[D'riss]

Kaschan, on Jul 31 2009, 12:05 AM, said:

The hell if I know. All I know, is even if town lynches right, I'm dead tonight. So I'm going to get my jollies.

Team game. Doesn't matter if you're dead tonight.

[Kaschan]

You don't see me off in a rush to vote anybody do you? I know it's a team game.

Why would GL code anything into a passage as scum? The two possibilities are: (1) killers can't talk; (2) set up an alibi. (1) Don't buy. (2) Could buy, but jesus, that is fantastically good play.

[Kaschan]

So, D'riss you see:

Scum 1: Kill
Scum 2: Evil finder
Scum 3: ???

[D'riss]

Why is 2 so hard to buy?

If you're an evil finder, why not code a find into your posts-so that you can later claim to be a good finder, which is almost certainly something an evil finder will do-since most finders are considered good.

[Kaschan]

I didn't say it was hard, I said I could buy it. Thoughts on the third scum power?

[D'riss]

Kaschan, on Jul 31 2009, 12:10 AM, said:

So, D'riss you see:

Scum 1: Kill
Scum 2: Evil finder
Scum 3: ???

Well, considering the power roles we have I doubt they don't have power roles.

I would guess HP has the kill because of sorrits death. I reckon that both vig and kill targetted sorrit, because I(HPs main attacker) was connecting the two, so if he knew sorrit as inno, it makes sense as a kill as it makes him look more inno.

Or 2 of them may share a kill-or one may have another power.

[D'riss]

Kaschan, on Jul 31 2009, 12:14 AM, said:

I didn't say it was hard, I said I could buy it. Thoughts on the third scum power?

Dunno, because I don't know what roles the dead have.

Considering we know of Healer, Guard and Vig, and will have had some more:

Killer and finder are a powerful combination.

An evil guard would help them considerably against the power roles.

I reckon an evil healer would be OP, if they knew each other.

So, if I had to take a guess i'd guess guard or roleless.

[Ampelas]

I think I figured things out, but I want Ruse's reveal to confirm it. When should he be back?

This post has been edited by Ampelas: 30 July 2009 - 11:23 PM

[Kaschan]

Your thoughts on Ampelas claiming vig on Sorrit? With no other deaths?

Edit: xpost @ D'riss.

This post has been edited by Kaschan: 30 July 2009 - 11:24 PM

[Kaschan]

Amp, who do you find scummy?

Edit: 4 hours, 3:30?

This post has been edited by Kaschan: 30 July 2009 - 11:26 PM

[D'riss]

Ampelas, on Jul 31 2009, 12:23 AM, said:

I think I figured things out, but I want Ruse's reveal to confirm it. When should he be back?

Yeah, I think I know who Ruse could be.

But if GL is lying, which I think she is, then it makes less sense.

Then again, the game was able to run with more, so some expected roles might not be in.

[Kaschan]

Amp? You can't just pop in here and say that then leave. Also, I would appreciate answers to my Ampelas question, D'riss and Ampelas, my scum question.

[Kaschan]

Seriously guys, book knowledge doesn't really dove-tail with this game.

[D'riss]

Kaschan, on Jul 31 2009, 12:24 AM, said:

Your thoughts on Ampelas claiming vig on Sorrit? With no other deaths?

Edit: xpost @ D'riss.

This question?

I said a minute ago-I think HP killed sorrit aswell.

This post has been edited by D'riss: 30 July 2009 - 11:30 PM

[Ampelas]

I took a shower. Hang on.

[Kaschan]

Seriously? Inno and scum killed the same player?

[Kaschan]

I might need to figure the odds on that one.

[D'riss]

Kaschan, on Jul 31 2009, 12:31 AM, said:

Seriously? Inno and scum killed the same player?

Can't see why not.

It's unlikely admittedly, but what other explanation do we have?

Someone tried to kill HP-Don't buy it, just doesn't make sense.

OR

Someone got guarded-Don't think we know who Ruse guarded night one. So this information could really help us.

[Ampelas]

We have all named roles revealed.

Dong Zhuo - HP (claim) - Quartermaster
Lu Zhi - Me (claim) - Vig, used
He Jin - Kaschan (claim) - Healer
Liu Yan - D'riss (claim) - RI
Feng Xu - Thyrllan (claim) - Conditional Vig if all generals are dead
Kong Rong - Emurlahn (claim) - RI
Cao Cao - Galayn Lord (claim) - RI then Finder
????? - Ruse (claim) - Guard

Huangfu Song - Omtose (CF) - Vig (presumably)
Zhu Jun - Karatallid (CF) - Vig (presumably)
Sun Jian - Serc (CF) - ?????
Yuan Shao - Sorrit (CF) - ?????

Zhang Jiao - ?????
Zhang Bao - ?????
Zhang Liang - ?????

Now, you see, based on my knowledge of the books Ruse is most likely Liu Bei because Liu Bei is essentially the book's protagonist. This also sets up the 3 kingdoms bit quite nicely (Sun Jian, Cao Cao, Liu Bei form the 3 kingdoms later in the book) and I highly doubt D'rek would omit him. Anyone inno would/should reveal their correct role name, so there's no reason that Ruse should not be Liu Bei unless Emu, Thyr, or D'riss are lying and are really Liu Bei. To reinforce this, Liu Bei controls an army of his own and actually (according to Wikipedia) saves Kong Rong at one point--that is, guarding against the attack coming in. A bit of a stretch, though.

So we have the 5 generals (me, HP, Kaschan, Omtose, Karatallid) along with several of the book's major powers (Sorrit / Yuan Shao, Serc / Sun Jian, GL / Cao Cao, and presumably Ruse / Liu Bei) which gives us 9 inno and 3 scum. These remaining 3, based on the reveals, are Thyrllan, D'riss, and Emurlahn.

Now, my memory is a little fuzzy on who was voting for who, particularly since Thyrllan was (I think) part of the push to lynch Emurlahn tonight.

Now that I think about it, though the interaction between HP and Thyr regarding the teaching thing was too chaotic to be orchestrated. However, because HP let Thyr know that he was supposed to have learned something beforehand, he could twist it to make it seem like a misunderstanding.

[Ampelas]

There ya go. Now I'm off to eat, so back in 20 minutes or so.