[Crimsonblade]

I was holding off making a post on this, but I'm over 300 pages into the book and there is still no explanation on why the hell Duiker went from being staked and left to die in Seven Cities to being alive now with the retired Bridgeburners. Do I just have to wait longer, or did I miss something at the end of DHG??

[HoosierDaddy]

Oh wow, you missed the events of Memories of Ice and Deadhouse Gates big-time. Baruk made an amulet for Coltaine, that would have preserved his soul if he died. Coltaine gave it to Duiker, and when he was crucified it was broken, thus activating it. That's why Stormy, Gesler, and Truth don't find Duiker at the end of Deadhouse Gates.

This post has been edited by HoosierDaddy: 09 September 2009 - 03:47 AM

[Crimsonblade]

HoosierDaddy, on 09 September 2009 - 03:46 AM, said:

Oh wow, you missed the events of Memories of Ice and Deadhouse Gates big-time. Baruk made an amulet for Coltaine, that would have preserved his soul if he died. Coltaine gave it to Duiker, and when he was crucified it was broken, thus activating it. That's why Stormy, Gesler, and Truth don't find Duiker at the end of Deadhouse Gates.

Oh. Wow. Now I remember, although I'm not surprised I forgot it. 8,000 combined pages of book is a lot of space to miss something.

[Glave]

Crimsonblade, on 09 September 2009 - 03:52 AM, said:

HoosierDaddy, on 09 September 2009 - 03:46 AM, said:

Oh wow, you missed the events of Memories of Ice and Deadhouse Gates big-time. Baruk made an amulet for Coltaine, that would have preserved his soul if he died. Coltaine gave it to Duiker, and when he was crucified it was broken, thus activating it. That's why Stormy, Gesler, and Truth don't find Duiker at the end of Deadhouse Gates.

Oh. Wow. Now I remember, although I'm not surprised I forgot it. 8,000 combined pages of book is a lot of space to miss something.

I could have sworn that Stormy and Gesler did find him and lied about it to protect Truth... yep. Page 829, first sentence(American paperback). I also could swear that someone grabbed the body at some point but I can't find it for confirmation.

[Ulrik]

It was baruk´s demons, If Im right... or just shareholders from Trygalle? Damn, my memory...

[Witness]

AFAIK, Stormy and Gesler do spot him, but tell Truth they couldn´t find him.
The demons that collect Duiker were in bokharal form, which does imply Baruk´s involvement (especially when you consider they discuss the necklace breaking).

[HoosierDaddy]

Imperfect memory, and seeing as how I re-read DG just a couple of months ago.

This post has been edited by HoosierDaddy: 09 September 2009 - 08:03 AM

[MTS]

Glave and Witness are right. They do spot him, but don't do anything to protect Truth. Then Baruk's flying monkeys spirit him away.

[Crimsonblade]

Okay, now I have to ask why did Baruk care about Coltaine?

[Witness]

.....that´s a good question - I was about to say because Coltaine´s the Empire´s saviour, but of course Baruk isn´t part of the empire...

Maybe he´s very altruistic?

[D'rek]

Well Baruk and the Daru council were in allegiance with Dujek and he wanted to help out Coltaine so they submitted their own part of the delivery out of sympathy or some such. Or so says the TTG High Mage anyway...

[Roldom]

im pretty sure quick ben had something to do with it aswell, he also sent the same TTG caravan on to resuply fidler with munitions

[Kaamos]

Höh, I wondered about Duiker's fate also, and then whether I'd again slept through portions of the narrative. However, it's been a year since DHG and a probable re-read does not yet even loom in the nearby future.

So was there actually a scene that involved a freshly resurrected Duiker maundering on his experiences? *scatterwit brainfail*

[worry]

Yup. Duiker is present throughout MOI, and basically silent and brooding and broken the whole time. Then in the epilogue, after the few remaining BBs return to Darujhistan after the war, Duiker rouses himself enough to tell them the story of the Chain of Dogs.

[Studious Lock]

worry, on 31 July 2013 - 08:17 AM, said:

Yup. Duiker is present throughout MOI, and basically silent and brooding and broken the whole time. Then in the epilogue, after the few remaining BBs return to Darujhistan after the war, Duiker rouses himself enough to tell them the story of the Chain of Dogs.

This can't be right. During most of the events of MOI Duiker is still alive and on Seven cities with Coltaine. Its only at the very end of the book that he turns up, since he has by then died.
Did you perhaps forget that DG and MOI happen at the same time?

[worry]

Yes you're absolutely right, I totally did. I was conflating his demeanor in TTH with that of the MOI finale, because the opening of K'rul's Bar in MOI is a slight flash forward and Picker does some reflection on Duiker's silence over the past few days/weeks...but it's all contained within that epilogue

This post has been edited by worry: 31 July 2013 - 09:08 AM

[Kaamos]

Thanks. I remember K'rul's temple bar, but not a speck about Duiker.

[tiam]

MTS, on 09 September 2009 - 12:10 PM, said:

Glave and Witness are right. They do spot him, but don't do anything to protect Truth. Then Baruk's flying monkeys spirit him away.

Crimsonblade, on 09 September 2009 - 11:38 PM, said:

Okay, now I have to ask why did Baruk care about Coltaine?

They spot him and dont tell Truth. We know this from when Truth is looking for him all the way along the line and then goes 'well if we couldnt find him maybe hes still out there and he made it' and Gesler says 'yeh could be' then we get a line from Mappos POV that states he saw the lie plain on Geslers face. So they found him but didnt tell Truth to spare his feelings.

As for the Baruk connection it was QB who made an amulet designed for Coltaine to keep his soul with a message from Dujek saying how the Empress cannot lose her best commanders. The TTG also think its an odd thing for a renegade to say but Coltaine refuses the bauble as the crows will take his soul so it falls to Duiker, who is recovered by Baruks two servants. After the BB retire at the end of MOI Baruk has healed all of Duikers physical wounds though none of his psychological ones and he joins them in the bar to tell the story of the Chain of Dogs.

Quotes are me paraphrasing obviously.

[Kanese S's]

Indeed, as Tiam said.

Very last line of MoI is:

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'Very well, permit me, if you will, on this night. To break your hearts once more. This is the story of the Chain of Dogs. Of Coltaine of the Crow Crow Clan, newly come Fist to the 7th Army...'