[Fener]

To clarify, nobody else is revealing a vig. This means you are claiming that either some vigs are intentionally not revealing, which is dumb at this point in the game IMO, OR that Atrahl now has 3 kills and killed all 3 people last night.

[Eloth]

I cannot absorb abilities, so the other Ambidexter role isn't the same as mine.
Moreso, I can use two night actions in one night; however, it's safe to assume one thing.
My power probably cannot be inherited by scum; I am beginning to think I got it by being the hammer on Kessobahn.
Also, if any scum already has two abilities, he's probably got my ability anyway

[Fener]

That's what I needed to read, Eloth. Atrahal was the hammer two days in a row. It's not hard to imagine he picked up a power in that way.

Korbas is the scum guys.

Vote Korbas

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 4. 33 hours and 38 minutes remaining

6 Players still alive: Anomandaris, Anthras, Atrahal, Eloth, Fener, Korbas

4 votes to lynch, 3 votes to go to night

1 vote for Korbas: ( Fener )

Players not voted: Anomandaris, Anthras, Atrahal, Eloth, Korbas

[Atrahal]

Korbas, on Jul 21 2009, 06:51 AM, said:

Fener, on Jul 20 2009, 10:10 PM, said:

Anthras, can you clarify? If you are attacked, you retalliate by killing your attackers while also dying in the process? This could explain what happened last night. And it only works for attacks?

Korbas, it's too late in this game to just hope people get it right, IMO. Karat helped us get the right lynch yesterday. We don't have much other than quote blocks and reveals to figure out who is the scum.

Atrahal are you saying that you can STEAL abilities in addition to use 2 abilities?

Hmm, I was about to write a post how I didn't agree with all this revealing business, but it looks like whatever healers/guards/vigs we might have were smart enough to claim something else, and Fener's dance brought forth Atrahal's complete bullshit reveal, so I'm happy now.

I will try to explain myself further in a later post, but Atrahal really fumbled the ball on that one. He interpreted Eloth's reveal completely incorrectly, claimed it as his own, and now he's fumbling to recover, which might have had a chance of working if he hadn't claimed the same role name as Eloth.

I'll wait for Eloth to come back to make sure it's not mistaken semantics, but I am now 99% sure that Atrahal is scum.

Look, the ability works the exact same as the RIs basic ability, only you can do it twice. RIs can "take" a night action. I deduced that that meant they could obtain an ability from someone, somehow. ambidexters can "take" 2 night actions, which I assumed thus meant they could obtain 2 NAs from someone (somehow) in a single night. I would agree that they can use 2 NAs in a single night if they have seperate actions (but not 2 of the same action if you only obtained it once), but I would assume this is the same for everybody. what is the point in the killers absorbing powers from their victims if they have to pick? no killer is going to choose to guard someone if it means they cant kill someone that night, so I believe that anyone can use each ability theyve taken once each night, otherwise the system would be utterly pointless for anybody who started with a NA, except for BPs.

Anyway, thats what I believed. now PS has gone and "clarified" and apparently "take" means "perform", not what I thought. I thought "take" was the obtaining of abilities distinct from performing the actions. after all, what on earth would it mean that RIs can "perform a single action each night" as in their PM, which they obviously cant (for starters) cause they dont have any NAs! hence my confusion. Im sure if I had gotten a second ability I probably wouldve asked about this, but since I only have the one I didnt have any confusion to prompt me asking about it.

[Eloth]

Fener, on Jul 20 2009, 03:02 PM, said:

That's what I needed to read, Eloth. Atrahal was the hammer two days in a row. It's not hard to imagine he picked up a power in that way.

Korbas is the scum guys.

Vote Korbas

In agreement, for once.
If he isn't, Anomandaris is, I suspect. Or Atrahal, claiming a night action which will keep him from being vigged tonight.
Vote Korbas
If I die in the night after we lynch Korbas,, I'd like you to strongly consider voting Atrahal

[Fener]

^^^^ Agreed with Eloth and in concordance if I die ^^^^

[Korbas]

So, I read careful what Atrahal had to say in these posts and can come to no other conclusion than he totally changed his story in the middle of it:

Atrahal, on Jul 20 2009, 11:16 PM, said:

Korbas, on Jul 21 2009, 06:10 AM, said:

Atrahal, on Jul 20 2009, 10:04 PM, said:

well looks like everyone is on

Korbas, on Jul 21 2009, 06:00 AM, said:

Back for a bit.

Fener, can you explain again why we shouldn't just let whatever finders or healers are still out there do their job in peace? How does making them reveal do us any good?

Who cares who killed whom last night? There's obviously still scum around, so let's find them. All you've done so far is get a double-action to reveal, which exactly the kind of power I'd imagine the scum are looking to acquire. "Yay, 2 night-kills! GG."

<-RI, btw

it doesnt work like that. Ambidexter can just take 2 abilities from someone else (or maybe 1 each from 2 people) in one night by whatever means such things are possible. I know because I am one and have been since the start.

Yeah, that didn't make any sense.

Eloth said he had the ability to perform two night actions, but he didn't actually have any night actions to perform. That means he is basically just a sheep waiting for a killer to kill him and become a super-killer. Exactly the kind of reveal we didn't need.

I'm not sure what you were trying to say, though. "By whatever means such things are possible?" Are you saying that you are sitting at the end-game and don't know how your power works, or are you just being intentionally vague?

No he didnt, he said he has the ability to *take* 2 night actions, as in acquire 2 night actions:

Eloth, on Jul 21 2009, 05:16 AM, said:

Reveal: I have an ability called Ambidexter.
Essentially, it allows me to take two night actions in the one night.
I do not have any night actions to actually use (Thanks for that, Tapper), but I think assuming we are dealing with a vanilla killer is flawed.

and its the same with me, obviously. Using 2 NAs would not be specific to this ability anyways, I dont think. If a killer out there acquired a guard action I would think he can use kill and guard same night even if hes not ambidextrous

Atrahal, on Jul 20 2009, 11:18 PM, said:

Fener, on Jul 21 2009, 06:10 AM, said:

Anthras, can you clarify? If you are attacked, you retalliate by killing your attackers while also dying in the process? This could explain what happened last night. And it only works for attacks?

Korbas, it's too late in this game to just hope people get it right, IMO. Karat helped us get the right lynch yesterday. We don't have much other than quote blocks and reveals to figure out who is the scum.

Atrahal are you saying that you can STEAL abilities in addition to use 2 abilities?

I see no reason not to say. Im not sure what you mean by STEAL. ambidexter is just like RI but however RI "takes" abilities, ambi can do it twice in one night.

Atrahal, on Jul 20 2009, 11:44 PM, said:

Fener, on Jul 21 2009, 06:42 AM, said:

It's interesting, Atrahl.

How did everyone get their powers? What did you START with and what did you gain and when did you gain it?

Ive said already but Ill reiterate all at once - I started Ambidexter and nothing happened until the night Alkend died and I got 3 vigs from him. used 1 vig last night on Gam.

Even within these two posts, he seems to go from saying he has "some" night actions to only having one (the vig):

Atrahal, on Jul 20 2009, 11:30 PM, said:

Anthras, on Jul 21 2009, 06:27 AM, said:

Atrahal, on Jul 20 2009, 10:24 PM, said:

Anthras, on Jul 21 2009, 06:19 AM, said:

Wait your saying that you can also take two night actions. But that right now you don't have any. Did you ever have some?

oh I do have some, oh I most definitely do

Do you mind if I ask who you got them from? Also when you steal do you happen to lop off someones head in the process?

I got 3 vigs (cant be used same night of course) from alkend, and I really dont know how I got them. after he died PS came on and told me I got them from him...

I did not lop his head off, as I did not have any abilities at that point, but I could get some from people by lopping off heads now. Gam came back empty, so he was RI and hadnt gotten any abilities.

Atrahal

His reveal is total BS, unless I believe that he didn't understand his role until just now, which I don't believe.

[Eloth]

Atrahal, on Jul 20 2009, 03:05 PM, said:

Korbas, on Jul 21 2009, 06:51 AM, said:

Fener, on Jul 20 2009, 10:10 PM, said:

Anthras, can you clarify? If you are attacked, you retalliate by killing your attackers while also dying in the process? This could explain what happened last night. And it only works for attacks?

Korbas, it's too late in this game to just hope people get it right, IMO. Karat helped us get the right lynch yesterday. We don't have much other than quote blocks and reveals to figure out who is the scum.

Atrahal are you saying that you can STEAL abilities in addition to use 2 abilities?

Hmm, I was about to write a post how I didn't agree with all this revealing business, but it looks like whatever healers/guards/vigs we might have were smart enough to claim something else, and Fener's dance brought forth Atrahal's complete bullshit reveal, so I'm happy now.

I will try to explain myself further in a later post, but Atrahal really fumbled the ball on that one. He interpreted Eloth's reveal completely incorrectly, claimed it as his own, and now he's fumbling to recover, which might have had a chance of working if he hadn't claimed the same role name as Eloth.

I'll wait for Eloth to come back to make sure it's not mistaken semantics, but I am now 99% sure that Atrahal is scum.

Look, the ability works the exact same as the RIs basic ability, only you can do it twice. RIs can "take" a night action. I deduced that that meant they could obtain an ability from someone, somehow. ambidexters can "take" 2 night actions, which I assumed thus meant they could obtain 2 NAs from someone (somehow) in a single night. I would agree that they can use 2 NAs in a single night if they have seperate actions (but not 2 of the same action if you only obtained it once), but I would assume this is the same for everybody. what is the point in the killers absorbing powers from their victims if they have to pick? no killer is going to choose to guard someone if it means they cant kill someone that night, so I believe that anyone can use each ability theyve taken once each night, otherwise the system would be utterly pointless for anybody who started with a NA, except for BPs.

Anyway, thats what I believed. now PS has gone and "clarified" and apparently "take" means "perform", not what I thought. I thought "take" was the obtaining of abilities distinct from performing the actions. after all, what on earth would it mean that RIs can "perform a single action each night" as in their PM, which they obviously cant (for starters) cause they dont have any NAs! hence my confusion. Im sure if I had gotten a second ability I probably wouldve asked about this, but since I only have the one I didnt have any confusion to prompt me asking about it.

VPI ^^^

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 4. 33 hours and 34 minutes remaining

6 Players still alive: Anomandaris, Anthras, Atrahal, Eloth, Fener, Korbas

4 votes to lynch, 3 votes to go to night

2 votes for Korbas: ( Fener, Eloth )

Players not voted: Anomandaris, Anthras, Atrahal, Korbas

[Atrahal]

Eloth, on Jul 21 2009, 07:01 AM, said:

I cannot absorb abilities

wait what? do you *know* this for sure for sure or are you just saying that cause you havent been able to get any so far? (course I didnt get any from hammering twice, but I did somehow got vigs mysteriously from Alkend...). I find it very hard to believe thered be 2 roles with the same name that are different

[Fener]

Eloth, why is it now that we're agreeing? lol, took all damn game to do this.

Korbas, good try man, but you've been had.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 4. 33 hours and 33 minutes remaining

6 Players still alive: Anomandaris, Anthras, Atrahal, Eloth, Fener, Korbas

4 votes to lynch, 3 votes to go to night

1 vote for Atrahal: ( Korbas )
2 votes for Korbas: ( Fener, Eloth )

Players not voted: Anomandaris, Anthras, Atrahal

[Eloth]

Atrahal, on Jul 20 2009, 03:08 PM, said:

Eloth, on Jul 21 2009, 07:01 AM, said:

I cannot absorb abilities

wait what? do you *know* this for sure for sure or are you just saying that cause you havent been able to get any so far? (course I didnt get any from hammering twice, but I did somehow got vigs mysteriously from Alkend...). I find it very hard to believe thered be 2 roles with the same name that are different

take means perform, as you said. I get my abilities... Somehow. I thought it was hammering scum, but that's just my best guess.

[Fener]

Atrahal, please help end the game. We believe you.

[Atrahal]

Hey Eloth, you should remove vote and be the hammer. Youre the most likely VPI in most of our minds and if hammering can get abilities Id rather it be you than a possible scum, especially if Korbas (or whoever we lynch) turned out somehow to be inno-BP and scum got it! so, Eloth hammer, all agree?

oh and Korbas - I have 3 vigs, hence that is more then one and therefore plural.

[Fener]

No way you have that huge of a detailed response about your powers, your thoughts, etc unless it's true or you are a master con artist.

[Korbas]

Eloth, on Jul 21 2009, 12:01 AM, said:

I cannot absorb abilities, so the other Ambidexter role isn't the same as mine.
Moreso, I can use two night actions in one night; however, it's safe to assume one thing.
My power probably cannot be inherited by scum; I am beginning to think I got it by being the hammer on Kessobahn.
Also, if any scum already has two abilities, he's probably got my ability anyway

Plus this.

Atrahal claims the same name as Eloth, but has different abilities? What?

[Eloth]

Fener, on Jul 20 2009, 03:09 PM, said:

Eloth, why is it now that we're agreeing? lol, took all damn game to do this.

Korbas, good try man, but you've been had.

I'm always wary when I agree with someone, just to warn you

[Anthras]

Eloth, on Jul 20 2009, 11:06 PM, said:

Fener, on Jul 20 2009, 03:02 PM, said:

That's what I needed to read, Eloth. Atrahal was the hammer two days in a row. It's not hard to imagine he picked up a power in that way.

Korbas is the scum guys.

Vote Korbas

In agreement, for once.
If he isn't, Anomandaris is, I suspect. Or Atrahal, claiming a night action which will keep him from being vigged tonight.
Vote Korbas
If I die in the night after we lynch Korbas,, I'd like you to strongly consider voting Atrahal

I would like to point out for the 4th time that It isn't a night action. That implies that I send something in to PS every night. I don't do shit. I just sit here like a lump on a log and wait for someone to try to kill me.