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Mafia 50: The Yellow Turban Rebellion Long live the Way of Peace

#401 User is offline   Thyrllan 

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Posted 28 July 2009 - 09:20 PM

 Hood's Path, on Jul 28 2009, 04:14 PM, said:

 Thyrllan, on Jul 28 2009, 10:10 PM, said:

 Hood's Path, on Jul 28 2009, 04:08 PM, said:

 Thyrllan, on Jul 28 2009, 10:06 PM, said:

 Hood's Path, on Jul 28 2009, 04:04 PM, said:

i will give a power to one player on my train, that will be a healing power for tomorrow night. it wont be driss.


see, you can't say 'it won't be d'riss' because then everyone thinks you are doing misdirection and it will be D'riss.

/sigh.


no, i want my power to go to a han or else its wasted. it will NOT BE DRISS.


Mmhmm.

You have no idea what the fuck you are doing, do you? (Insert Meta Joke about someone who isn't playing the game). You almost got yourself lynched day 1. If your shit is real, you are dead tonight.

So tell me, you get to choose tonight what someone else gets to do tomorrow night, right? Did Path-Shaper ask you before the game to give someone a power for tonight? Also, do you really think anyone not idiotic would believe that Path-Shaper said to you 'what symp?'?


he really did.


as for the power - the yellow cant recieve it. so i suppose i could try to give it to driss but then it would be obvious he had it if i survived tongiht as he wouldnt go after me tomorrow thus garaunteeing two ci on thread and both would be fucked.

it would only work as a find if i wasnt sure to die, and only middle of the road for a lynch where someone voting me against the grain that i expected to vote tomorrow the same way.

therefore i am picking a player that i dont think is yellow army.


He really did what? He who? Pathshaper asked you who you wanted to give a power too before the game started?

If so, why didn't this person come forward? Oh wait, that would have confirmed your reveal already.

I am saying, you dumbass, if you have this power, which I don't think you do, YOU DONT SAY WHO YOU ARE OR ARE NOT GOING TO USE IT ON. YOU ATTEMPT NO DIRECTION, MISDIRECTION, OR COCKDIRECTION.

You use it how you want, you did mention earlier that the yellows cant get it and you will be told it failed. That means you can use it as a find, OR give a guard/heal to a random person on night 2. And then you come out and act like an absolute douche bag on thread, while doggedly following a bullshit statement, and overreacting to other people putting pressure on you.


Now, let me give you some advice, you who seem to be trying to play the noob card, STOP FUCKING POSTING, GET YOUR NIGHT ACTION IN, AND SEE WHAT COMES ABOUT TOMORROW. Jesus H. Christ on a bicycle you are playing fucktarded if you truly are an inno.

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Posted 28 July 2009 - 09:20 PM

 Hood's Path, on Jul 28 2009, 10:16 PM, said:

 D'riss, on Jul 28 2009, 10:12 PM, said:

 Thyrllan, on Jul 28 2009, 10:10 PM, said:

If your shit is real, you are dead tonight.


Please.

This is a stupid assumption.

Why would the killers kill HP, if he's inno?

Why not kill someone else, and make us waste a lynch tommorow?

What do they lose doing that?



seriously, if you think that and you are inno i will give you a heal tonight and you can come on tomorrow and eat your words, but i dodnt expect to live, and i dont think you are inno so there is no point.
Well, I'm innocent.

However, it would be better given to someone less in the action, less likely to be killed tonight, and someone you trust as inno so less likely to be lynched tommorow. Also, don't say on thread, and don't narrow it down for the killers.

I can't say I particularly expect to live either, since i'd be an easy kill, and it'd be easy to use the obvious frame excuse. Also, since if you live you will hopefully be lynched tommorow, you don't lose anything doing it.

Of course, this is mafia-everyone gets paranoid they're gonna die.

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Posted 28 July 2009 - 09:22 PM

As for DK, this is only based on dynasty warriors knowledge, but it's best to play worst case scenario.

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Posted 28 July 2009 - 09:22 PM

 Thyrllan, on Jul 28 2009, 10:20 PM, said:

 Hood's Path, on Jul 28 2009, 04:14 PM, said:

 Thyrllan, on Jul 28 2009, 10:10 PM, said:

 Hood's Path, on Jul 28 2009, 04:08 PM, said:

 Thyrllan, on Jul 28 2009, 10:06 PM, said:

 Hood's Path, on Jul 28 2009, 04:04 PM, said:

i will give a power to one player on my train, that will be a healing power for tomorrow night. it wont be driss.


see, you can't say 'it won't be d'riss' because then everyone thinks you are doing misdirection and it will be D'riss.

/sigh.


no, i want my power to go to a han or else its wasted. it will NOT BE DRISS.


Mmhmm.

You have no idea what the fuck you are doing, do you? (Insert Meta Joke about someone who isn't playing the game). You almost got yourself lynched day 1. If your shit is real, you are dead tonight.

So tell me, you get to choose tonight what someone else gets to do tomorrow night, right? Did Path-Shaper ask you before the game to give someone a power for tonight? Also, do you really think anyone not idiotic would believe that Path-Shaper said to you 'what symp?'?


he really did.


as for the power - the yellow cant recieve it. so i suppose i could try to give it to driss but then it would be obvious he had it if i survived tongiht as he wouldnt go after me tomorrow thus garaunteeing two ci on thread and both would be fucked.

it would only work as a find if i wasnt sure to die, and only middle of the road for a lynch where someone voting me against the grain that i expected to vote tomorrow the same way.

therefore i am picking a player that i dont think is yellow army.


He really did what? He who? Pathshaper asked you who you wanted to give a power too before the game started?

If so, why didn't this person come forward? Oh wait, that would have confirmed your reveal already.

I am saying, you dumbass, if you have this power, which I don't think you do, YOU DONT SAY WHO YOU ARE OR ARE NOT GOING TO USE IT ON. YOU ATTEMPT NO DIRECTION, MISDIRECTION, OR COCKDIRECTION.

You use it how you want, you did mention earlier that the yellows cant get it and you will be told it failed. That means you can use it as a find, OR give a guard/heal to a random person on night 2. And then you come out and act like an absolute douche bag on thread, while doggedly following a bullshit statement, and overreacting to other people putting pressure on you.


Now, let me give you some advice, you who seem to be trying to play the noob card, STOP FUCKING POSTING, GET YOUR NIGHT ACTION IN, AND SEE WHAT COMES ABOUT TOMORROW. Jesus H. Christ on a bicycle you are playing fucktarded if you truly are an inno.




no i told you i wasnt told if it was successful. you do read the thread dont you. and pathshaper did say "what symp" not ask me to select someone for night one.

as for playing the noob card, i am already dead, i have my night action in and i am just trying to get you to dig a bigger fucking hole for your grave :) and its working wonders.

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Posted 28 July 2009 - 09:23 PM

 D'riss, on Jul 28 2009, 04:14 PM, said:

 Hood's Path, on Jul 28 2009, 10:07 PM, said:

speaking of which, anyone any idea about sun jian? wiki doesnt give much info, mines a doozey though, i was even in dynasty warriors 2. strangely i am mention as an enemy of sun jian, oh karma of thousands of years in effect there.



 Thyrllan, on Jul 28 2009, 10:08 PM, said:

The Dynasty Warriors games are generally set just after the Yellow Turban rebellion.

Dynasty Warriors information:

Sun Jian is one of the generals who leads one of the 3 main factions of the game against the Yellow Turban Rebellion.

I don't know how historically accurate the games are, or if they impact this game, or whatever, but he would be a likely power role if there is resemblance to the games.


History Buff that I am, I was perusing the Wiki - The Dynasty Warriors 'Romance of the Three Kingdoms' setting seems to come after the Yellow Turban Rebellion, although one of the ones I played, the first campaign is crushing that rebellion. Not sure where PS is pulling from, or if he is mashing stuff together.

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Posted 28 July 2009 - 09:24 PM

 D'riss, on Jul 28 2009, 10:20 PM, said:

 Hood's Path, on Jul 28 2009, 10:16 PM, said:

 D'riss, on Jul 28 2009, 10:12 PM, said:

 Thyrllan, on Jul 28 2009, 10:10 PM, said:

If your shit is real, you are dead tonight.


Please.

This is a stupid assumption.

Why would the killers kill HP, if he's inno?

Why not kill someone else, and make us waste a lynch tommorow?

What do they lose doing that?



seriously, if you think that and you are inno i will give you a heal tonight and you can come on tomorrow and eat your words, but i dodnt expect to live, and i dont think you are inno so there is no point.
Well, I'm innocent.

However, it would be better given to someone less in the action, less likely to be killed tonight, and someone you trust as inno so less likely to be lynched tommorow. Also, don't say on thread, and don't narrow it down for the killers.

I can't say I particularly expect to live either, since i'd be an easy kill, and it'd be easy to use the obvious frame excuse. Also, since if you live you will hopefully be lynched tommorow, you don't lose anything doing it.

Of course, this is mafia-everyone gets paranoid they're gonna die.


easy kill? your prime lynch after me matey. i will cf inno and you will be up next for pushing so hard after a reveal and double standards and a whole host of other shit if people are sensible.

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Posted 28 July 2009 - 09:24 PM

 Hood's Path, on Jul 28 2009, 10:22 PM, said:

 Thyrllan, on Jul 28 2009, 10:20 PM, said:

 Hood's Path, on Jul 28 2009, 04:14 PM, said:

 Thyrllan, on Jul 28 2009, 10:10 PM, said:

 Hood's Path, on Jul 28 2009, 04:08 PM, said:

 Thyrllan, on Jul 28 2009, 10:06 PM, said:

 Hood's Path, on Jul 28 2009, 04:04 PM, said:

i will give a power to one player on my train, that will be a healing power for tomorrow night. it wont be driss.


see, you can't say 'it won't be d'riss' because then everyone thinks you are doing misdirection and it will be D'riss.

/sigh.


no, i want my power to go to a han or else its wasted. it will NOT BE DRISS.


Mmhmm.

You have no idea what the fuck you are doing, do you? (Insert Meta Joke about someone who isn't playing the game). You almost got yourself lynched day 1. If your shit is real, you are dead tonight.

So tell me, you get to choose tonight what someone else gets to do tomorrow night, right? Did Path-Shaper ask you before the game to give someone a power for tonight? Also, do you really think anyone not idiotic would believe that Path-Shaper said to you 'what symp?'?


he really did.


as for the power - the yellow cant recieve it. so i suppose i could try to give it to driss but then it would be obvious he had it if i survived tongiht as he wouldnt go after me tomorrow thus garaunteeing two ci on thread and both would be fucked.

it would only work as a find if i wasnt sure to die, and only middle of the road for a lynch where someone voting me against the grain that i expected to vote tomorrow the same way.

therefore i am picking a player that i dont think is yellow army.


He really did what? He who? Pathshaper asked you who you wanted to give a power too before the game started?

If so, why didn't this person come forward? Oh wait, that would have confirmed your reveal already.

I am saying, you dumbass, if you have this power, which I don't think you do, YOU DONT SAY WHO YOU ARE OR ARE NOT GOING TO USE IT ON. YOU ATTEMPT NO DIRECTION, MISDIRECTION, OR COCKDIRECTION.

You use it how you want, you did mention earlier that the yellows cant get it and you will be told it failed. That means you can use it as a find, OR give a guard/heal to a random person on night 2. And then you come out and act like an absolute douche bag on thread, while doggedly following a bullshit statement, and overreacting to other people putting pressure on you.


Now, let me give you some advice, you who seem to be trying to play the noob card, STOP FUCKING POSTING, GET YOUR NIGHT ACTION IN, AND SEE WHAT COMES ABOUT TOMORROW. Jesus H. Christ on a bicycle you are playing fucktarded if you truly are an inno.




no i told you i wasnt told if it was successful. you do read the thread dont you. and pathshaper did say "what symp" not ask me to select someone for night one.

as for playing the noob card, i am already dead, i have my night action in and i am just trying to get you to dig a bigger fucking hole for your grave :) and its working wonders.


How so?

If you play like an idiot on purpose you can hardly call someone scummy when they point it out. How does that work.

*plays like an idiot*
"You've been playing like an idiot"
"AHA! But it was on purpose scum"

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Posted 28 July 2009 - 09:25 PM

bed time. dont expect to see you all tomorrow. good luck innos. if omtose and ruse are scum i will eat driss' hat.

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Posted 28 July 2009 - 09:25 PM

it works wonderfully thank you very much.

your playing like an over bearing smart arse, hows that working out for you?

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Posted 28 July 2009 - 09:29 PM

 Hood's Path, on Jul 28 2009, 10:24 PM, said:

 D'riss, on Jul 28 2009, 10:20 PM, said:

 Hood's Path, on Jul 28 2009, 10:16 PM, said:

 D'riss, on Jul 28 2009, 10:12 PM, said:

 Thyrllan, on Jul 28 2009, 10:10 PM, said:

If your shit is real, you are dead tonight.


Please.

This is a stupid assumption.

Why would the killers kill HP, if he's inno?

Why not kill someone else, and make us waste a lynch tommorow?

What do they lose doing that?



seriously, if you think that and you are inno i will give you a heal tonight and you can come on tomorrow and eat your words, but i dodnt expect to live, and i dont think you are inno so there is no point.
Well, I'm innocent.

However, it would be better given to someone less in the action, less likely to be killed tonight, and someone you trust as inno so less likely to be lynched tommorow. Also, don't say on thread, and don't narrow it down for the killers.

I can't say I particularly expect to live either, since i'd be an easy kill, and it'd be easy to use the obvious frame excuse. Also, since if you live you will hopefully be lynched tommorow, you don't lose anything doing it.

Of course, this is mafia-everyone gets paranoid they're gonna die.


easy kill? your prime lynch after me matey. i will cf inno and you will be up next for pushing so hard after a reveal and double standards and a whole host of other shit if people are sensible.

Perhaps.

On the other hand, if you are inno, you've played terribly.

Being wrong doesn't mean scum, particularly if the person you push plays like an inno.

Even if you have the role you claim, I still stand that it would have been better to lynch you day one for the information, rather than lynching Serc, and giving the killers a kill, and getting little information, and then lynching you later anyway.

So, we've lost two innos, for the sake of gaining a heal on night two IF you are innocent, and now have worse information than we would have, since serc yields little information, and he wasn't involved in the main action, so the main actions information will still come from someone elses(probably your) CF anyhow.

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Posted 28 July 2009 - 09:31 PM

 Hood's Path, on Jul 28 2009, 10:25 PM, said:

it works wonderfully thank you very much.

your playing like an over bearing smart arse, hows that working out for you?

Fantastically. I enjoy waving my smart bears arse over people.

I simply try to go for who I believe is scum, and explain why I think what they do is scummy. Rather than pointing and shouting.

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Posted 28 July 2009 - 09:33 PM

but he was involved in the main action, he was involved in the train on emurlahn and he was involved in another dispute with karat.

and played terribly is subjective and i dont need you to tell me what i have or havent done. you have been so on the money as well i wonder how you can cope with being right all the time...

:)

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Posted 28 July 2009 - 09:33 PM

 Hood's Path, on Jul 28 2009, 04:25 PM, said:

bed time. dont expect to see you all tomorrow. good luck innos. if omtose and ruse are scum i will eat driss' hat.


Why the fuck are you bringing up Omtose and Ruse?

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no i told you i wasnt told if it was successful. you do read the thread dont you. and pathshaper did say "what symp" not ask me to select someone for night one.

as for playing the noob card, i am already dead, i have my night action in and i am just trying to get you to dig a bigger fucking hole for your grave :) and its working wonders.


And this fatalistic crap is retarded, and full of WIFOM. But then again, that is about all your entire presence today has been, besides that bullshit reveal.

My grave? Dig a hole? You don't understand that when people point out holes in your imbecillic logic, they aren't hurting themselves, but making you seem a fool.

So I guess I am confused on your reveal, because it was shit. You claimed you can give people roles, do they get to use them that night? No? Then you claim PS didn't ask you to choose someone before night one, yes? Oh wait you didnt answer that, and started talking about PS telling you there are no symps, which wouldn't have ever been revealed to any player in the game.

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Posted 28 July 2009 - 09:36 PM

 D'riss, on Jul 28 2009, 10:31 PM, said:

 Hood's Path, on Jul 28 2009, 10:25 PM, said:

it works wonderfully thank you very much.

your playing like an over bearing smart arse, hows that working out for you?

Fantastically. I enjoy waving my smart bears arse over people.

I simply try to go for who I believe is scum, and explain why I think what they do is scummy. Rather than pointing and shouting.


shouldnt that be as well as pointing and shouting.

because i went for who i thought was scum all day and all that got me a load of heat from you.

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Posted 28 July 2009 - 09:36 PM

 Hood's Path, on Jul 28 2009, 10:33 PM, said:

but he was involved in the main action, he was involved in the train on emurlahn and he was involved in another dispute with karat.

and played terribly is subjective and i dont need you to tell me what i have or havent done. you have been so on the money as well i wonder how you can cope with being right all the time...

:)

If I am wrong about you at least we will have information.

The emur train and karat will give information, but I think your lynch would have given far more, since there was more discussion, and any information from you will be more liekly to decide the next lynch than his.

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Posted 28 July 2009 - 09:37 PM

 Thyrllan, on Jul 28 2009, 10:33 PM, said:

 Hood's Path, on Jul 28 2009, 04:25 PM, said:

bed time. dont expect to see you all tomorrow. good luck innos. if omtose and ruse are scum i will eat driss' hat.


Why the fuck are you bringing up Omtose and Ruse?

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no i told you i wasnt told if it was successful. you do read the thread dont you. and pathshaper did say "what symp" not ask me to select someone for night one.

as for playing the noob card, i am already dead, i have my night action in and i am just trying to get you to dig a bigger fucking hole for your grave :) and its working wonders.


And this fatalistic crap is retarded, and full of WIFOM. But then again, that is about all your entire presence today has been, besides that bullshit reveal.

My grave? Dig a hole? You don't understand that when people point out holes in your imbecillic logic, they aren't hurting themselves, but making you seem a fool.

So I guess I am confused on your reveal, because it was shit. You claimed you can give people roles, do they get to use them that night? No? Then you claim PS didn't ask you to choose someone before night one, yes? Oh wait you didnt answer that, and started talking about PS telling you there are no symps, which wouldn't have ever been revealed to any player in the game.



there you went and hurt my feelings.

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Posted 28 July 2009 - 09:37 PM

 Hood's Path, on Jul 28 2009, 10:36 PM, said:

 D'riss, on Jul 28 2009, 10:31 PM, said:

 Hood's Path, on Jul 28 2009, 10:25 PM, said:

it works wonderfully thank you very much.

your playing like an over bearing smart arse, hows that working out for you?

Fantastically. I enjoy waving my smart bears arse over people.

I simply try to go for who I believe is scum, and explain why I think what they do is scummy. Rather than pointing and shouting.


shouldnt that be as well as pointing and shouting.

because i went for who i thought was scum all day and all that got me a load of heat from you.

Try making sense then, instead of going for people based on nothing. Consistency is nice too.

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Posted 28 July 2009 - 09:37 PM

 D'riss, on Jul 28 2009, 10:36 PM, said:

 Hood's Path, on Jul 28 2009, 10:33 PM, said:

but he was involved in the main action, he was involved in the train on emurlahn and he was involved in another dispute with karat.

and played terribly is subjective and i dont need you to tell me what i have or havent done. you have been so on the money as well i wonder how you can cope with being right all the time...

:)

If I am wrong about you at least we will have information.

The emur train and karat will give information, but I think your lynch would have given far more, since there was more discussion, and any information from you will be more liekly to decide the next lynch than his.


which you should get anyway.

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Posted 28 July 2009 - 09:39 PM

 Hood's Path, on Jul 28 2009, 10:37 PM, said:

 D'riss, on Jul 28 2009, 10:36 PM, said:

 Hood's Path, on Jul 28 2009, 10:33 PM, said:

but he was involved in the main action, he was involved in the train on emurlahn and he was involved in another dispute with karat.

and played terribly is subjective and i dont need you to tell me what i have or havent done. you have been so on the money as well i wonder how you can cope with being right all the time...

:)

If I am wrong about you at least we will have information.

The emur train and karat will give information, but I think your lynch would have given far more, since there was more discussion, and any information from you will be more liekly to decide the next lynch than his.


which you should get anyway.

Yes, with an extra lynch. But I find an NK unlikely, for reasons i've explained several times.

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Posted 28 July 2009 - 09:39 PM

 Hood's Path, on Jul 28 2009, 04:37 PM, said:

 Thyrllan, on Jul 28 2009, 10:33 PM, said:

 Hood's Path, on Jul 28 2009, 04:25 PM, said:

bed time. dont expect to see you all tomorrow. good luck innos. if omtose and ruse are scum i will eat driss' hat.


Why the fuck are you bringing up Omtose and Ruse?

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no i told you i wasnt told if it was successful. you do read the thread dont you. and pathshaper did say "what symp" not ask me to select someone for night one.

as for playing the noob card, i am already dead, i have my night action in and i am just trying to get you to dig a bigger fucking hole for your grave :) and its working wonders.


And this fatalistic crap is retarded, and full of WIFOM. But then again, that is about all your entire presence today has been, besides that bullshit reveal.

My grave? Dig a hole? You don't understand that when people point out holes in your imbecillic logic, they aren't hurting themselves, but making you seem a fool.

So I guess I am confused on your reveal, because it was shit. You claimed you can give people roles, do they get to use them that night? No? Then you claim PS didn't ask you to choose someone before night one, yes? Oh wait you didnt answer that, and started talking about PS telling you there are no symps, which wouldn't have ever been revealed to any player in the game.



there you went and hurt my feelings.


Stop calling people dickbags and try to help out your fellow innocents by answering the questions, instead of the peck of shit play you are producing right now.

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