for voting behavior right now, it would be Kaschan for dodging every vote except the last one.

[Emurlahn]

The reason why I voted for Mockra is this.

Someone tried to kill me yesterday, they are now wounded until tonight.

Ruse had already brought his case before me, it is a very good case. He wouldn't need to waste a kill on me if he was killer.

Mockra though didn't really comment on the case even though he would have seen it the last day.

But today he has had a reread on me and agrees with ruse and jumps very quickly down my throat at the beginning of this day. Why waste more kills attempts when he is healed when he can push the case against me. It a calculated risk. THe only thing I can do in my defense is reveal. People can either trust me or not.

The killer pushing a lynch against me would be to his faction advantage. Cause you will lose a part of the cf.

[Telas]

Emur, no offense, but your CF revealing power isn't nearly as useful as you make it sound. In fact, the doctor's isn't that useful either. The most useful one is the Sheriff because they give us the person's name. Thanks to the magic of the Wikipedia, we can use that name to get pretty much any other info on that character.

Obviously, any 'other' powers you and the doc have are good reasons to keep you around. That, and you can help us with some of the stuff like the 'weird' characters (the zombie, for example).

But if 'Edward' is lynched (such as earlier in the game) and that's all the info we got, I'm going to pretty much know he's a Cullen Vampire.