[Fener]

Anomandaris, on Jul 20 2009, 03:16 PM, said:

Fener, why are you asking Atrahal that question? How can the answer help anyone other than scum?

Because I'm not sure he's telling the truth.

But the recent clear-up seems to remove that suspicion.

[Anthras]

Atrahal, on Jul 20 2009, 10:04 PM, said:

well looks like everyone is on

Korbas, on Jul 21 2009, 06:00 AM, said:

Back for a bit.

Fener, can you explain again why we shouldn't just let whatever finders or healers are still out there do their job in peace? How does making them reveal do us any good?

Who cares who killed whom last night? There's obviously still scum around, so let's find them. All you've done so far is get a double-action to reveal, which exactly the kind of power I'd imagine the scum are looking to acquire. "Yay, 2 night-kills! GG."

<-RI, btw

it doesnt work like that. Ambidexter can just take 2 abilities from someone else (or maybe 1 each from 2 people) in one night by whatever means such things are possible. I know because I am one and have been since the start.

How does yours work. Can you take 2 abilities from one person, or can you take one from two people?

[Fener]

OK so I think everyone has said something.

RI - Fener, Anomandaris, Korbas
Ambi - Eloth, Atrahal
Retal - Anthras

I think I got those right based on what people have said.

[Anthras]

What are you thinking Fener?

[Atrahal]

Anthras, on Jul 21 2009, 06:19 AM, said:

Atrahal, on Jul 20 2009, 10:16 PM, said:

Korbas, on Jul 21 2009, 06:10 AM, said:

Atrahal, on Jul 20 2009, 10:04 PM, said:

well looks like everyone is on

Korbas, on Jul 21 2009, 06:00 AM, said:

Back for a bit.

Fener, can you explain again why we shouldn't just let whatever finders or healers are still out there do their job in peace? How does making them reveal do us any good?

Who cares who killed whom last night? There's obviously still scum around, so let's find them. All you've done so far is get a double-action to reveal, which exactly the kind of power I'd imagine the scum are looking to acquire. "Yay, 2 night-kills! GG."

<-RI, btw

it doesnt work like that. Ambidexter can just take 2 abilities from someone else (or maybe 1 each from 2 people) in one night by whatever means such things are possible. I know because I am one and have been since the start.

Yeah, that didn't make any sense.

Eloth said he had the ability to perform two night actions, but he didn't actually have any night actions to perform. That means he is basically just a sheep waiting for a killer to kill him and become a super-killer. Exactly the kind of reveal we didn't need.

I'm not sure what you were trying to say, though. "By whatever means such things are possible?" Are you saying that you are sitting at the end-game and don't know how your power works, or are you just being intentionally vague?

No he didnt, he said he has the ability to *take* 2 night actions, as in acquire 2 night actions:

Eloth, on Jul 21 2009, 05:16 AM, said:

Reveal: I have an ability called Ambidexter.
Essentially, it allows me to take two night actions in the one night.
I do not have any night actions to actually use (Thanks for that, Tapper), but I think assuming we are dealing with a vanilla killer is flawed.

and its the same with me, obviously. Using 2 NAs would not be specific to this ability anyways, I dont think. If a killer out there acquired a guard action I would think he can use kill and guard same night even if hes not ambidextrous

Wait your saying that you can also take two night actions. But that right now you don't have any. Did you ever have some?

oh I do have some, oh I most definitely do

[Anthras]

Fener, on Jul 20 2009, 10:23 PM, said:

OK so I think everyone has said something.

RI - Fener, Anomandaris, Korbas
Ambi - Eloth, Atrahal
Retal - Anthras

I think I got those right based on what people have said.

So If we assume that the people who have revealed (sorry Eloth for earlier) a power are Real Innocents then that would put the killers as either Fener, Anomandaris, or Korbas.

[Anthras]

Atrahal, on Jul 20 2009, 10:24 PM, said:

Anthras, on Jul 21 2009, 06:19 AM, said:

Atrahal, on Jul 20 2009, 10:16 PM, said:

Korbas, on Jul 21 2009, 06:10 AM, said:

Atrahal, on Jul 20 2009, 10:04 PM, said:

well looks like everyone is on

Korbas, on Jul 21 2009, 06:00 AM, said:

Back for a bit.

Fener, can you explain again why we shouldn't just let whatever finders or healers are still out there do their job in peace? How does making them reveal do us any good?

Who cares who killed whom last night? There's obviously still scum around, so let's find them. All you've done so far is get a double-action to reveal, which exactly the kind of power I'd imagine the scum are looking to acquire. "Yay, 2 night-kills! GG."

<-RI, btw

it doesnt work like that. Ambidexter can just take 2 abilities from someone else (or maybe 1 each from 2 people) in one night by whatever means such things are possible. I know because I am one and have been since the start.

Yeah, that didn't make any sense.

Eloth said he had the ability to perform two night actions, but he didn't actually have any night actions to perform. That means he is basically just a sheep waiting for a killer to kill him and become a super-killer. Exactly the kind of reveal we didn't need.

I'm not sure what you were trying to say, though. "By whatever means such things are possible?" Are you saying that you are sitting at the end-game and don't know how your power works, or are you just being intentionally vague?

No he didnt, he said he has the ability to *take* 2 night actions, as in acquire 2 night actions:

Eloth, on Jul 21 2009, 05:16 AM, said:

Reveal: I have an ability called Ambidexter.
Essentially, it allows me to take two night actions in the one night.
I do not have any night actions to actually use (Thanks for that, Tapper), but I think assuming we are dealing with a vanilla killer is flawed.

and its the same with me, obviously. Using 2 NAs would not be specific to this ability anyways, I dont think. If a killer out there acquired a guard action I would think he can use kill and guard same night even if hes not ambidextrous

Wait your saying that you can also take two night actions. But that right now you don't have any. Did you ever have some?

oh I do have some, oh I most definitely do

Do you mind if I ask who you got them from? Also when you steal do you happen to lop off someones head in the process?

[Atrahal]

Anthras, on Jul 21 2009, 06:25 AM, said:

Fener, on Jul 20 2009, 10:23 PM, said:

OK so I think everyone has said something.

RI - Fener, Anomandaris, Korbas
Ambi - Eloth, Atrahal
Retal - Anthras

I think I got those right based on what people have said.

So If we assume that the people who have revealed (sorry Eloth for earlier) a power are Real Innocents then that would put the killers as either Fener, Anomandaris, or Korbas.

yes

if indeed you are told whenever your ability is used and it wasnt used last night, then there are 3 kills we need to account for. I vigged Gam. assume there is at least 1 scum killer. anyone wanna fess up to a vig on Sil or Karat?

[Fener]

I'm thinking exactly what you just said Anthras.

Eloth is basically PI at this point because Atrahal's reveal backs him up. Atrahl I'm not sure about, tho. He could be scum that acquired that power.

Your power looks a lot like the type of power scum MAY claim because you won't get lynched to keep you around.

RI is always safe for scum to claim.

[Atrahal]

Anthras, on Jul 21 2009, 06:27 AM, said:

Atrahal, on Jul 20 2009, 10:24 PM, said:

Anthras, on Jul 21 2009, 06:19 AM, said:

Atrahal, on Jul 20 2009, 10:16 PM, said:

Korbas, on Jul 21 2009, 06:10 AM, said:

Atrahal, on Jul 20 2009, 10:04 PM, said:

well looks like everyone is on

Korbas, on Jul 21 2009, 06:00 AM, said:

Back for a bit.

Fener, can you explain again why we shouldn't just let whatever finders or healers are still out there do their job in peace? How does making them reveal do us any good?

Who cares who killed whom last night? There's obviously still scum around, so let's find them. All you've done so far is get a double-action to reveal, which exactly the kind of power I'd imagine the scum are looking to acquire. "Yay, 2 night-kills! GG."

<-RI, btw

it doesnt work like that. Ambidexter can just take 2 abilities from someone else (or maybe 1 each from 2 people) in one night by whatever means such things are possible. I know because I am one and have been since the start.

Yeah, that didn't make any sense.

Eloth said he had the ability to perform two night actions, but he didn't actually have any night actions to perform. That means he is basically just a sheep waiting for a killer to kill him and become a super-killer. Exactly the kind of reveal we didn't need.

I'm not sure what you were trying to say, though. "By whatever means such things are possible?" Are you saying that you are sitting at the end-game and don't know how your power works, or are you just being intentionally vague?

No he didnt, he said he has the ability to *take* 2 night actions, as in acquire 2 night actions:

Eloth, on Jul 21 2009, 05:16 AM, said:

Reveal: I have an ability called Ambidexter.
Essentially, it allows me to take two night actions in the one night.
I do not have any night actions to actually use (Thanks for that, Tapper), but I think assuming we are dealing with a vanilla killer is flawed.

and its the same with me, obviously. Using 2 NAs would not be specific to this ability anyways, I dont think. If a killer out there acquired a guard action I would think he can use kill and guard same night even if hes not ambidextrous

Wait your saying that you can also take two night actions. But that right now you don't have any. Did you ever have some?

oh I do have some, oh I most definitely do

Do you mind if I ask who you got them from? Also when you steal do you happen to lop off someones head in the process?

I got 3 vigs (cant be used same night of course) from alkend, and I really dont know how I got them. after he died PS came on and told me I got them from him...

I did not lop his head off, as I did not have any abilities at that point, but I could get some from people by lopping off heads now. Gam came back empty, so he was RI and hadnt gotten any abilities.

[Fener]

What ability did you start with Atrahal? When did you gain the others? Do you have an vigs left?

[Fener]

You're saying PS told you that you got the powers FROM Alkend? Interesting...

[Atrahal]

Fener, on Jul 21 2009, 06:29 AM, said:

I'm thinking exactly what you just said Anthras.

Eloth is basically PI at this point because Atrahal's reveal backs him up. Atrahl I'm not sure about, tho. He could be scum that acquired that power.

Your power looks a lot like the type of power scum MAY claim because you won't get lynched to keep you around.

RI is always safe for scum to claim.

while anything is possible, if I were scum I wouldve left Eloth and his strange reveal floating in the wind and just claimed RI myself. Then there would be plenty of suspicion on Eloth and I would just be among the crowd. I knew before I did it that backing up Eloth would be risky, but it narrows down our pool of suspects by at least 1 as a scum could not have faked that reveal out of the blue, though could've faked my backing up.

[Path-Shaper]

i'm online for 30 minutes more.

[Atrahal]

Fener, on Jul 21 2009, 06:31 AM, said:

You're saying PS told you that you got the powers FROM Alkend? Interesting...

yup. granted I cant be sure that I got them via "power-absorption" as they say. I cant really figure out how I would end up with them in that case unless Alkend had a power that let him pass his powers onto who he chose (and presumably he got that power by vigging someone). being after him in the lynch train just doesnt seem to be enough in my opinion.

[Anthras]

Fener, on Jul 20 2009, 10:29 PM, said:

I'm thinking exactly what you just said Anthras.

Eloth is basically PI at this point because Atrahal's reveal backs him up. Atrahl I'm not sure about, tho. He could be scum that acquired that power.

Your power looks a lot like the type of power scum MAY claim because you won't get lynched to keep you around.

RI is always safe for scum to claim.

My power is the reason why I have kept my mouth shut the entire game. I knew that if I could make it to the nitty gritty then I could win the game. I think that we are at that time.

@atrahal nice to see that someone else thought that Gamelon might have been scum. I sent a PM to PS stating that effect earlier. So I can't see any blame on Vigging him.

[Fener]

Yes being the last person to reveal does actually give you some extra cred. But can you answer my other questions?

edit: nm you did

This post has been edited by Fener: 20 July 2009 - 10:35 PM

[Fener]

I think the last scum is Korbas FYI.

edit: And I think he has the ambi power and took out Sil last night with Karat.

This post has been edited by Fener: 20 July 2009 - 10:36 PM

[Atrahal]

Anthras, on Jul 21 2009, 06:34 AM, said:

@atrahal nice to see that someone else thought that Gamelon might have been scum. I sent a PM to PS stating that effect earlier. So I can't see any blame on Vigging him.

good to hear! Im worried about both Sil and Karat dying, though. could be paranoia but mentally im thinking "2 killers oh noes!"

[Anthras]

Atrahal, on Jul 20 2009, 10:32 PM, said:

Fener, on Jul 21 2009, 06:29 AM, said:

I'm thinking exactly what you just said Anthras.

Eloth is basically PI at this point because Atrahal's reveal backs him up. Atrahl I'm not sure about, tho. He could be scum that acquired that power.

Your power looks a lot like the type of power scum MAY claim because you won't get lynched to keep you around.

RI is always safe for scum to claim.

while anything is possible, if I were scum I wouldve left Eloth and his strange reveal floating in the wind and just claimed RI myself. Then there would be plenty of suspicion on Eloth and I would just be among the crowd. I knew before I did it that backing up Eloth would be risky, but it narrows down our pool of suspects by at least 1 as a scum could not have faked that reveal out of the blue, though could've faked my backing up.

Don't use that argument as Eloth has stepped away and hasn't been able to back up all of your reveal. The fact that you did reveal after him and have expanded on it doesn't mean that you could be scum looking to make a move and make it to the last day or PI in my mind. Strangely enough though your reveal does PI Eloth for me. Which is a shame as I thought that he was probably scum.