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Another example is Denul the Warren of Healing. I haven't seen any healers use their warren as wepons either. But I think they could stop your heart or something.
There wouldnt be anypoint if all the warrens could do the same things.
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Posted 07 July 2005 - 05:55 AM
quote:Originally posted by Cramp:
could a user of mockra, path of the mind, blow a hole through a wall?
No, as Corlo says in MT, Mockra is quite a limited warren, as it is of the human mind.
In the same bit of the book, Corlo goes on about how some mages achieve their sorcerous art by study, whereas others have innate talent and don't need to study quite so much. Or something along those lines. He also says that the warren the person wields reflects their own nature.
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Posted 21 July 2005 - 05:05 PM
I wouldn't say there's a definite limit, it's just that you aren't going to master more than one or two without being extraordinarily talented and having total focus (as well as a few lifetimes). It's like learning a language - most people only ever master their native language, but they can become rather good with another. There are people, who've achieved such a level of skill with many more languages, but these are both very talented and very focused.
And of course learning a language is a walk in the park compared to shaping a warren
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And it's not that a warren actively comes to a person. Rather a mage in training tries to call upon a source of power and instinctively reaches to that which comes most easily - depending on personality (and maybe other factors as well) people seem to have some kind of affinity to certain warrens.
Finally I thought I'd mention, that Tattersail and Hairlock had books of sorcery in GotM, which seemed quite important to them. As there's no mentioning of that ever after, the idea has probably been abandoned as a GotMism ...
And of course learning a language is a walk in the park compared to shaping a warren
.And it's not that a warren actively comes to a person. Rather a mage in training tries to call upon a source of power and instinctively reaches to that which comes most easily - depending on personality (and maybe other factors as well) people seem to have some kind of affinity to certain warrens.
Finally I thought I'd mention, that Tattersail and Hairlock had books of sorcery in GotM, which seemed quite important to them. As there's no mentioning of that ever after, the idea has probably been abandoned as a GotMism ...
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Posted 22 July 2005 - 09:57 AM
I think thats the point isn't it. QB is so powerful that he can create illusionary deamons which can fool others. And like before if the recipient truly believes that there is a deamon clawing at there face then there face is in trouble! 
The fact is that in the malazan world reality and illusion are pretty much the same. The power of the warrens is all that is required to scare the c**p out of someone
The fact is that in the malazan world reality and illusion are pretty much the same. The power of the warrens is all that is required to scare the c**p out of someone
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Posted 07 July 2005 - 06:55 AM
So its sorta like performing a physical act that can do with the mind...
I'm not saying he can bash walls down though... I think it has to be linked to the warren.
I'm not saying he can bash walls down though... I think it has to be linked to the warren.
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Posted 07 July 2005 - 08:09 PM
thanks everyone for their replies
its just that the warrens appear to places of energy, energy that can be shaped by a mage, so could not shape the energy but simply unleash it...perhaps this would fry the body of the mage and that is why they don't do it...when Quick ben "unleashes the seven within himself" against Raest in GoTM he can't do much else, he's drained.
On Denul. the way the warren seems to work is through touch, even in the case of Caladan's High Denul, but i do not see why a user could not stop someone's heart if they had that inclination, but as Ceda said, it would be unlikely for a healer to do such a thing
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its just that the warrens appear to places of energy, energy that can be shaped by a mage, so could not shape the energy but simply unleash it...perhaps this would fry the body of the mage and that is why they don't do it...when Quick ben "unleashes the seven within himself" against Raest in GoTM he can't do much else, he's drained.
On Denul. the way the warren seems to work is through touch, even in the case of Caladan's High Denul, but i do not see why a user could not stop someone's heart if they had that inclination, but as Ceda said, it would be unlikely for a healer to do such a thing
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Posted 20 August 2005 - 10:25 PM
Using illusionary demons is also more self-preserving, as the "real" demons don't tend to forget and can cause damage to both parties 
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Posted 21 August 2005 - 07:24 PM
About those illusionary demons... i'd alwys thought that quick was drawing on hoods raw power to provide the oomph behind everything he did on that battlefield... and that normally he wouldn't eb able to bring up quite so many illusions.
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Posted 21 August 2005 - 09:09 PM
yes I agree on that. We know that he bargained with hood and talamandas to draw on their power.
But at the same time Tayshcren made him a high mage after and he accepted but if it was a once of thing his great power than I dont think he would accept a position that will see him killed next battle
But at the same time Tayshcren made him a high mage after and he accepted but if it was a once of thing his great power than I dont think he would accept a position that will see him killed next battle
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Posted 22 August 2005 - 12:22 AM
He was made High Mage because he's smart enough to blackmail a god into allowing him to draw on his power whenever he wants to. That surely deserves some kind of recognition.
On a completely irrelevant note, thanks to a certain member of the forums, whenever I imagine Quick Ben he comes up in my mind with the face of Sarah Michelle Gellar.
On a completely irrelevant note, thanks to a certain member of the forums, whenever I imagine Quick Ben he comes up in my mind with the face of Sarah Michelle Gellar.
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Posted 22 August 2005 - 02:44 PM
Asheroth said:
He was made High Mage because he's smart enough to blackmail a god into allowing him to draw on his power whenever he wants to. That surely deserves some kind of recognition.
On a completely irrelevant note, thanks to a certain member of the forums, whenever I imagine Quick Ben he comes up in my mind with the face of Sarah Michelle Gellar.
On a completely irrelevant note, thanks to a certain member of the forums, whenever I imagine Quick Ben he comes up in my mind with the face of Sarah Michelle Gellar.
re: QB - actually, Hood was the second god QB duped. ST in GotM was the first we saw. AND he gobsmacked the CG just for good measure in MoI. technically, Tays or Dujek should not have known about any of that tho'. Which makes me wonder....
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Posted 22 August 2005 - 05:11 PM
I thought that he was made high mage because he is incredibly powerful and commands lots of warrens. Seems reason enough.
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Posted 30 August 2005 - 01:37 PM
Just another take on Quick Ben as a high mage. For mine, QB became a high mage because he was recognized, or more correctly because he could no longer conceal his prodigious skill. In MoI, Whiskeyjack says to QB that the emperor would have taken him from him (W.); with Whiskeyjack’s connivance QB was able to hide as a squad mage. As a squad mage QB could not afford to let rip in the manner of Tayschrenn. After Coral QB’s prowess was out in the open, Tayschrenn knew how good QB was and the empire could not afford to waste that talent.
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Posted 30 August 2005 - 02:16 PM
Seeing this is the Bonehunters Forum.
Go back to Midnight Tides, as Corlo gives a farily decent explanation on how a sorcerer learns magic to Seren Pedac
And Yeh there is 'normally' a limit.
One can ONLY use seven warrens at ONCE. However one can use more warrens than that even as shown in Quick bens case, but as wen know he uses the souls of the mages in him to help him out in accessing the warrens other than Shadow, so most Mages are usually going to have around 1 warren they are quite adept in and maybe one or two others they have minor ability in and a high mage will have Very good control over one warren as well a decent control over a couple of others maybe.
Go back to Midnight Tides, as Corlo gives a farily decent explanation on how a sorcerer learns magic to Seren Pedac
And Yeh there is 'normally' a limit.
One can ONLY use seven warrens at ONCE. However one can use more warrens than that even as shown in Quick bens case, but as wen know he uses the souls of the mages in him to help him out in accessing the warrens other than Shadow, so most Mages are usually going to have around 1 warren they are quite adept in and maybe one or two others they have minor ability in and a high mage will have Very good control over one warren as well a decent control over a couple of others maybe.
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Posted 06 September 2005 - 03:16 AM
continuiing with the topic of questions
What is the difference between mages and priests in the malazab world? Apart from the obvioous, they both seem to be able to command power. What ithink is that a priest doesn't have to be a mage to be a priest, yet can be. Whats i find odd is that although Tayschrenn was a High Septarch of D'rek, his warren is Telas, not D'riss, like Mammot, anothewr High Priest of D'rek. Also how many high priests of a single god can you have? Is it a pyramid structure, like the catholic church, with a destriant at the top?
This brings on another question. The titles Destriant, Shield anvil and mortal sword were supposed to be titles in Fener's reve, the languge of the priesthood of ffener. Yet they transfer nicely to the cults of Togg, Fanderay and Treach...AND everyone inderstands them. What the heck is a DEstrient, does it actually mean anything?
as an aside, is there a reason why Telas is not in the glossary until HoC?
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What is the difference between mages and priests in the malazab world? Apart from the obvioous, they both seem to be able to command power. What ithink is that a priest doesn't have to be a mage to be a priest, yet can be. Whats i find odd is that although Tayschrenn was a High Septarch of D'rek, his warren is Telas, not D'riss, like Mammot, anothewr High Priest of D'rek. Also how many high priests of a single god can you have? Is it a pyramid structure, like the catholic church, with a destriant at the top?
This brings on another question. The titles Destriant, Shield anvil and mortal sword were supposed to be titles in Fener's reve, the languge of the priesthood of ffener. Yet they transfer nicely to the cults of Togg, Fanderay and Treach...AND everyone inderstands them. What the heck is a DEstrient, does it actually mean anything?
as an aside, is there a reason why Telas is not in the glossary until HoC?
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Posted 06 September 2005 - 04:55 PM
doesnt appear in moi, dg or gotm does it?
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Posted 06 September 2005 - 06:59 PM
A mage can use a warren but is not necessarily affiliated to a god.. A priest is affiliated to a god but not necessarily able to use a warren.
Tays uses Telas because that this the warren he can use! lol... likewise Mammot with D'riss... nothing to do with gods and high priests.
Destriant is like High Priest or arch priest - but in a military way? like army chaplain - kind of.. lol. These are ancient titles that are coming back into fashion...Trake/Treach, Togg/Fanderay and of course the House of Chains.
Thyr - Tellan - Telas - the latter being the human version. Not mentioned before? can't remember.. don't care..
iirc it's a bit of a rare warren for humans anyway - but no doubt someone will come and tell me that I'm wrong.. lol
Tays uses Telas because that this the warren he can use! lol... likewise Mammot with D'riss... nothing to do with gods and high priests.
Destriant is like High Priest or arch priest - but in a military way? like army chaplain - kind of.. lol. These are ancient titles that are coming back into fashion...Trake/Treach, Togg/Fanderay and of course the House of Chains.
Thyr - Tellan - Telas - the latter being the human version. Not mentioned before? can't remember.. don't care..
iirc it's a bit of a rare warren for humans anyway - but no doubt someone will come and tell me that I'm wrong.. lol
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Posted 06 September 2005 - 09:26 PM
Think the difference between a mage and a priest is made clear in HoC at some point. A priest gains use of magic through worship of a deity who grants him that power. A mage gains use of magic through being taught and their own discipline and learning.
