[Hetan]

SPOILERS WILL BE IN THIS THREAD - YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!






I've got to hand it to Krughava - the woman has the balls of an elephant. I just LOVE what she said to the Bolkando contingent -

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"Attend to your brigade Conquestor. It is tactically imperative that we obliterate your presence here prior to invading your kingdom."

about the Burned Tears.

I'm not so sure that her Destriant is on the right side of the fence though - I think there is a betrayal in the offing, if it hasn't taken place already.

[Illuyankas]

I think you mean her Shield Anvil, who seems like somewhat of a dick. But yeah, it's interesting how from Tanakalian's perspective she seems to be a classic 'legendary hero' with no regard for the lives of her followers, when really she's just competent and doesn't trust him much at all. It's a good POV and I liked it.

As for the betrayal, I'm going to guess that it's from Krughava, and she's forced to do it by the Wolves when they learn of Tavore's plan.

[Hetan]

Yup, I did in fact mean the SHield Anvil - I think Krughava's reluctance to appoint another Destriant lies in the fact that she doesn't trust him at all - he's a bit of a worm. What/whom do you think did the Destriant in? It reminded me a bit of the demise of the priest of Fenner who was dealt with by Itkovian.

[Illuyankas]

Dissolving into honey doesn't leave many likely targets - FL's hiding place? D'rek? I have no idea.

[Chaeone]

i thought she wasn't appointing a destriant due to the fact that one as already been chosen. its that girl thats with mappo and gruntle and tool's kids. (already can't remember her name ).

and i have to admit, i don't like the shield anvil, definitely lacking in commitment.

gotta say though, yeah, Khrughava, bitch got balls.

[Illuyankas]

Setoc.

[Chaeone]

Illuyankas, on Aug 21 2009, 12:32 PM, said:

Setoc.

Cheers, now hopefully i'll remember the name.

[Hetan]

But that's the whole point for me... how does Krughava know that there is a Destriant already? Do the wolves tell her? because I really think she may be aware of it.

Which brings me nicely back to Tanakalian again - he obviously doesn't know about the Destriant... so is he not trusted by the wolves?

[Chaeone]

Hetan, on Aug 21 2009, 01:13 PM, said:

But that's the whole point for me... how does Krughava know that there is a Destriant already? Do the wolves tell her? because I really think she may be aware of it.

Which brings me nicely back to Tanakalian again - he obviously doesn't know about the Destriant... so is he not trusted by the wolves?

Well, would the wolves not know that he didn't embrace the last destriant? I believe Krughava has her suspicions about his lack of commitment, so if she does, why not the wolves.

Although to be fair, i have to agree, how would she know bout a new destriant? my guess is that she suspects, due to the fact that no new candidate has come through the ranks of the grey helms. What do u think?

[Sinisdar Toste]

im sure she knows that the destriant is out there, she says it herself that the title is given to one who has already reached the appropriate stature anyway. the recognition by the grey swords is just a formality i think.

[prq]

I did find Tanakhalian to be an interesting character, different from all the "perfect" personalities of, say, the SA/MS/Dest of the Gray Swords or even Krughava herself. It's like a human side to the coldness that the position seems to (normally) require.

[Ben Adephon Delat]

I'd think Gruntle and Toc Anaster are sufficiently imperfect to give us our fill of such characters but hey if S.E. wants to give us another such character but make his imperfections render him detestable rather than loveable I'm all for it

[Abyss]

Chaeone, on 21 August 2009 - 12:33 PM, said:

QUOTE (Hetan @ Aug 21 2009, 01:13 PM) But that's the whole point for me... how does Krughava know that there is a Destriant already? Do the wolves tell her? because I really think she may be aware of it.

Which brings me nicely back to Tanakalian again - he obviously doesn't know about the Destriant... so is he not trusted by the wolves?

Well, would the wolves not know that he didn't embrace the last destriant? I believe Krughava has her suspicions about his lack of commitment, so if she does, why not the wolves.

Although to be fair, i have to agree, how would she know bout a new destriant? my guess is that she suspects, due to the fact that no new candidate has come through the ranks of the grey helms. What do u think?

I suspect the explanation is that she had a reluctance she did not understand, which was because of the Wolves' influence, but not outright telling her 'Hey, you with the big sword. We have this underage kid, a bit smelly, but anyways she'd destriant now so stop interviewing for the job'.

Ben Adephon Delat, on 19 November 2009 - 10:00 PM, said:

I'd think Gruntle and Toc Anaster are sufficiently imperfect to give us our fill of such characters but hey if S.E. wants to give us another such character but make his imperfections render him detestable rather than loveable I'm all for it

I suspect the point with Tanak' is that he doesn't know that he's playing into the CG's hands but at some critical point he's going to do something that will cost Tavore the support of the Grey Helms (politically or in bloody carnage-wroght fashion). When you consider that she's already lost the Khundryl and a big chunk of Bonehunters and Brys' escort, there is a certain logic to events transpiring that also eliminate the Helms and the Queen's elite/Gilk forces, at least to some extent.



- Abyss, expects the worse.... in a good way.

[Ben Adephon Delat]

Erikson really loves wiping out armies. Every army we've ever seen fielded has been wiped out. I think the only exception is Laseen's army in RotCG and that was ICE

[Mezla PigDog]

Abyss, on 19 November 2009 - 10:35 PM, said:

I suspect the point with Tanak' is that he doesn't know that he's playing into the CG's hands but at some critical point he's going to do something that will cost Tavore the support of the Grey Helms (politically or in bloody carnage-wroght fashion).

I think that seems too obvious now and so it won't happen like that. Tanakalian seems like too much of an obvious liability and SE loves a double or a triple bluff.

[Sinisdar Toste]

Mezla PigDog, on 20 November 2009 - 12:44 AM, said:

Abyss, on 19 November 2009 - 10:35 PM, said:

I suspect the point with Tanak' is that he doesn't know that he's playing into the CG's hands but at some critical point he's going to do something that will cost Tavore the support of the Grey Helms (politically or in bloody carnage-wroght fashion).

I think that seems too obvious now and so it won't happen like that. Tanakalian seems like too much of an obvious liability and SE loves a double or a triple bluff.

this is more what i expect from SE regarding tanak. sure on the face of it he seems to be a ripe candidate for manipulation, but there's something about him that i expect will prove to be very important to the conclusion of the plot. he's a shield anvil correct? holder of pain, but this guy reserves his right to judge those who he would embrace and this sets him apart from the ideal SA. i suspect he will have a large role to play in the final showdown with the CG, probably in a way none of us expect.

sort of a rorscharch looking down on the masses and whispering 'no' kind of thing

[Ain't_It_Just_]

I think Tanakalian's problem is that he keeps visualising a future of glory and all that stuff. And it distracts him. Who knows if it's important anymore, but maybe that is his weakness.

[Salk Elan]

Ain, on 20 November 2009 - 08:16 AM, said:

I think Tanakalian's problem is that he keeps visualising a future of glory and all that stuff. And it distracts him. Who knows if it's important anymore, but maybe that is his weakness.

For me Tanakalian's problem seemed to be just the other way round... a certain aimlessness because he felt himself, that he wasn't up to the task. And Krughava's open contempt for him - as she fits her rank unquestionably very well - did nothing to raise his state of mind.

Well... but that may just be me... As I know from a long read-only-experience in this forum, that my opinions often run contrary to those of the majority here...




Besides, hallo everybody!

[Abyss]

Ben Adephon Delat, on 19 November 2009 - 10:48 PM, said:

Erikson really loves wiping out armies. Every army we've ever seen fielded has been wiped out. I think the only exception is Laseen's army in RotCG and that was ICE

I can't explain why but i found this rep-worthily funny.


As for Tanak' - someone remind me, was he looking for a glorious death or resenting Krughava because he thinks SHE's looking for a glorious death?


Btw, we can't overlook that the Destriant had serious issues with tanak' just before he went all gooey. And more to the point, the important dude who had issues with Tanak' went all gooey - that can't be good.


- Abyss, ...notes 'slimey' would have been just as bad...

[Hellian's Keg Lid]

Tanakalian was a good continuation for me of the 'debate' from TtH in the cult of the Redeemer - the God who turns none away from his embrace. And of course Seerdomin and Itkovian had that discussion about how it was necessary to set limits upon it, and how Itkovian was trying to bring about change.

So now you have that same point brought up from a character who is not so very honorable or strait-laced, however you want to put it, and I like it

Granted, Tanak is a tool when it comes to viewing Krughava correctly, and he is glory obsessed, so he's coming at it from a less desirable direction.