[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 2. 3 hours and 30 minutes remaining

10 Players still alive: Bent, Bwgan, D'rek, Dibs, Dkt, Morgy, Obdi, Shinrei, Slick, Tapper

6 votes to lynch, 5 votes to go to night

1 vote for Bwgan: ( Dibs )
1 vote for Slick: ( Shinrei )
4 votes for D'rek: ( Morgy, Bent, Obdi, Dkt )

Players not voted: Bwgan, D'rek, Slick, Tapper

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I can't count the vote on Slick from D'rek because it's not in bold.

[drinksinbars]

Slick Mongoose, on Aug 5 2009, 04:08 PM, said:

drinksinbars, on Aug 5 2009, 03:55 PM, said:

Slick Mongoose, on Aug 5 2009, 03:19 PM, said:

drinksinbars, on Aug 5 2009, 03:03 PM, said:

if you are lying about being a finder, i am sure we will catch you out sooner rather than later,

Will we?

We have 10 players left. lynch someone other than Bent today, we'll have 8 players tomorrow. If there are 3 evil players then it's d-day.

If Bent says tomorrow that he's found a killer, we have a 50/50 choice of Bent or the other player. Get it wrong, we lose.

The only certain way out of this is to go to night tonight (ensuring that tomorrow isn't d-day and hoping that Bent finds a killer - we don't lose a lynch, we already lost that yesterday). We could lynch the most likely partner/symp to Bent today, but that's less certain.

ok i must be missing something here, but you are still gambling that he isnt the finder by your conclusion. If your not, please explain it to me, i aint trying to be difficult, but that is how it reads to me.

I'm saying that if we don't do something about it now, preferrably by going to night but possible by lynching Bent's likely symp or partner, we will not have any chance to catch Bent out. So we are completely relying on him telling the truth.

Your question is "what if he's the real finder?" If so, great. I don't think we lose anything by going to night or lynching Bent's likely teammates if this is the case - We don't lose a lynch, we've already lost that, and someone who might be Bent's teammate might also be guilty independently of Bent.

My question is, "What if he's lying?" Say we lynch an innocent today, and tomorrow Bent says that he's found someone guilty. It's d-day and we have to choose correctly, so there's no chance to catch Bent out.

Ok i get you now.

two major problems with this in my view both to do with the nk tonight if bent is the target.

1 - if bent dies tonight we are at square one. If we go for his likely symp partner and they come back inno then we have two innos dead and just fucked our own team.

2 - if we go to night and bent dies tonight, we start day 3 with no lynches and a dead finder.

neither of those scenarios is appealing.

[Bent]

drinksinbars, on Aug 5 2009, 11:13 AM, said:

Slick Mongoose, on Aug 5 2009, 04:08 PM, said:

drinksinbars, on Aug 5 2009, 03:55 PM, said:

Slick Mongoose, on Aug 5 2009, 03:19 PM, said:

drinksinbars, on Aug 5 2009, 03:03 PM, said:

if you are lying about being a finder, i am sure we will catch you out sooner rather than later,

Will we?

We have 10 players left. lynch someone other than Bent today, we'll have 8 players tomorrow. If there are 3 evil players then it's d-day.

If Bent says tomorrow that he's found a killer, we have a 50/50 choice of Bent or the other player. Get it wrong, we lose.

The only certain way out of this is to go to night tonight (ensuring that tomorrow isn't d-day and hoping that Bent finds a killer - we don't lose a lynch, we already lost that yesterday). We could lynch the most likely partner/symp to Bent today, but that's less certain.

ok i must be missing something here, but you are still gambling that he isnt the finder by your conclusion. If your not, please explain it to me, i aint trying to be difficult, but that is how it reads to me.

I'm saying that if we don't do something about it now, preferrably by going to night but possible by lynching Bent's likely symp or partner, we will not have any chance to catch Bent out. So we are completely relying on him telling the truth.

Your question is "what if he's the real finder?" If so, great. I don't think we lose anything by going to night or lynching Bent's likely teammates if this is the case - We don't lose a lynch, we've already lost that, and someone who might be Bent's teammate might also be guilty independently of Bent.

My question is, "What if he's lying?" Say we lynch an innocent today, and tomorrow Bent says that he's found someone guilty. It's d-day and we have to choose correctly, so there's no chance to catch Bent out.

Ok i get you now.

two major problems with this in my view both to do with the nk tonight if bent is the target.

1 - if bent dies tonight we are at square one. If we go for his likely symp partner and they come back inno then we have two innos dead and just fucked our own team.

2 - if we go to night and bent dies tonight, we start day 3 with no lynches and a dead finder.

neither of those scenarios is appealing.

Don't forget I have Morgy as inno, so it may not be much, but its there, of course if I am morgys symp, well that owuld be bad.

[drinksinbars]

Bent, on Aug 5 2009, 04:15 PM, said:

drinksinbars, on Aug 5 2009, 11:13 AM, said:

Slick Mongoose, on Aug 5 2009, 04:08 PM, said:

drinksinbars, on Aug 5 2009, 03:55 PM, said:

Slick Mongoose, on Aug 5 2009, 03:19 PM, said:

drinksinbars, on Aug 5 2009, 03:03 PM, said:

if you are lying about being a finder, i am sure we will catch you out sooner rather than later,

Will we?

We have 10 players left. lynch someone other than Bent today, we'll have 8 players tomorrow. If there are 3 evil players then it's d-day.

If Bent says tomorrow that he's found a killer, we have a 50/50 choice of Bent or the other player. Get it wrong, we lose.

The only certain way out of this is to go to night tonight (ensuring that tomorrow isn't d-day and hoping that Bent finds a killer - we don't lose a lynch, we already lost that yesterday). We could lynch the most likely partner/symp to Bent today, but that's less certain.

ok i must be missing something here, but you are still gambling that he isnt the finder by your conclusion. If your not, please explain it to me, i aint trying to be difficult, but that is how it reads to me.

I'm saying that if we don't do something about it now, preferrably by going to night but possible by lynching Bent's likely symp or partner, we will not have any chance to catch Bent out. So we are completely relying on him telling the truth.

Your question is "what if he's the real finder?" If so, great. I don't think we lose anything by going to night or lynching Bent's likely teammates if this is the case - We don't lose a lynch, we've already lost that, and someone who might be Bent's teammate might also be guilty independently of Bent.

My question is, "What if he's lying?" Say we lynch an innocent today, and tomorrow Bent says that he's found someone guilty. It's d-day and we have to choose correctly, so there's no chance to catch Bent out.

Ok i get you now.

two major problems with this in my view both to do with the nk tonight if bent is the target.

1 - if bent dies tonight we are at square one. If we go for his likely symp partner and they come back inno then we have two innos dead and just fucked our own team.

2 - if we go to night and bent dies tonight, we start day 3 with no lynches and a dead finder.

neither of those scenarios is appealing.

Don't forget I have Morgy as inno, so it may not be much, but its there, of course if I am morgys symp, well that owuld be bad.

yeah but a ci isnt as useful as a living finder. just dont announce your target on thread what ever you do and if you are alive in the morning i would think carefully before revealing the target unless you got a guilty as you make them an nk target. obviously if we go to lynch them a reveal would be prudent, but well you dont need me to teach you how to be finder.

[D'rek]

Oh wow, if Slick's vote counted I'd be at L-1!!!

[drinksinbars]

hitting the road in five. i still think the case on drek is too reactionary, and we have had nothing from bwgan or tapper all day. i will be on later though and will add my vote if its required.

[Path-Shaper]

D'rek, on Aug 5 2009, 10:56 AM, said:

Shinrei, on Aug 5 2009, 10:54 AM, said:

fucking hell drek,

its just me being ignored as usual

I've been right enough in th epast, and still people think 'oh i'ts just shin with "swinging e-peni" as morgy said.

oh fine

vote Slick

because I love you Shin, and a drunk Shin has never steered me wrong in the past. Slick still feels a bit scummy with his arguments flipping about and worst comes to worst I can cross off drunk-Shin from my list of potential psychic mafia peoples

D'rek, on Aug 5 2009, 11:19 AM, said:

Oh wow, if Slick's vote counted I'd be at L-1!!!

I think you got it backwards.

[drinksinbars]

D'rek, on Aug 5 2009, 04:19 PM, said:

Oh wow, if Slick's vote counted I'd be at L-1!!!

err, its your vote on slick that wasnt counted.

[D'rek]

Oh.

[D'rek]

Vote Slick ?

I love you Shin!

[Slick Mongoose]

drinksinbars, on Aug 5 2009, 04:13 PM, said:

1 - if bent dies tonight we are at square one. If we go for his likely symp partner and they come back inno then we have two innos dead and just fucked our own team.

This is true of anyone we might lynch.

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2 - if we go to night and bent dies tonight, we start day 3 with no lynches and a dead finder.

We don't lose a lynch by going to night tonight. We did that last night. We won't be in any worse a position by going to night tonight.

Plus if Bent dies tonight, he was always going to die tonight, nothing we can do will change that.

[Slick Mongoose]

If D'rek is evil, why didn't she kill Bent last night?

[Obdigore]

Slick Mongoose, on Aug 5 2009, 10:38 AM, said:

drinksinbars, on Aug 5 2009, 04:13 PM, said:

1 - if bent dies tonight we are at square one. If we go for his likely symp partner and they come back inno then we have two innos dead and just fucked our own team.

This is true of anyone we might lynch.

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2 - if we go to night and bent dies tonight, we start day 3 with no lynches and a dead finder.

We don't lose a lynch by going to night tonight. We did that last night. We won't be in any worse a position by going to night tonight.

Plus if Bent dies tonight, he was always going to die tonight, nothing we can do will change that.

So you are saying we should vote night eh?

That seems like an ... interesting... opinion.

[Slick Mongoose]

Obdigore, on Aug 5 2009, 04:39 PM, said:

So you are saying we should vote night eh?

That seems like an ... interesting... opinion.

Meaning what?

[Obdigore]

Slick Mongoose, on Aug 5 2009, 10:40 AM, said:

Obdigore, on Aug 5 2009, 04:39 PM, said:

So you are saying we should vote night eh?

That seems like an ... interesting... opinion.

Meaning what?

Meaning Voting night is fucking retarded and you are fucking retarded for suggesting it.

Get it now?

[Obdigore]

Bentypoo, listen to this:

If D'rek is guilty, could SM currently be attempting to symp votes off her by suggesting we vote night?

If D'rek is guilty, her partner would be either bwgan or shinrei, right?

But then using Meta, Tapper isn't posting anywhere like he should be, although he claims its because hes been having a social life (I don't believe it!).

[Slick Mongoose]

Obdigore, on Aug 5 2009, 04:44 PM, said:

Meaning Voting night is fucking retarded and you are fucking retarded for suggesting it.

Get it now?

How old are you?

[Obdigore]

Slick Mongoose, on Aug 5 2009, 10:48 AM, said:

Obdigore, on Aug 5 2009, 04:44 PM, said:

Meaning Voting night is fucking retarded and you are fucking retarded for suggesting it.

Get it now?

How old are you?

You are young enough to view that as an insult?

Perhaps if you did something other than attack me or the finder, or did something other than suggest we vote night on day 2, perhaps (can I say perhaps again?) I wouldn't call you fucking retarded.

But you aren't, you won't, and you are.

[D'rek]

Obdigore, on Aug 5 2009, 11:47 AM, said:

Bentypoo, listen to this:

If D'rek is guilty, could SM currently be attempting to symp votes off her by suggesting we vote night?

If D'rek is guilty, her partner would be either bwgan or shinrei, right?

But then using Meta, Tapper isn't posting anywhere like he should be, although he claims its because hes been having a social life (I don't believe it!).

Bentypoo, listen to this:

If D'rek is guilty, could Obdi currently be attempting to derail off her by suggesting a host of other victims that are suddenly very suspicious?

MY SYMP IS OBDI!!!

[Obdigore]

D'rek, on Aug 5 2009, 10:55 AM, said:

Obdigore, on Aug 5 2009, 11:47 AM, said:

Bentypoo, listen to this:

If D'rek is guilty, could SM currently be attempting to symp votes off her by suggesting we vote night?

If D'rek is guilty, her partner would be either bwgan or shinrei, right?

But then using Meta, Tapper isn't posting anywhere like he should be, although he claims its because hes been having a social life (I don't believe it!).

Bentypoo, listen to this:

If D'rek is guilty, could Obdi currently be attempting to derail off her by suggesting a host of other victims that are suddenly very suspicious?

MY SYMP IS OBDI!!!

But that is the thing, I am TRYING to lynch you.

I am saying to watch SM, who appears to be trying to throw shit on other people (or have us vote night) instead of lynching you.

See the difference? No? Well you have been playing poorly all game. Don't let my charming smile and dazzling wit confuse you, I will win this game for the innos.