[Hood's Path]

D'riss, on Jul 31 2009, 02:31 PM, said:

Thyrllan, on Jul 31 2009, 02:29 PM, said:

D'riss, on Jul 31 2009, 08:28 AM, said:

Galayn Lord, on Jul 31 2009, 02:26 PM, said:

@D'riss - your process of elimination sucks.

Explain why.

Emur I believe is inno since he seems to have same role PM as me.
This makes Ruse inno, as why would he claim guard, a claim which saves Emur.
I believe Kaschan and Ampelas' reveals, and know I am innocent.

Leaving You, HP, and Thyr.

I find the chances of Emur getting lucky with his claim larger than the chances you are scum.

But how does Ruse know Emurlahn is inno?

Dunno if he's innocent. But if Ruse was scum, he would know Emur was inno(if emur is, which I believe) and so wouldn't claim, just let us lynch emur and win.

which is why they are scum, as his claim doesnt make me look guilty, if anything it adds credence to my story as how could i have known as a killer fake revealing quarter master to catch out emur two days later that a guard would come forward. His claim rather than make me look worse, is the same as the catapults, it proves i am telling the truth.

instead both he and you are seeing through scum tainted glasses and painting the guard reveal as proof of my guilt.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 3. 8 hours, 40 minutes remaining.

8 players still alive: Ampelas, D'riss, Emurlahn, Galayn Lord, Hood's Path, Kaschan, Ruse, Thyrllan
5 votes to lynch. 4 to go to night.

1 vote Emurlahn (Hood's Path)
3 votes Thyrllan (Ruse, Thyrllan, D'riss)


Not voted: Ampelas, Emurlahn, Galayn Lord, Kaschan


There was no RI pms sent to scum, that's what the lists at the beginning were for.

[D'riss]

Thyrllan, on Jul 31 2009, 02:33 PM, said:

D'riss, on Jul 31 2009, 08:31 AM, said:

Thyrllan, on Jul 31 2009, 02:29 PM, said:

D'riss, on Jul 31 2009, 08:28 AM, said:

Galayn Lord, on Jul 31 2009, 02:26 PM, said:

@D'riss - your process of elimination sucks.

Explain why.

Emur I believe is inno since he seems to have same role PM as me.
This makes Ruse inno, as why would he claim guard, a claim which saves Emur.
I believe Kaschan and Ampelas' reveals, and know I am innocent.

Leaving You, HP, and Thyr.

I find the chances of Emur getting lucky with his claim larger than the chances you are scum.

But how does Ruse know Emurlahn is inno?

Dunno if he's innocent. But if Ruse was scum, he would know Emur was inno(if emur is, which I believe) and so wouldn't claim, just let us lynch emur and win.

Unless Emur is Scum and Ruse is also scum? Then he would need to defend Emur in the hopes of a lynch tonight, which is what I have been fucking saying.

Have you forgotten that the last few games (at least hte ones I played), the killers have been getting sent the RI role PM as well to prevent this kind of reasoning?

I haven't played in about a month. So haven't played the last few games. And was unaware of the killers getting the RI role PM.

As for them both being scum, I know that they could both be, but trust Emur somewhat due to his claim.

[D'riss]

Hood's Path, on Jul 31 2009, 02:34 PM, said:

D'riss, on Jul 31 2009, 02:31 PM, said:

Thyrllan, on Jul 31 2009, 02:29 PM, said:

D'riss, on Jul 31 2009, 08:28 AM, said:

Galayn Lord, on Jul 31 2009, 02:26 PM, said:

@D'riss - your process of elimination sucks.

Explain why.

Emur I believe is inno since he seems to have same role PM as me.
This makes Ruse inno, as why would he claim guard, a claim which saves Emur.
I believe Kaschan and Ampelas' reveals, and know I am innocent.

Leaving You, HP, and Thyr.

I find the chances of Emur getting lucky with his claim larger than the chances you are scum.

But how does Ruse know Emurlahn is inno?

Dunno if he's innocent. But if Ruse was scum, he would know Emur was inno(if emur is, which I believe) and so wouldn't claim, just let us lynch emur and win.

which is why they are scum, as his claim doesnt make me look guilty, if anything it adds credence to my story as how could i have known as a killer fake revealing quarter master to catch out emur two days later that a guard would come forward. His claim rather than make me look worse, is the same as the catapults, it proves i am telling the truth.

instead both he and you are seeing through scum tainted glasses and painting the guard reveal as proof of my guilt.

Nope.

As I said earlier, I don't see how a guard reveal makes either you or emur look worse.

[Thyrllan]

D'riss, on Jul 31 2009, 08:37 AM, said:

Hood's Path, on Jul 31 2009, 02:34 PM, said:

D'riss, on Jul 31 2009, 02:31 PM, said:

Thyrllan, on Jul 31 2009, 02:29 PM, said:

D'riss, on Jul 31 2009, 08:28 AM, said:

Galayn Lord, on Jul 31 2009, 02:26 PM, said:

@D'riss - your process of elimination sucks.

Explain why.

Emur I believe is inno since he seems to have same role PM as me.
This makes Ruse inno, as why would he claim guard, a claim which saves Emur.
I believe Kaschan and Ampelas' reveals, and know I am innocent.

Leaving You, HP, and Thyr.

I find the chances of Emur getting lucky with his claim larger than the chances you are scum.

But how does Ruse know Emurlahn is inno?

Dunno if he's innocent. But if Ruse was scum, he would know Emur was inno(if emur is, which I believe) and so wouldn't claim, just let us lynch emur and win.

which is why they are scum, as his claim doesnt make me look guilty, if anything it adds credence to my story as how could i have known as a killer fake revealing quarter master to catch out emur two days later that a guard would come forward. His claim rather than make me look worse, is the same as the catapults, it proves i am telling the truth.

instead both he and you are seeing through scum tainted glasses and painting the guard reveal as proof of my guilt.

Nope.

As I said earlier, I don't see how a guard reveal makes either you or emur look worse.

It dosen't, which is the point. Why is Ruse so sure that HP and I (since we are tied together now) are killers, when he prevented what was a teaching action, and so we reacted to that, he then revealed and attacked the two of us instead of just admitting what he did?

[Kaschan]

I'll just decide in a bit. Then... we'll see what we'll see.

[D'riss]

Hood's Path, on Jul 30 2009, 09:34 PM, said:

and ruse jumps to emur. the plot thickens. not changing my vote, ruse is scum aswell.

evils are emur, amp and ruse.

Strange, I remember it more as HP attacking Ruse...

[Hood's Path]

exactly, if ruse came on and said he guarded me that would stall things as i would be unsure what allegiance emur was. instead ruse attacked me and claimed i was scum.

Added to that is the fact that he never voted me eysterday, he began a big case on gl when emur started getting votes and barely mentioned me all day. so why guard me at all? Surely he would have guarded gl.

[D'riss]

Ruse, on Jul 30 2009, 09:32 PM, said:

Hi everyone, here for about 20-30 minutes.

This is all nonsense. HP, is Thyr the killer?

I am a guard and I guarded you last night because while I felt good about my case on GL yesterday, I do NOT TRUST you at all. Why are you still alive if you are town?

Ruses reveal.

You then attacked him.

[Thyrllan]

Path-Shaper, on Jul 31 2009, 08:36 AM, said:

There was no RI pms sent to scum, that's what the lists at the beginning were for.

Well if this is true, it apparently RI's Emur, D'riss, and Galayn Lord.

Except, was GL the last to reveal, and has the funky 'find' power thats just a find instead of wrapped up in Lore like EVERY OTHER ASPECT OF THE GAME.

Kaschan, is your heal a 'heal', or is there Lore with it? Ruse, assuming you aren't a killer, is your guard a 'guard', or is there LORE wrapped up in it?

Ok, listen to this.

Assume that Ruse thinks HP is a killer, so guards him and then attacks him when he attacks emu for not getting supplies, which he shouldn't have attacked over, but anyway...

Ampelas claiming he Vigged Sorrit night one and that he is the last general is... weird...but, since If all Han generals die, I get a vig, from what I can tell one must be alive, so that clears Ampelas since he is the only one to reveal as one.

I am pretty sure HP is inno since he sent me catapults, but I have no way of proving it to the rest of you, just like Ruse has no way of proving he is a guard...

So -
Innocent - Emur, D'riss, Me, HP, Ampelas
Else - Galayn Lord, Ruse, Kaschan.

Middle of the road, Not Here, and the SUPER-INNO, respectively.

remove vote
Vote Galayn Lord

[Kaschan]

I would add, at this point, calling someone scum is an attack.

[Hood's Path]

Ruse, on Jul 30 2009, 09:32 PM, said:

Hi everyone, here for about 20-30 minutes.

This is all nonsense. HP, is Thyr the killer?

I am a guard and I guarded you last night because while I felt good about my case on GL yesterday, I do NOT TRUST you at all. Why are you still alive if you are town?

i am still alive as kaschan healed me supposedly.

Ruse, on Jul 30 2009, 09:45 PM, said:

GL, I didn't believe HP at all. I had him down as a possible symp for his loud mouth, but then I wasn't so sure he was a symp. I didn't guard you because I actually thought you were going to get lynched.

He's done a lot of fucking up this game, no real reason to believe he's town TBH. He's walked a very fine line with PMs (catapults?) and claimed a pretty interesting role to stave off his possible day 1 lynch.

I'd rather just lynch HP (or Thyrllan really, since there was still a kill last night) and if they are town, guard Emurlahn, TBH. Fact remains, HP and Thyr are still alive after some strange reveals. It means that either Emur isn't a scum and the scum are happy letting HP and Thyr muck things up, or that HP and Thyr are scum.

Ruse, on Jul 30 2009, 10:01 PM, said:

Kaschan, I revealed because I saw HP claiming to give a power to Emur who denied it, and people think it's D-Day.

GL, I am clearly a genius and expected everyone to follow my amazing case.

Ampelas, I'd prefer Thyrllan. Killers could be "paired" or whatnot, but at minimum HP is not the 'main killer' on his team for sure.

reading over it, ruse doesnt actually stick up that much for emur.

Ampelas, on Jul 31 2009, 12:33 AM, said:

We have all named roles revealed.

Dong Zhuo - HP (claim) - Quartermaster
Lu Zhi - Me (claim) - Vig, used
He Jin - Kaschan (claim) - Healer
Liu Yan - D'riss (claim) - RI
Feng Xu - Thyrllan (claim) - Conditional Vig if all generals are dead
Kong Rong - Emurlahn (claim) - RI
Cao Cao - Galayn Lord (claim) - RI then Finder
????? - Ruse (claim) - Guard

Huangfu Song - Omtose (CF) - Vig (presumably)
Zhu Jun - Karatallid (CF) - Vig (presumably)
Sun Jian - Serc (CF) - ?????
Yuan Shao - Sorrit (CF) - ?????

Zhang Jiao - ?????
Zhang Bao - ?????
Zhang Liang - ?????

Now, you see, based on my knowledge of the books Ruse is most likely Liu Bei because Liu Bei is essentially the book's protagonist. This also sets up the 3 kingdoms bit quite nicely (Sun Jian, Cao Cao, Liu Bei form the 3 kingdoms later in the book) and I highly doubt D'rek would omit him. Anyone inno would/should reveal their correct role name, so there's no reason that Ruse should not be Liu Bei unless Emu, Thyr, or D'riss are lying and are really Liu Bei. To reinforce this, Liu Bei controls an army of his own and actually (according to Wikipedia) saves Kong Rong at one point--that is, guarding against the attack coming in. A bit of a stretch, though.

So we have the 5 generals (me, HP, Kaschan, Omtose, Karatallid) along with several of the book's major powers (Sorrit / Yuan Shao, Serc / Sun Jian, GL / Cao Cao, and presumably Ruse / Liu Bei) which gives us 9 inno and 3 scum. These remaining 3, based on the reveals, are Thyrllan, D'riss, and Emurlahn.

Now, my memory is a little fuzzy on who was voting for who, particularly since Thyrllan was (I think) part of the push to lynch Emurlahn tonight.

Now that I think about it, though the interaction between HP and Thyr regarding the teaching thing was too chaotic to be orchestrated. However, because HP let Thyr know that he was supposed to have learned something beforehand, he could twist it to make it seem like a misunderstanding.

Ruse, on Jul 31 2009, 01:11 AM, said:

Woo, we finished up early. I'm waiting on a ride at the moment so can post for a few. I will be able to hop on a little later at home if I get a few moments.

That was QUITE a display over the last bit. I am, indeed, Liu Bei, warlord and general. I am simply a guard in this game. I blocked D'riss night 1 for whoever asked.

Ruse, on Jul 31 2009, 01:20 AM, said:

Kaschan, I think Thyr and HP are scum through and through, with HP as a symp or non-killer (I blocked him last night). I put you at VPI with your monster reveal. If I take Ampelas to be true (seems very likely, the original scene has his character name in it), that means GL/Emur/Driss is the last one.

I wanted to participate as much as I could yesterday but I'm just really really busy. I don't like using RL meta as an excuse, but I only had a bit to log on, make a case, and then go.

i do find it odd that you posted all the names though amp and ruse picks the one you suggest

[Kaschan]

Done ghetto re-reading, y'all are just confusing me more.

[Thyrllan]

But wait...

If Ampelas isn't lying about his vig on night one... that means he either hit the same person as the killers, or, more likely, his vig on sorrit and the killers hit HP, who was healed by Kaschan...

Well fuck me could it be Galayn Lord, Ruse, and a symp who is already dead.

HP - what did Path-Shaper say when you asked about symps? Did he say 'there are no symps', or did he say 'read the scene'?

edit - I wrote HP again instead of Path-Shaper, so I fixed it.

This post has been edited by Thyrllan: 31 July 2009 - 01:54 PM

[D'riss]

Path-Shaper, on Jul 27 2009, 01:59 PM, said:

He Jin petitioned the emperor to quickly issue an edict, ordering defensive preparations in every region, so that a campaign could be launched against the bandit rebels. In addition, he dispatched Lu Zhi, Huangfu Song and Zhu Jun --- all three of them being commanders of a their own team of palace guards --- to launch campaigns against the bandit rebels from three different directions.

--Luo Guanzhong, Romance of the Three Kingdoms

Kaschan claimed He Jin.

[Hood's Path]

D'riss, on Jul 31 2009, 02:45 PM, said:

Ruse, on Jul 30 2009, 09:32 PM, said:

Hi everyone, here for about 20-30 minutes.

This is all nonsense. HP, is Thyr the killer?

I am a guard and I guarded you last night because while I felt good about my case on GL yesterday, I do NOT TRUST you at all. Why are you still alive if you are town?

Ruses reveal.

You then attacked him.

actually i just reread it and i didnt attack ruse, thyr called him a lot of names i just aske dhim why he guarded me and how that proved i was scum. thought you didnt like strawmanning.

[D'riss]

Hood's Path, on Jul 31 2009, 02:53 PM, said:

Ruse, on Jul 30 2009, 09:32 PM, said:

Hi everyone, here for about 20-30 minutes.

This is all nonsense. HP, is Thyr the killer?

I am a guard and I guarded you last night because while I felt good about my case on GL yesterday, I do NOT TRUST you at all. Why are you still alive if you are town?

i am still alive as kaschan healed me supposedly.

Ruse, on Jul 30 2009, 09:45 PM, said:

GL, I didn't believe HP at all. I had him down as a possible symp for his loud mouth, but then I wasn't so sure he was a symp. I didn't guard you because I actually thought you were going to get lynched.

He's done a lot of fucking up this game, no real reason to believe he's town TBH. He's walked a very fine line with PMs (catapults?) and claimed a pretty interesting role to stave off his possible day 1 lynch.

I'd rather just lynch HP (or Thyrllan really, since there was still a kill last night) and if they are town, guard Emurlahn, TBH. Fact remains, HP and Thyr are still alive after some strange reveals. It means that either Emur isn't a scum and the scum are happy letting HP and Thyr muck things up, or that HP and Thyr are scum.

Ruse, on Jul 30 2009, 10:01 PM, said:

Kaschan, I revealed because I saw HP claiming to give a power to Emur who denied it, and people think it's D-Day.

GL, I am clearly a genius and expected everyone to follow my amazing case.

Ampelas, I'd prefer Thyrllan. Killers could be "paired" or whatnot, but at minimum HP is not the 'main killer' on his team for sure.

reading over it, ruse doesnt actually stick up that much for emur.

Ampelas, on Jul 31 2009, 12:33 AM, said:

We have all named roles revealed.

Dong Zhuo - HP (claim) - Quartermaster
Lu Zhi - Me (claim) - Vig, used
He Jin - Kaschan (claim) - Healer
Liu Yan - D'riss (claim) - RI
Feng Xu - Thyrllan (claim) - Conditional Vig if all generals are dead
Kong Rong - Emurlahn (claim) - RI
Cao Cao - Galayn Lord (claim) - RI then Finder
????? - Ruse (claim) - Guard

Huangfu Song - Omtose (CF) - Vig (presumably)
Zhu Jun - Karatallid (CF) - Vig (presumably)
Sun Jian - Serc (CF) - ?????
Yuan Shao - Sorrit (CF) - ?????

Zhang Jiao - ?????
Zhang Bao - ?????
Zhang Liang - ?????

Now, you see, based on my knowledge of the books Ruse is most likely Liu Bei because Liu Bei is essentially the book's protagonist. This also sets up the 3 kingdoms bit quite nicely (Sun Jian, Cao Cao, Liu Bei form the 3 kingdoms later in the book) and I highly doubt D'rek would omit him. Anyone inno would/should reveal their correct role name, so there's no reason that Ruse should not be Liu Bei unless Emu, Thyr, or D'riss are lying and are really Liu Bei. To reinforce this, Liu Bei controls an army of his own and actually (according to Wikipedia) saves Kong Rong at one point--that is, guarding against the attack coming in. A bit of a stretch, though.

So we have the 5 generals (me, HP, Kaschan, Omtose, Karatallid) along with several of the book's major powers (Sorrit / Yuan Shao, Serc / Sun Jian, GL / Cao Cao, and presumably Ruse / Liu Bei) which gives us 9 inno and 3 scum. These remaining 3, based on the reveals, are Thyrllan, D'riss, and Emurlahn.

Now, my memory is a little fuzzy on who was voting for who, particularly since Thyrllan was (I think) part of the push to lynch Emurlahn tonight.

Now that I think about it, though the interaction between HP and Thyr regarding the teaching thing was too chaotic to be orchestrated. However, because HP let Thyr know that he was supposed to have learned something beforehand, he could twist it to make it seem like a misunderstanding.

Ruse, on Jul 31 2009, 01:11 AM, said:

Woo, we finished up early. I'm waiting on a ride at the moment so can post for a few. I will be able to hop on a little later at home if I get a few moments.

That was QUITE a display over the last bit. I am, indeed, Liu Bei, warlord and general. I am simply a guard in this game. I blocked D'riss night 1 for whoever asked.

Ruse, on Jul 31 2009, 01:20 AM, said:

Kaschan, I think Thyr and HP are scum through and through, with HP as a symp or non-killer (I blocked him last night). I put you at VPI with your monster reveal. If I take Ampelas to be true (seems very likely, the original scene has his character name in it), that means GL/Emur/Driss is the last one.

I wanted to participate as much as I could yesterday but I'm just really really busy. I don't like using RL meta as an excuse, but I only had a bit to log on, make a case, and then go.

i do find it odd that you posted all the names though amp and ruse picks the one you suggest

Meh, I thought he was Liu Bei aswell.

Though witheld mentioning the name until Amp felt the need to.

[Hood's Path]

Thyrllan, on Jul 31 2009, 02:53 PM, said:

But wait...

If Ampelas isn't lying about his vig on night one... that means he either hit the same person as the killers, or, more likely, his vig on sorrit and the killers hit HP, who was healed by Kaschan...

Well fuck me could it be Galayn Lord, Ruse, and a symp who is already dead.

HP - what did Path-Shaper say when you asked about symps? Did he say 'there are no symps', or did he say 'read the scene'?

edit - I wrote HP again instead of Path-Shaper, so I fixed it.

he said something along the lines of what symps, you should read the opening scene.

[D'riss]

Hood's Path, on Jul 31 2009, 02:54 PM, said:

D'riss, on Jul 31 2009, 02:45 PM, said:

Ruse, on Jul 30 2009, 09:32 PM, said:

Hi everyone, here for about 20-30 minutes.

This is all nonsense. HP, is Thyr the killer?

I am a guard and I guarded you last night because while I felt good about my case on GL yesterday, I do NOT TRUST you at all. Why are you still alive if you are town?

Ruses reveal.

You then attacked him.

actually i just reread it and i didnt attack ruse, thyr called him a lot of names i just aske dhim why he guarded me and how that proved i was scum. thought you didnt like strawmanning.

I quoted where you said Him, Amp and Emur were the scum. Your first post after he revealed.

Can't strawman with quotes.

[Hood's Path]

this was the pm i had sent to pathshaper

Quote

thats a very powerful role, i assume i am not able to give myself a healing ability.

confirm sorritt for the power of healer tonight.

I assume i cannot supply the symp with a power? otherwise i may change my mind.