[Telas]

hmm interesting point. So unless Tennes fixed it then guarding would not be possible. But you are the chef and I think you would know if they had been fixed.

A lot of things just aren't adding up, but I'm guessing there are 3 scum out there rather than 2 (better to go WCS) so it would make sense that stories are off as some of them are scum.

[Karosis]

Tennes, on 14 October 2009 - 05:20 PM, said:

Alright, interesting night, I have 13 minutes to do an assignment and then have to go hand it in, but I'll throw down a vote first. I don't like Telas, he's been under the radar all game, surfacing now and again to ping people's scumdar. I don't know why he's still around, but its time to:

vote Telas

I may be back before deadline, but don't count on it. It'll be tight.

By night, I of course mean RL night, the time when I slept through most of the conversation.

damnit i dont like this vote either

remove vote

vote tulas

out of all the inconsistencies in play i cant get passed the fact he says he guarded a player night 1, there was no kill then night 2 when he failed to guard said player and there was a kill he didnt announce it or guard them again. added to which i havent been told the replicators are back on so if them being down stopped him once, why not again?

[Thyrllan]

Tulas Shorn, on 14 October 2009 - 07:26 AM, said:

I don't think anyone has actually voted yet.

To answer Alkend's question, and to tag off of what you just said Karosis, I too have a "role". On night 2 I got sick from not having eaten enough. That's why when you brought up the whole "veal" clue, I knew immediately what you were talking about. (And why I questioned Tennes about checking out the scanners vs replicators).

Edited to add: With replicators, why is there a chef???

Ok, I know Karosis already touched upon this, but this just seem like one in a series of strange claims coming from Tulas. If the replicators were sabotaged night 2 as Karosis seems to support, how can that possibly have affected a guard dependent on food the same night? Surely this would logically only have an effect for the following night? Also he claims to have been informed that his guard failed?

Tulas Shorn, on 14 October 2009 - 11:18 AM, said:

Karosis, on 14 October 2009 - 11:13 AM, said:

Tulas Shorn, on 14 October 2009 - 07:26 AM, said:

I don't think anyone has actually voted yet.

To answer Alkend's question, and to tag off of what you just said Karosis, I too have a "role". On night 2 I got sick from not having eaten enough. That's why when you brought up the whole "veal" clue, I knew immediately what you were talking about. (And why I questioned Tennes about checking out the scanners vs replicators).

Edited to add: With replicators, why is there a chef???

you know, i only received word that the replicators were down during day 3. i was supposed to recieve it at the beginning of day but gk forgot to send it. so how exactly did you get sick before that?

vote tulas


i think you are the saboteur. i think you knew when the system went down as you brought it down. theres no reason a crew member would get sick fromundereating before the replicators failed.

First of all, my last was a cross post with this.

Second, I don't know how to defend against that since I can't say what was in my PM. In summary, I was carrying out my duty on night 2, and I apparently hadn't eaten anything so my duty went unfinished that night.

Last night, I got a similar mail which said that I was undergoing my duty when the lights went off.

Tulas also was informed of the lights going off? I didn't know that until the end of night scene where palm lights were handed out. Why was he told about that as well? From the end of night scene it seems the lights are kept off during night anyways so that makes no sense.

Tulas Shorn, on 14 October 2009 - 12:10 PM, said:

To clarify, my night 2 action was directly affected by the replicator being down so I couldn't complete it. You say yourself gk forgot to send you the PM, so I don't see why it's surprising I would know before you since I did receive a PM. It may be far fetched that I was affected by no food that quickly, but I'm sure the sabatoge of the system (which you assumed was worthless) was designed to affect my action.

The PM from path-shaper about last night was ambiguous, so I double checked and despite the lights issue, my action went fine last night.

This is important, otherwise I wouldn't have anything worth reporting, really. I guarded Atrahal on night 1, and failed to guard him again on night 2 when there was both a kill and the replicator sabatoge.

However, I guarded Alkend successfully on both nights 3 and 4, which is why I said in an earlier post that I think he is PI (since the kill and sabatoge went through last night despite my action). Of course, there could be pairing so it's not 100%, but if it is D day, the lynch and my action tonight will be important.

I never said I was RI. I have a role, but no name.

This is where logic truly starts to fail. You guarded Atrahal night 1 and there was no kill. Night 2 you failed to guard Atrahal and there was a kill. You then decided it would be a good thing to guard Alkend night 3? That makes no sense. And furthermore, Karosis just calmly buying this claim disturbs me quite a bit.

Telas is an interesting choice for d-day. I have nothing to go on from him at all. I have even forgotten his presence completely in my notes of the last couple of days.

[Thyrllan]

Karosis, on 14 October 2009 - 09:17 PM, said:

Tennes, on 14 October 2009 - 05:20 PM, said:

Alright, interesting night, I have 13 minutes to do an assignment and then have to go hand it in, but I'll throw down a vote first. I don't like Telas, he's been under the radar all game, surfacing now and again to ping people's scumdar. I don't know why he's still around, but its time to:

vote Telas

I may be back before deadline, but don't count on it. It'll be tight.

By night, I of course mean RL night, the time when I slept through most of the conversation.

damnit i dont like this vote either

remove vote

vote tulas

out of all the inconsistencies in play i cant get passed the fact he says he guarded a player night 1, there was no kill then night 2 when he failed to guard said player and there was a kill he didnt announce it or guard them again. added to which i havent been told the replicators are back on so if them being down stopped him once, why not again?

cross posted with this.. Makes me feel a bit better about you

[Karosis]

Telas, on 14 October 2009 - 09:16 PM, said:

hmm interesting point. So unless Tennes fixed it then guarding would not be possible. But you are the chef and I think you would know if they had been fixed.

A lot of things just aren't adding up, but I'm guessing there are 3 scum out there rather than 2 (better to go WCS) so it would make sense that stories are off as some of them are scum.

bit of a cross post, but thats my point exactly. i wonder if the klingons were

killer
saboteur
finder (commander)

if they knew scotty was dead, tennes could claim scotty easily as its not a role anyone would fake. his calling out of atrahal would make sense as well as atrahal becomes one of those players needing lynched. arghh i wish everyone was on.

[Thyrllan]

I'm going to

vote Tulas Shorn

A guard reveal with this many inconsistencies? On D-day?

[Kaschan]

I'm here catching up. I have maybe an hour. I have had meetings since 7 this morning. and am about to pull my hair out.

[Atrahal]

Telas, on 14 October 2009 - 09:07 PM, said:

Ok so I reread the last few pages since night and I was trying to come up with info. Over the last day, these are what people are claiming in terms of role/PI/suspects. I figured it would help me try to sort stuff out and I'm posting it because I hope it helps the rest of us do the same. I believe seeing from Thyr may give us some good info, like maybe a reason why he trusts Atrahal


Alkend: RI. trusts Tulas, Karosis, Tennes. Suspects are me (telas).

Tennes: Scotty. Trusts Karosis. Suspects are me, Kaschan, Atrahal, watching Thyr

Atrahal: RI lovers. Trusts ?, suspects Tennes

Karosis: RI chef. Trusts ?, suspects Thyr, Alkend, Tulas

Tulas: guard. Trusts Alkend, Karosis, Tennes. Suspects me, Thyr, Kaschan,

Kaschan: ? ? ?

Thyr: ?. Trusts Atrahal. Suspects Tennes

Telas: RI. Trusts Karosis. Suspects either Tennes/Atrahal, Tulas(?)

I don't trust anyone who I am not bonded with. Suspects are all of you. Every thing that everyone has said or revealed seems to have holes in it, and when they don't the fact that they played in the other game which would allow them to have other knowledge causes me to suspect their reveals.

I know that kalse was Kirk. So I don't trust Tennes. Tulas has given out information that doesn't make any sense which is also why I don't trust Alkend as Tulas seems to be defending him. Kaschan and Telas and Thyrllan are all being to quiet.

Actually I guess I kind of trust Karosis. Course he is probably just luring me in.

[Karosis]

Thyrllan, on 14 October 2009 - 09:17 PM, said:

Tulas Shorn, on 14 October 2009 - 07:26 AM, said:

I don't think anyone has actually voted yet.

To answer Alkend's question, and to tag off of what you just said Karosis, I too have a "role". On night 2 I got sick from not having eaten enough. That's why when you brought up the whole "veal" clue, I knew immediately what you were talking about. (And why I questioned Tennes about checking out the scanners vs replicators).

Edited to add: With replicators, why is there a chef???

Ok, I know Karosis already touched upon this, but this just seem like one in a series of strange claims coming from Tulas. If the replicators were sabotaged night 2 as Karosis seems to support, how can that possibly have affected a guard dependent on food the same night? Surely this would logically only have an effect for the following night? Also he claims to have been informed that his guard failed?

Tulas Shorn, on 14 October 2009 - 11:18 AM, said:

Karosis, on 14 October 2009 - 11:13 AM, said:

Tulas Shorn, on 14 October 2009 - 07:26 AM, said:

I don't think anyone has actually voted yet.

To answer Alkend's question, and to tag off of what you just said Karosis, I too have a "role". On night 2 I got sick from not having eaten enough. That's why when you brought up the whole "veal" clue, I knew immediately what you were talking about. (And why I questioned Tennes about checking out the scanners vs replicators).

Edited to add: With replicators, why is there a chef???

you know, i only received word that the replicators were down during day 3. i was supposed to recieve it at the beginning of day but gk forgot to send it. so how exactly did you get sick before that?

vote tulas


i think you are the saboteur. i think you knew when the system went down as you brought it down. theres no reason a crew member would get sick fromundereating before the replicators failed.

First of all, my last was a cross post with this.

Second, I don't know how to defend against that since I can't say what was in my PM. In summary, I was carrying out my duty on night 2, and I apparently hadn't eaten anything so my duty went unfinished that night.

Last night, I got a similar mail which said that I was undergoing my duty when the lights went off.

Tulas also was informed of the lights going off? I didn't know that until the end of night scene where palm lights were handed out. Why was he told about that as well? From the end of night scene it seems the lights are kept off during night anyways so that makes no sense.

Tulas Shorn, on 14 October 2009 - 12:10 PM, said:

To clarify, my night 2 action was directly affected by the replicator being down so I couldn't complete it. You say yourself gk forgot to send you the PM, so I don't see why it's surprising I would know before you since I did receive a PM. It may be far fetched that I was affected by no food that quickly, but I'm sure the sabatoge of the system (which you assumed was worthless) was designed to affect my action.

The PM from path-shaper about last night was ambiguous, so I double checked and despite the lights issue, my action went fine last night.

This is important, otherwise I wouldn't have anything worth reporting, really. I guarded Atrahal on night 1, and failed to guard him again on night 2 when there was both a kill and the replicator sabatoge.

However, I guarded Alkend successfully on both nights 3 and 4, which is why I said in an earlier post that I think he is PI (since the kill and sabatoge went through last night despite my action). Of course, there could be pairing so it's not 100%, but if it is D day, the lynch and my action tonight will be important.

I never said I was RI. I have a role, but no name.

This is where logic truly starts to fail. You guarded Atrahal night 1 and there was no kill. Night 2 you failed to guard Atrahal and there was a kill. You then decided it would be a good thing to guard Alkend night 3? That makes no sense. And furthermore, Karosis just calmly buying this claim disturbs me quite a bit.

Telas is an interesting choice for d-day. I have nothing to go on from him at all. I have even forgotten his presence completely in my notes of the last couple of days.

this was a reading fail from me, i thought, and i may be right here, but did tulas not originally claim he guarded anthras night 2 who died?? i thought he had, so didnt realise about the atrahal thing until rereading there now.

[Thyrllan]

huh... I cross posted with a lot more than that it turns out. Everything after Atrahal's old bean comment.

[Atrahal]

I am also going to vote for Tulas. If you can't guard due to a problem and it doesn't get fixed then you probably can't continue to guard.


Vote Tulas

[Karosis]

Tulas Shorn, on 14 October 2009 - 12:10 PM, said:

To clarify, my night 2 action was directly affected by the replicator being down so I couldn't complete it. You say yourself gk forgot to send you the PM, so I don't see why it's surprising I would know before you since I did receive a PM. It may be far fetched that I was affected by no food that quickly, but I'm sure the sabatoge of the system (which you assumed was worthless) was designed to affect my action.

The PM from path-shaper about last night was ambiguous, so I double checked and despite the lights issue, my action went fine last night.

This is important, otherwise I wouldn't have anything worth reporting, really. I guarded Atrahal on night 1, and failed to guard him again on night 2 when there was both a kill and the replicator sabatoge.

However, I guarded Alkend successfully on both nights 3 and 4, which is why I said in an earlier post that I think he is PI (since the kill and sabatoge went through last night despite my action). Of course, there could be pairing so it's not 100%, but if it is D day, the lynch and my action tonight will be important.

I never said I was RI. I have a role, but no name.

how does he know he guarded alkend successfully?

[Telas]

I kinda agree Karosis

Korv was starting to trust Atrahal but then was killed (because of that? maybe but wifom for sure).
Thyr said that he trusts Atrahal, and I'd like to know more or if there is a reason for it.

One of them has to be lying, along with the whole Tulas thing. I'm sure at least one of them is scum, nothing else makes sense.

incoming x-post central.
edit: at a post about 10 up regarding the supposed 3 klingons.

This post has been edited by Telas: 14 October 2009 - 09:25 PM

[Thyrllan]

As for my lack of participation. I don't see that, I've participated to the best of my ability within the time I've had. I do however seem to have a lot less info to go on than any of you and after Ampelas turned out as innocent as Kalse.. I felt lost. I dunno it might just be the wrong time zone and all, but I'm utterly off this game.

[Kaschan]

Tulas Shorn, on 14 October 2009 - 12:10 PM, said:

To clarify, my night 2 action was directly affected by the replicator being down so I couldn't complete it. You say yourself gk forgot to send you the PM, so I don't see why it's surprising I would know before you since I did receive a PM. It may be far fetched that I was affected by no food that quickly, but I'm sure the sabatoge of the system (which you assumed was worthless) was designed to affect my action.

The PM from path-shaper about last night was ambiguous, so I double checked and despite the lights issue, my action went fine last night.

This is important, otherwise I wouldn't have anything worth reporting, really. I guarded Atrahal on night 1, and failed to guard him again on night 2 when there was both a kill and the replicator sabatoge.

However, I guarded Alkend successfully on both nights 3 and 4, which is why I said in an earlier post that I think he is PI (since the kill and sabatoge went through last night despite my action). Of course, there could be pairing so it's not 100%, but if it is D day, the lynch and my action tonight will be important.

I never said I was RI. I have a role, but no name.

Bold mine

What... we have a revealed cook.. that has no role.. but does have a name?? BS. If you are roled you can claim something, a name, a job . even a Red Shirt. Something

[Thyrllan]

Karosis, on 14 October 2009 - 09:24 PM, said:

Tulas Shorn, on 14 October 2009 - 12:10 PM, said:

To clarify, my night 2 action was directly affected by the replicator being down so I couldn't complete it. You say yourself gk forgot to send you the PM, so I don't see why it's surprising I would know before you since I did receive a PM. It may be far fetched that I was affected by no food that quickly, but I'm sure the sabatoge of the system (which you assumed was worthless) was designed to affect my action.

The PM from path-shaper about last night was ambiguous, so I double checked and despite the lights issue, my action went fine last night.

This is important, otherwise I wouldn't have anything worth reporting, really. I guarded Atrahal on night 1, and failed to guard him again on night 2 when there was both a kill and the replicator sabatoge.

However, I guarded Alkend successfully on both nights 3 and 4, which is why I said in an earlier post that I think he is PI (since the kill and sabatoge went through last night despite my action). Of course, there could be pairing so it's not 100%, but if it is D day, the lynch and my action tonight will be important.

I never said I was RI. I have a role, but no name.

how does he know he guarded alkend successfully?

I think a more important question is how he knew the lights were off before night ended.

[Karosis]

Thyrllan, on 14 October 2009 - 09:27 PM, said:

Karosis, on 14 October 2009 - 09:24 PM, said:

Tulas Shorn, on 14 October 2009 - 12:10 PM, said:

To clarify, my night 2 action was directly affected by the replicator being down so I couldn't complete it. You say yourself gk forgot to send you the PM, so I don't see why it's surprising I would know before you since I did receive a PM. It may be far fetched that I was affected by no food that quickly, but I'm sure the sabatoge of the system (which you assumed was worthless) was designed to affect my action.

The PM from path-shaper about last night was ambiguous, so I double checked and despite the lights issue, my action went fine last night.

This is important, otherwise I wouldn't have anything worth reporting, really. I guarded Atrahal on night 1, and failed to guard him again on night 2 when there was both a kill and the replicator sabatoge.

However, I guarded Alkend successfully on both nights 3 and 4, which is why I said in an earlier post that I think he is PI (since the kill and sabatoge went through last night despite my action). Of course, there could be pairing so it's not 100%, but if it is D day, the lynch and my action tonight will be important.

I never said I was RI. I have a role, but no name.

how does he know he guarded alkend successfully?

I think a more important question is how he knew the lights were off before night ended.

my point about the replicators. the more we discuss the more sure i am he is the saboteur and if he is, alkend is my lynch choice tomorrow.

[Kaschan]

Alkend, on 14 October 2009 - 03:18 PM, said:

Some other things to consider are we haven't seen any name claims other than Scotty, who also claimed that Kalse was Sulu.

Kirk, Spock, McCoy, Uruhu, Chekov are unclaimed
Scotty - Tennes
Sulu - Kalse
'Chef' - Karosis
'Guard/Security?' - Tulas Shorn

Probably several 'named' players are dead, could be another RI or two left... ugh hard to say.

Probably a reason for this. If we lose this game a large portion of the blame will go to me.

[Thyrllan]

Alkend? Well that does tickle my sense of self worth as I pointed him out as my nr 2 suspect day 2 after Kalse.

Did Tennes say he actually repaired the replicators? His vote on Telas is almost as odd as Tulas' claim to my mind considering the scant justification and what day we're on

[Karosis]

Kaschan, on 14 October 2009 - 09:30 PM, said:

Alkend, on 14 October 2009 - 03:18 PM, said:

Some other things to consider are we haven't seen any name claims other than Scotty, who also claimed that Kalse was Sulu.

Kirk, Spock, McCoy, Uruhu, Chekov are unclaimed
Scotty - Tennes
Sulu - Kalse
'Chef' - Karosis
'Guard/Security?' - Tulas Shorn

Probably several 'named' players are dead, could be another RI or two left... ugh hard to say.

Probably a reason for this. If we lose this game a large portion of the blame will go to me.

please xplain?