[Galayn Lord]

Emurlahn, on Aug 29 2009, 10:55 PM, said:

GL's reveal seems legit, because the only way he'd reveal and then vote a dead person was if he is either drunk or extremely tired. Therefore, it's more likely he is telling the truth. XD

A most interesting development. However, now that we know Kesso is innocent, GL, how does that change your opinion on Rash/Galain/Eloth?

Both

Huh

Two of them are scum.

Remove vote

Vote Rashan

[Rashan]

@eloth - some of us go to bed after films, lighten up. also, unless you exist in a place where tomorrow morning doesnt exist, trying to use two players saying tomorrow morning just before gmt bed time, is stretching this just a little.

[Rashan]

now for my emur case working back fromt hese recent gems.


says he wouldnt trust a vig reveal

instantly trusts gls reveal

how did galain symp me? rest of the stuff isnt bad, but again you dont commit to it, you decide its a stretch, so why bother posting musings that dont go anywhere?

the korvalain vote, yes i had to go back all the way here to find something not fluff

happy to swap, and did turn up within the deadline even though it was past.


truth

galayn vote

this is the post tht sticks out most for me. by asking me upstraight if i agree with him, i got the distinct impression he was fishing for a symp clue.

8 posts out of near fifty is all i can find relating to anything. emur says an awful lot but nothing really of worth. he called attention to the gl post and voted on it, yet today accepts his reveal even though just before it he said he would be dubious of them. He also seemed to be thinkign i was his symp which i am not.

sadly though i just realised where that quote came from from gl, isnt that a rath'fener quote? odd choice of quote when fener was killed before the game started.

vote emurlahn

you are non commital, you waffle an exceptional amount. you seem to be digging for symp clues. i think you are a coasting killer type.

[Rashan]

Galayn Lord, on Aug 30 2009, 10:09 AM, said:

Emurlahn, on Aug 29 2009, 10:55 PM, said:

GL's reveal seems legit, because the only way he'd reveal and then vote a dead person was if he is either drunk or extremely tired. Therefore, it's more likely he is telling the truth. XD

A most interesting development. However, now that we know Kesso is innocent, GL, how does that change your opinion on Rash/Galain/Eloth?

Both

Huh

Two of them are scum.

Remove vote

Vote Rashan

is that your case? two of them are scum? what intellectual genius. just like that case you made on kesso.............. oh yes why were you so suspicious of him again? and a bp lost onnightt 1, then why werent you killed night 2?

[Rashan]

sorry meant ano there, not kesso.

[Rashan]

Anomandaris, on Aug 27 2009, 04:06 PM, said:

Galayn Lord, on Aug 27 2009, 10:58 AM, said:

Ok I am back for a bit annnnnd no one else is on.

Way to jump on the guy who admits that he won't be on for a while Anomandaris.

Yup. I find you're just starting to become a worthless distraction now, doing naught but make cryptic statements and pantsless jokes. The only meaningful thing you've done was have a non-sensical over-reaction to people pointing out your cryptic stupidity and to try and speculate on what Morgoth would or wouldn't put in this game, because you know him soooo well. You didn't participate in the lynch at all yesterday and now you say that due to unforeseen circumstances you're not going to be on much. Fine, how about we just lynch you and you won't have to be on at all.

so basically it was this then? that was enough for you to vig him?

[Rashan]

this was the one i am looking for

Korvalain, on Aug 26 2009, 10:29 PM, said:

I do find it funny how the two of you are working together so handily after ignoring each other on day one.

And look, Emurlahn is a higher poster and Serc was the lowest poster... more and more interesting.

Emurlahn - the best part is that you will always find some reason to vote for me, and I don't care if you do.

WCS: There are 5 scum and 3 SKers and 6 town, and I know this because of previous games poorly remembered! Yay!

Idiots.

despite gl's reveal i still think obdi was a symp and these sort of posts are what i look for. emur had voted for korv and korv makes a half assed attempt at a case but doesnt vote, and then very soon after he begins his low poster crusade in earnest voting for hp and then ruse.

coupled with this post detailing who he thinks are the town inno roles it looks like obvious signalling.

i think emur and possibly serc are the killers. gl could be a vig, but i dont see why he picked ano, or how he survived last night if he lost a bp the night before.

[Rashan]

Serc, on Aug 29 2009, 10:06 PM, said:

Rashan, on Aug 29 2009, 04:11 PM, said:

on briefly, going to sit down and watch a film. as far as knowing who was vigged and who wasnt, the vig could come forward, it wouldnt CI them, but might narrow down our possibilities for today. I am tempted to vote galain to gain info from yesterdays train but dont have enough time to make that case on emurlahn so it will have to wait until tomorrow morning.

Wait what? Where does Emurlahn factor into this?


Am I really oblivious, or do we have a slip here?

edit: Underlined the two parts I'm talking about.

readingthe thread might help. You worried about someone mentioning emur on thread?

[Ruse]

Looking back over that sort of time, you might be right in the Serc , Emu connection ive only checked around there argument with korv right now but they do seem to be avoiding eachother slightly, il check later to see if it continues. While i was reading over it though one post of Emu's to Serc did stand out, I know its supposed to be a joke but it seems like a typical trying to make light of an accusation tactic which ive seen scum use quite a lot.

Emurlahn, on Aug 27 2009, 06:51 AM, said:

I'm around, but I'm too scared of Korvalain saying we're working together!

If he is scum i can quite easily see this quote as an attempt to ridicule Korvs argument that the two of them might be linked. This in mind
Vote Emu

[Emurlahn]

This is a fairly weak case, though I've got to go to bed now. I'll defend in the morning properly, but to rebut a few points off the bat.

Rashan, on Aug 30 2009, 11:31 AM, said:

now for my emur case smile.gif working back fromt hese recent gems.


says he wouldnt trust a vig reveal

Strawmanning, I said vig reveals only work based on a few assumptions. GL's reveal fit enough criteria for me that I am willing to believe it for the moment/

instantly trusts gls reveal

how did galain symp me? rest of the stuff isnt bad, but again you dont commit to it, you decide its a stretch, so why bother posting musings that dont go anywhere?

Because otherwise the thread dies, and/or I get accused of not participating. Musings are integral to moving the game forward, as opposed to summaries, which simply recap - I'm adding new takes on things. As for refusing to commit, well, that's a form of committing in and of itself, as I was committing to not voting you based on the existing evidence.

the korvalain vote, yes i had to go back all the way here to find something not fluff

happy to swap, and did turn up within the deadline even though it was past.

This doesn't actually make sense to me. I thought when I arrived the deadline was up? I was awake until 3am and intended to get up at 6, but instead I woke up at about 9, which by my calculations put me at least 30 minutes after the end of day time


truth

galayn vote

this is the post tht sticks out most for me. by asking me upstraight if i agree with him, i got the distinct impression he was fishing for a symp clue.

I was asking because, as you may have noticed, no-one had yet responded to my points about Galayn. I had a vote on the man, and was wondering if anyone else felt the same - if they did, it might have led to a lynch, no? So I was simply seeking a sense of support. *shrug*

8 posts out of near fifty is all i can find relating to anything. emur says an awful lot but nothing really of worth. he called attention to the gl post and voted on it, yet today accepts his reveal even though just before it he said he would be dubious of them. He also seemed to be thinkign i was his symp which i am not.

Well, me thinking you are my symp is based on me being scum. Aside from one "direct question" to you, I basically ignored you throughout, did I not? Regarding the amount of fluff in my post count, I would attribute that to a lack of participation in general in the thread - and I challenge you to find a player who has many posts of content.

sadly though i just realised where that quote came from from gl, isnt that a rath'fener quote? odd choice of quote when fener was killed before the game started.

vote emurlahn

you are non commital, you waffle an exceptional amount. you seem to be digging for symp clues. i think you are a coasting killer type.
I think these have all been answered in a general sense. "Digging for symp clues" is the biggest stretch in your summary, here, as one question over a post of general but non-committal (oh the irony) assent is not really digging.

See you all tomorrow.

[Galain]

I'm willing to take Gl's reveal with a pinch of salt at this point, mainly because noone has countered yet. His logic kind of makes sense, but he sounds a bit out of it, hopefully he can explain himself better when he comes on again. And not everyone has been on yet since he revealed, once more people have been on it will be more likely he is telling the truth. Still, it would be incredibly risky for scum to claim vig this early in the game, unless they knew for a fact that one of the people who were NK'd was definitely the vig. Which seems unlikely.

So for now if we assume GL is telling the truth, it means I was wrong in my assumption that Korv was vigged. Which is interesting, because it means he was killed by scum, possibly because they believed he was the other scum. It would be a bit silly for a killer to announce on thread who they were after, but I think I will take a look at who was suspicious of Korv anyway. It's not impossible that a killer could have slipped up and put in an NK after/in case the lynch failed, rather than risk having to push for a lynch.

Eloth - you seem to have decided that I must be scum and are stretching a little to make every single thing I say look scummy. In a way this actually makes me less suspicious of you, since if you were scum and really believe I am the other scum you could just have taken me out last night. Still IGMEOY

[Galain]

Emurlahn, on Aug 26 2009, 11:15 PM, said:

Wait. You're saying assuming WCS will do us worse in than assuming some fantastical confluence of events?

Vote Korvalain

Emurlahn, on Aug 27 2009, 06:12 AM, said:

I'm already voting for Korvalain for sheer idiocy and obstinate refusal to see sense. Galayn Lord's potential - though reasonably explainable - 'signal' yesterday has not been mentioned again, either.

Other than that...not a lot. I'm not quite sure what your case on Galain is. Could you go over it again? XD

Hood's Path, on Aug 27 2009, 08:16 PM, said:

In fact, OMGUS it may seem, but i'm going to:

vote Korv

because he has spammed and then attacked low posters. Yes, he's posted more than me. Good for you for having time. Congratulations for using it posting spam instead of anything productive.

Anomandaris, on Aug 28 2009, 05:24 AM, said:

Hmm, I can see what you're saying about the quote-posts-pressure, Kesso. I don't like it over my GL case, but I'm practical enough to realize that one's not going to fly today. Since I need to get to bed, I'm going to put my vote onto Korv, since I think the Galain case could benefit from some more time for analysis. Meanwhile Korv is spamming goodkind only to get his post count up so he can have a holier-than-thou tirade against low-posters on day 2. I can agree somewhat with the motive, but the manner of his accusations I do not approve of.

vote Korvalain

and this way it's 3-3 so equal candidates to be decided by the rest. Good night and have fun!

Rashan, on Aug 28 2009, 09:27 AM, said:

as if by magic.

vote korvalain

much as i dislike the 'case' by galain, what i dislike most so far is the goodkind post, the attacking of supposedly non contributing players, and an assertation that spamming the thread is better than actually trying to just play the game. Also korvalain is exhibiting what i would describe as classic scum tactics.

1 - he is loud and brash and using preconceptions to avoid suspicion.
2 - he announces intention on thread to cover what would otherwise be fishy
3 - he only engages in proper discussion when challenged.
4 - he targets those players he beleieves wont respond (case in point hp and ruse)

actual stand out moments - makign a case on ruse which is essentially he is a low poster and doing the same on hp. responding to a quote by GL with an equally cryptic response.

ruse vote

hp case

discussing guard reveals

Towards the end says he will take hp out - possible slip

accusations but no votes

more tactics for the guard, but possibly another slip to reveal sk status as he is quite definite the sk attacked last night

scum tactic 101 - announce a crusade against low posters to avoid having to do anything hard

pointing out possible codes (though in response to a question about them) if symp signallign possible targets to master

first person to mention the serial killer

Galain, on Aug 28 2009, 09:46 AM, said:

That is actually a pretty good case Rashan, with some pretty solid reasoning.

Some of the statements he has made have been pretty puzzling. I'm not sure if scum would draw so much attention themselves, but it has worked for some in the past.

My main problem with voting Korv has been that I keep letting meta interfere with my judgement of him, which is possibly a bad thing. I'm not sure if we have enough time for a lynch but

vote Korvalain

So with regard to my point earlier, here are the votes on the Korv train. Emu and HP both seem to have been irritation votes, Rashan and Ano had more coherent reasons for voting and I voted because it was late in the day and Rashan's case made sense.

Of those, Ano and Rashan would be the most likely to be scum trying to lynch other scum. Of course Ano is dead and inno, which leaves Rashan. To be honest Rashan doesnt strike me as particularly scummy, but he has become much more active recently - maybe trying to take control of the game? Not really enough to vote on at this point, but I think it's worth keeping in mind.

HP and Ruse also haven't had much to say - HP's post count is mainly from his pissing contest with Korv. Some more thoughts from them would be nice.

Also Rashan isn't the first person to see a link between Serc and Emur - Korv made the same accusation early in day two.

I'm going to watch a movie with the girlfriend now, see you guys later

[Rashan]

@emur - i didnt strawman you. you said we shouldnt trust vig reveals and then you trust gl's without questioning it.

the time thing - i was pointing out that you said previously you would be on, and when i checked the times i thought you were on in time. now your telling me you werent, that wasnt an accusation of scum behaviour on my part so unsure why you contested that.

[D'riss]

morning all

It looks like we have just under 3 hours left.

re-reading Rashan, I now find myself less suspicious of him, since he's participating, and he finally produced the emur case. which is pretty interesting in itself.


I'm leaning towards believing GL, because a vig activated by the loss of BP is an old-school role, and Morgy likes tossing those into his setups. also, his Day 1 play (in retrospect) matches that of someone fishing for an NK attempt.

since the clock is ticking and i'm less suspicious of Rashan now, I will

vote Emurlahn

btw, how close is Serc to a modkill? haven't heard from him in a while.

[D'riss]

in about 6 hours it will be 3 full days since HP last posted.

now, he did say he won't be back untill Saturday (yesterday), but still...

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 4. 2 hours and 28 minutes remaining

9 Players still alive: D'riss, Eloth, Emurlahn, Galain, Galayn Lord, Hood's Path, Rashan, Ruse, Serc

5 votes to lynch, 5 votes to go to night

1 vote for Rashan: ( Galayn Lord )
1 vote for Galain: ( Eloth )
3 votes for Emurlahn: ( Rashan, Ruse, D'riss )

Players not voted: Emurlahn, Galain, Hood's Path, Serc

[Path-Shaper]

I figured you guys could use an update, but like PB I can't be here for deadline.

-Shin

[D'riss]

sigh
with about an hour left, any lynch seems unlikely.

i'll have to head out soon to get my bike fixed up, and then I have a footy game to go to.

doubt i'll be around for the deadline.

[D'riss]

4 anons, and no-one's posting?

bah.

[Galain]

Woah, there's way less time left than what I thought there was earlier.

vote Emurlahn

Since there really isnt time for anything else.