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Mafia 50: The Yellow Turban Rebellion Long live the Way of Peace

#801 User is offline   D'riss 

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Posted 30 July 2009 - 09:45 PM

Just thought i'd adress this as I came across it.


View PostAmpelas, on Jul 30 2009, 09:52 PM, said:

At this point my gut is screaming to me that D'riss, Thyr, and HP are our 3 scum and they've pulled an incredible mindfuck over all of us.

My reasoning:

First of all, I am Lu Zhi, the third of the 3 Han generals. I had a vig that I spent Night One on Sorrit. My reasoning was as follows:
1.) There are 2 other generals out there (each, also with a vig I assumed) and suspected at least one would kill HP on night 2 if not night 1. Then one general got modkilled (Silencer/Omtose) and then the other (Shinrei/Karatallid) died last night.
2.) With the claim that Dong Zhuo (a major Han power player and general) as a quartermaster supplying heals and guards, which is, to be frank, preposterous
3.) D'riss made the following post:

View PostD'riss, on Jul 28 2009, 04:58 PM, said:

If HP survives the night-which he almost certainly will, he should be lynched.

Yes, as I pointed out earlier, if he's inno scum will leave him, but we need to confirm.

The last minute de-rail has hurt us more than helped, imo.

After HP I would advise sorrit, who has quietly defended HP today, as well as de-rail his lynch at the last minute with a well timed vote.

Now, when I first read this, I suspected that it was possible that HP, D'riss, and Sorrit were somehow linked and that they were trying to distance. After all, HP, D'riss, and Thyr spent all of day one (more or less) pissing on each other, ultimately de-railing (with Sorrit's help) onto Serc day one. However, in retrospect, this could just as easily be a signal to his killer partners (HP or Thyr) to kill Sorrit (WIFOM or something? Dunno).
4.) I incorrectly alted Sorrit and wanted to cross a name off my list. Should've stuck with my original target of Thyrllan.

Yep, getting HP to L-1 was definetely distancing. I didn't even switch for fuck sake-everyone else de-railed onto serc and I was unhappy.

If you take a leap of faith and accept that HP, D'riss, and Thyr are full of shit and setting this up, then the following conclusions can be made:
-The three scum are HP, D'riss and Thyr
-Sorrit was a misguided inno who defended HP a little
-We've all been mindfucked


With the advent of day two, HP claimed (on thread) before D'riss had an opportunity to respond that he had given an ability to his partner Thyr. Thyr then fired back with a so-called misunderstanding, but after confirming with P-S they decided that they were given CATAPULTS THAT HEAL. What the FUCK is this? What kind of fucking catapult heals? A guard, possibly, or a vig, but a fucking HEAL? This is clearly full of shit. With this, they manage to PI the two of them, along with D'riss who's been buttbuddies with Thyr for most of the game. Then, after night two, they can immediately proceed to finger a target that has already received pressure (Emurlahn) and convince a couple innos to join in, thereby WINNING THE GAME.

Excuse me? How have I been PI'd in the slightest?

This is the least testable fucking reveal ever. By working with his partners D'riss (who helpfully pointed out the argument's flaws, which he was kind enough to do in the Finder's Mini as well right before he won that game) and Thyr, HP has made himself CI/PI and can suddenly shove the game in whatever direction he wants?

Again, excuse me? I think you may have failed to alt me-I didn't play the finders mini.

Therefore...
Vote Hood's Path

Or D'riss. Or Thyrllan. Any of them will do, so long as we take out a scum.

edit: fixed names. D'oh.


As for HP, I am less sure. Half of me thinks scum, half thinks the reveal was shitly done so badly, and he would've done this better as scum. On the other hand Thyrllan has used this so much as a defense it seems it could've been deliberate.

Not going to vote yet.

Not sure why the fuck i'm being lumped in with HP and Thyr.

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Posted 30 July 2009 - 09:46 PM

View PostHood's Path, on Jul 30 2009, 05:43 PM, said:

View PostAmpelas, on Jul 30 2009, 10:39 PM, said:

View PostThyrllan, on Jul 30 2009, 05:38 PM, said:

View PostEmurlahn, on Jul 30 2009, 04:36 PM, said:

Im here on and off, have been catching up. To reveal my name is Kong Rong, Im a minor Warlod in the Han forces. This amounts to roleless inno


Hot damn its a reveal.

If you are a roleless inno, why do Ampelas and Ruse keep defending you so much?

I just think that you, HP, and D'riss are the scum. The fact that you're simultaneously attacking Emur is irrelevant to my suspicions.

I'm waiting, instead, on your own reveal.



thats so reminicsent of day 1 its uncanny.

i really want to go to bed, but this is just too good :)

I know what you mean. D:

Let me put it this way: I in no way am convinced that Emur or Ruse or inno (even less so of Emur since that's twice now that he's been called out only to promptly show up afterward), but my gut is screaming that D'riss/HP/Thyr is the killer trio.

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Posted 30 July 2009 - 09:47 PM

View PostThyrllan, on Jul 30 2009, 10:44 PM, said:

HP, do me a favor and remove your vote, Ampelas remove yours, Ruse when you read this (assuming you aren't lurking) remove yours.

What if its goddamn D'riss/Kaschan/Galayn Lord?

WHAT THEN?



nah. i know i targetted emur and ruses reveal is so bullshit i aint going to change even out of manners. amp may be telling the truth but ruse didnt even reveal who his night one guard was. emur is scum i aint changing.

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Posted 30 July 2009 - 09:48 PM

View PostD'riss, on Jul 30 2009, 10:45 PM, said:

Not sure why the fuck i'm being lumped in with HP and Thyr.


no idea, it reminds me of sorritt and me getting lumped together :) even though he started the train on me. you have made it pretty fucking clear what you think of me.

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Posted 30 July 2009 - 09:48 PM

View PostEmurlahn, on Jul 30 2009, 10:36 PM, said:

Im here on and off, have been catching up. To reveal my name is Kong Rong, Im a minor Warlod in the Han forces. This amounts to roleless inno


This makes me slightly more trusting of Emurlahn, as his role matches mine closely, and it'd be a real lucky guess.

Since it's a revealfest:

I am Liu Yan, a minor Warlord supporting the Han. RI.

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Posted 30 July 2009 - 09:50 PM

View PostAmpelas, on Jul 30 2009, 04:43 PM, said:

Wait a second..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feng_Xu


There is no mention of any sorcery here. I have read the Romance of the Three Kingdoms, and there is absolutely ZERO sorcery in the book.


Either D'rek's deviated greatly from the book, or you're full of shit.


And mother fucking Dong Zhuo is the goddamn supreme general of the empires armies, not some quartermaster!

I'm not going to reveal a role I don't have. If it was a fake reveal, wouldn't I have followed the Wiki much more accurately? Here is what I would have said if I was fake Revealing:

Feng Xu, an eunuch. I can use my influence with the emperor once to have one general beheaded.

I know there is no sorcery in the romance of the three kingdoms, but there is in the yellow turban stuff, since the yellow turban leader is supposed to be a sorcerer.

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Posted 30 July 2009 - 09:51 PM

View PostHood's Path, on Jul 30 2009, 05:45 PM, said:

View PostAmpelas, on Jul 30 2009, 10:43 PM, said:

Wait a second..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feng_Xu


There is no mention of any sorcery here. I have read the Romance of the Three Kingdoms, and there is absolutely ZERO sorcery in the book.


Either D'rek's deviated greatly from the book, or you're full of shit.


true, but that wiki states that after the emporer was defeated he calimed power, which does concur with the role as he claims he gets a kill when the generals die.

Nope.

http://en.wikipedia....ular_attendants

The eunuchs gained power over time, but they never actually take over when the generals die. In fact, they kill one of the 5 Han generals (He Jin) in a power struggle. Also, the leader of those ten attendants is Zhang Rang, so I'm unsure why Feng Xu would be included instead.

Beyond all that, I don't get why they'd be in the game at all since the eunuchs don't factor into the rebellion itself.

It's Dong Zhuo who usurps the throne in the wake of the yellow turban rebellion, and he's eventually killed allowing Cao Cao to take control.

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Posted 30 July 2009 - 09:52 PM

That's it. I give up on trying to use the book, because it's clear that either I'm getting mindfucked from all directions or the book isn't followed anywhere near as closely as I originally thought.

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Posted 30 July 2009 - 09:54 PM

View PostAmpelas, on Jul 30 2009, 04:51 PM, said:

View PostHood's Path, on Jul 30 2009, 05:45 PM, said:

View PostAmpelas, on Jul 30 2009, 10:43 PM, said:

Wait a second..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feng_Xu


There is no mention of any sorcery here. I have read the Romance of the Three Kingdoms, and there is absolutely ZERO sorcery in the book.


Either D'rek's deviated greatly from the book, or you're full of shit.


true, but that wiki states that after the emporer was defeated he calimed power, which does concur with the role as he claims he gets a kill when the generals die.

Nope.

http://en.wikipedia....ular_attendants

The eunuchs gained power over time, but they never actually take over when the generals die. In fact, they kill one of the 5 Han generals (He Jin) in a power struggle. Also, the leader of those ten attendants is Zhang Rang, so I'm unsure why Feng Xu would be included instead.

Beyond all that, I don't get why they'd be in the game at all since the eunuchs don't factor into the rebellion itself.

It's Dong Zhuo who usurps the throne in the wake of the yellow turban rebellion, and he's eventually killed allowing Cao Cao to take control.


I can't answer your questions. I have revealed the role given to me by PS. I have played Dynasty Warriors 5 and Dynasty Warriors: Empires, and gone over the wiki some. I haven't read the book, I haven't looked into it more than that.

I couldn't fucking tell you why Feng Xu is included if Zhang Rang isn't.

Maybe Zhang Rang is? I don't know.

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Posted 30 July 2009 - 09:56 PM

Waiting on Omtose and Kaschan to reveal then, right?

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Posted 30 July 2009 - 09:56 PM

8 players still alive: Ampelas, D'riss, Emurlahn, Galayn Lord, Hood's Path, Kaschan, Ruse, Thyrllan

Well, due to Emurs reveal I think I trust him a bit. If he's scum, he's got very lucky.
I also trust Amp since the role is in the game and no counter.
Obviously I know I am innocent.

That leaves:

Galayn Lord, HP, Kaschan, Ruse, Thyrllan.

If I trust HP and Thyr, that means scum are GL, Kaschan, and Ruse.

However:

I believe Emur is innocent.
If Ruse is scum, why claim to guard HP rather than lynch Emur and win.
So that's out.

Since I think Emur is innocent due to his reveal, why would Ruse save him as scum?
So, Ruse PI to my mind.

Leaving Kaschan, HP, Thyrllan and Galayn Lord.

Logically I think the scum is in there, but that's quite dependant on Emurs reveal.

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Posted 30 July 2009 - 09:57 PM

and theres driss' reveal.

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Posted 30 July 2009 - 09:58 PM

Ha! Well the only thing I am convinced of is that Kaschan is inno, otherwise he would have leapt on Emur's train. Every other person here is suspicious. My confidence is shot though. Just trying to work through all the possible ways this could go and my head is spinning. Not to mention I am really tired. Instinct tells me HP and Thyr are telling the truth. But my instinct is crap. Never let me play this game again.

Edit: Cross post

This post has been edited by Galayn Lord: 30 July 2009 - 09:58 PM


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Posted 30 July 2009 - 09:58 PM

Im leaving work in 2 minutes.

I'm so fucking confused.

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Posted 30 July 2009 - 09:58 PM

View PostThyrllan, on Jul 30 2009, 10:56 PM, said:

Waiting on Omtose and Kaschan to reveal then, right?


your obsessed with omtose, its ruse you ninny. :)

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Posted 30 July 2009 - 09:58 PM

View PostHood's Path, on Jul 30 2009, 10:57 PM, said:

and theres driss' reveal.

Aye.

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Posted 30 July 2009 - 09:59 PM

View PostGalayn Lord, on Jul 30 2009, 04:58 PM, said:

Ha! Well the only thing I am convinced of is that Kaschan is inno, otherwise he would have leapt on Emur's train. Every other person here is suspicious. My confidence is shot though. Just trying to work through all the possible ways this could go and my head is spinning. Not to mention I am really tired. Instinct tells me HP and Thyr are telling the truth. But my instinct is crap. Never let me play this game again.

Edit: Cross post


Did you reveal?

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Posted 30 July 2009 - 09:59 PM

View PostHood's Path, on Jul 30 2009, 04:58 PM, said:

View PostThyrllan, on Jul 30 2009, 10:56 PM, said:

Waiting on Omtose and Kaschan to reveal then, right?


your obsessed with omtose, its ruse you ninny. :)


Same fucking person, look at their post counts!

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Posted 30 July 2009 - 10:00 PM

View PostThyrllan, on Jul 30 2009, 10:59 PM, said:

View PostHood's Path, on Jul 30 2009, 04:58 PM, said:

View PostThyrllan, on Jul 30 2009, 10:56 PM, said:

Waiting on Omtose and Kaschan to reveal then, right?


your obsessed with omtose, its ruse you ninny. :)


Same fucking person, look at their post counts!

At the start of each game, everyone is a clone.

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Posted 30 July 2009 - 10:01 PM

View PostGalayn Lord, on Jul 30 2009, 10:58 PM, said:

Ha! Well the only thing I am convinced of is that Kaschan is inno, otherwise he would have leapt on Emur's train. Every other person here is suspicious. My confidence is shot though. Just trying to work through all the possible ways this could go and my head is spinning. Not to mention I am really tired. Instinct tells me HP and Thyr are telling the truth. But my instinct is crap. Never let me play this game again.

Edit: Cross post



dont pussy out now. if your wrong your wrong. i dont mind, if we lose and i was right on thread and in my pms i will feel happy i made it this far against the odds and it was someone elses fault. i cant do or say anything else to convince people i am telling the truth without straying really far into meta territory and i do that enough by accident.

i think people should just pick now, so i can actually go to bed. almost all of us are here, we can choose.

either me or emur, or ruse cause his reveal was uber bs :)

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