[Fener]

^^^ Truth ^^^

edit: Well those arrows are clearly pointing up to the last post on the previous page.

edit2: And don't worry about me, Bent. I won't get butthurt and pack up my toys just because a little scumlet calls me a name.

This post has been edited by Fener: 17 July 2009 - 05:57 PM

[Atrahal]

Path-Shaper, on Jul 18 2009, 01:52 AM, said:

Thats the second time I've seen someone being called an idiot. Lets tone it down a bit. No need to be offensive and risk losing another player like you all managed to do with Malaese.

~Bent - Blames everyone for that, because I wasn't in the game and so cant be held responsible

fine. Fener, you are an incompetent player. you think you can just post a list of everyone and poitn to some random people as scum including the people who have criticized you for being a whiny dipshit because youve spent most of the game complaing about your alt and not helping in the least. well guess what? 1 person brought up that your alt was bad and they didnt even vote for you, yet you keep going on with your pity train wah wah wah. and somehow amongst all your crying you magically pulled out of a hat the names of all the scum and then declare that youve "solved the game" when youve made no effort at the slightest amount of actually showing the miraculous logic that none of us can see that lead you to select all these scum who are just soooo obvious. why dont you momentarily take your ego out from up your ass and explain to us poor puny mortals the godliness of your psychic abilities to "solve the game" for us

[Path-Shaper]

Easy please.

Let's all take a few deep breaths and don't search for euphemisms for bad language.
i understand from what i read in PMs that the state of the game and the lack of info is getting to some of you, this might make you touchy.

Please remember that we're only on day 2 in a high tmdi and that your fellow players struggle as much as you do, and get touchy too. please also remember that sometimes, irony is mistaken for saying something for real.

- Tapper, agreeing with Bent, but a bit less to the point in saying it.

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 17 July 2009 - 06:04 PM

[Fener]

Atrahal, on Jul 17 2009, 11:00 AM, said:

Path-Shaper, on Jul 18 2009, 01:52 AM, said:

Thats the second time I've seen someone being called an idiot. Lets tone it down a bit. No need to be offensive and risk losing another player like you all managed to do with Malaese.

~Bent - Blames everyone for that, because I wasn't in the game and so cant be held responsible

fine. Fener, you are an incompetent player. you think you can just post a list of everyone and poitn to some random people as scum including the people who have criticized you for being a whiny dipshit because youve spent most of the game complaing about your alt and not helping in the least. well guess what? 1 person brought up that your alt was bad and they didnt even vote for you, yet you keep going on with your pity train wah wah wah. and somehow amongst all your crying you magically pulled out of a hat the names of all the scum and then declare that youve "solved the game" when youve made no effort at the slightest amount of actually showing the miraculous logic that none of us can see that lead you to select all these scum who are just soooo obvious. why dont you momentarily take your ego out from up your ass and explain to us poor puny mortals the godliness of your psychic abilities to "solve the game" for us

Ah, now we see the typical stomp-your-feet defense. Look here, children, we have a little scumbody raging up a storm over a funny list (pro tip: Go read Deepgate for my inspiration for that post). Shoot, I haven't even voted you yet! In fact, you are still voting me

You can complain all you want, Scumtrahal, but your RAGEFEST doesn't faze me in the least.

[Atrahal]

Fener, on Jul 18 2009, 02:05 AM, said:

Ah, now we see the typical stomp-your-feet defense. Look here, children, we have a little scumbody raging up a storm over a funny list (pro tip: Go read Deepgate for my inspiration for that post). Shoot, I haven't even voted you yet! In fact, you are still voting me

You can complain all you want, Scumtrahal, but your RAGEFEST doesn't faze me in the least.

I find it really amusing everytime you do this - you randomly decide someone is scum, in this case me, and without bothering with a case you just start accusing them full trhottle without any case-makign whatsoever with the mistaken belief that if you can somehow say 'scum' a few times in every post by adding it onto other words that that will magically make it true.

[Korbas]

Fener, on Jul 17 2009, 05:53 PM, said:

^^^ Truth ^^^

edit: Well those arrows are clearly pointing up to the last post on the previous page.

Classic...

Anyway, looking over Karosis, this post strikes me as the most odd:

Karosis, on Jul 17 2009, 11:38 AM, said:

back briefly before bed.

"you know, the "last man standing thing", untill it is properly explained, doesn't really in any way preclude the fact that scum may know each other.
my vote on Karat is based off that assumption.

I am yet to be convinced that I am wrong, and we are, in fact dealing with X number of independent killers who know no one but theemselves.
in which casem i've got some serious questions about the balance of the game.

I think it is well-established, given the small number of basic tennents of the game, that "X number of independent killers who know no one but themselves" is pretty much the only logical conclusion. P-S made it very clear that all winning conditions were stated upfront, so there are no hidden "win with your partner" conditions out there.

The fact that Karosis is kicking up such a storm claiming he doesn't believe this very logical conclusion makes me think he is a killer trying a little too hard to convince other killers that he is an ignorant non-killer.

...I hope that made sense.

And, yeah, I think someone already mentioned it, but that bit at the end totally sounds like he's whining to P-S because his role is too hard.

Karosis

[Fener]

Haha, nice try. I called you scum yesterday. There is no randomness to my posting.

Fener, on Jul 16 2009, 12:00 PM, said:

Atrahal, on Jul 16 2009, 11:56 AM, said:

Fener, on Jul 17 2009, 02:46 AM, said:

Ahahaha, two people jump right on me. 10 bucks says one of them is scum (probably Atrahal).

FYI, Seriously was me saying I'm seriously voting myself not hey guys everyone go ahead and vote for me. Some classic play right there, boyos.

you do it the first day and haha silly joke. you do it the second day and it sounds like youre actually serious and a suicidal player doesnt sound very helpful to me so why not lay one down on ya? not like I actually expect 7 more votes to fall on ya

This alt is trash so it was super serial. Should be interesting to see how people field your, "Gee okay I'll vote you too," reaction. BTW I am not removing my vote until it's needed for a lynch.

Fener, on Jul 16 2009, 12:02 PM, said:

Also, nice scum slip. I already voted myself so it wouldn't be 7 more votes with yours, it would be 6.

Note Eloth jumped right off because he realizes how scummy it is to double up the vote and makes a point about inflating my ego. We both know Eloth is a goofy townie. You on the other hand kept that vote right on, claiming like it was some sort of anti-ego move or calling my bluff or something.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 2. 12 hours and 1 minute remaining

14 Players still alive: Alkend, Ampelas, Anomandaris, Anthras, Atrahal, Eloth, Fener, Galayn Lord, Gamelon, Karatallid, Karosis, Kessobahn, Korbas, Silanah

8 votes to lynch, 7 votes to go to night

1 vote for Karatallid: ( Karosis )
1 vote for Kessobahn: ( Silanah )
4 votes for Karosis: ( Anomandaris, Karatallid, Fener, Korbas )
1 vote for Fener: ( Atrahal )
1 vote for Korbas: ( Eloth )

Players not voted: Alkend, Ampelas, Anthras, Galayn Lord, Gamelon, Kessobahn

--

with just 12 hours left, i'd like to remind everyone that now would be a very good time to start submitting your provisionals.

[Fener]

Nobody cared enough about you to research you between yesterday and today so I didn't bother pushing it. The Karosis case is actually pretty good (I should know, I am voting him for whining about balance). I don't have a case on you, just my gut feeling. And your whine-fest really isn't helping you at all.

[Atrahal]

Korbas, on Jul 18 2009, 02:10 AM, said:

Anyway, looking over Karosis, this post strikes me as the most odd:

Karosis, on Jul 17 2009, 11:38 AM, said:

back briefly before bed.

"you know, the "last man standing thing", untill it is properly explained, doesn't really in any way preclude the fact that scum may know each other.
my vote on Karat is based off that assumption.

I am yet to be convinced that I am wrong, and we are, in fact dealing with X number of independent killers who know no one but theemselves.
in which casem i've got some serious questions about the balance of the game.

I think it is well-established, given the small number of basic tennents of the game, that "X number of independent killers who know no one but themselves" is pretty much the only logical conclusion. P-S made it very clear that all winning conditions were stated upfront, so there are no hidden "win with your partner" conditions out there.

The fact that Karosis is kicking up such a storm claiming he doesn't believe this very logical conclusion makes me think he is a killer trying a little too hard to convince other killers that he is an ignorant non-killer.

...I hope that made sense.

And, yeah, I think someone already mentioned it, but that bit at the end totally sounds like he's whining to P-S because his role is too hard.

Karosis

re whining bit: definitely

as for the rest, why do you (and others) think that all scum not knowing any other is the only logical conclusion? if that were so I think itd be really bland and just a lot of people with the same thing, whereas i think its more likely tapper would want it crazier then that. not that I think this is the way it is, but imagine a big group of scum, maybe 5 or 6, none of whom have killing powers but all have some stealing power. each one knows one or 2 others but not the whole group. depending on who they steal from they get powers but not always kills. so even though they know each other its a big rush to try and get that kill power and when the deaths start flying they are suddenly trying to determine who it is based on who they know who has died so they can turn on that person. eventually one is alive and if the town dies that scum wins.

not that I think thats how the game is setup, but its possible and crazy enough to fit the game rating

[Atrahal]

Fener, on Jul 18 2009, 02:14 AM, said:

Nobody cared enough about you to research you between yesterday and today so I didn't bother pushing it. The Karosis case is actually pretty good (I should know, I am voting him for whining about balance). I don't have a case on you, just my gut feeling. And your whine-fest really isn't helping you at all.

lol my whine-fest? this from the guy who feels the need to publicly cry about his alt and remind everyone how hes being so noble in voting on himself because he made a moral promise to a higher power that he would do it. spare us.

[Fener]

Atrahal, on Jul 17 2009, 11:18 AM, said:

Fener, on Jul 18 2009, 02:14 AM, said:

Nobody cared enough about you to research you between yesterday and today so I didn't bother pushing it. The Karosis case is actually pretty good (I should know, I am voting him for whining about balance). I don't have a case on you, just my gut feeling. And your whine-fest really isn't helping you at all.

lol my whine-fest? this from the guy who feels the need to publicly cry about his alt and remind everyone how hes being so noble in voting on himself because he made a moral promise to a higher power that he would do it. spare us.

I think this post makes me smile more than any other. I think I like you, but it doesn't change my opinion that you're scum.

And regarding your just-above-it post, why on earth would the bad guys know each other? They would kill each other in a heartbeat. And doesn't the FOUR kills last night, including 2 scum kills, pretty much throw your theory into the gutter?

[Alkend]

Atrahal, on Jul 17 2009, 06:16 PM, said:

Korbas, on Jul 18 2009, 02:10 AM, said:

Anyway, looking over Karosis, this post strikes me as the most odd:

Karosis, on Jul 17 2009, 11:38 AM, said:

back briefly before bed.

"you know, the "last man standing thing", untill it is properly explained, doesn't really in any way preclude the fact that scum may know each other.
my vote on Karat is based off that assumption.

I am yet to be convinced that I am wrong, and we are, in fact dealing with X number of independent killers who know no one but theemselves.
in which casem i've got some serious questions about the balance of the game.

I think it is well-established, given the small number of basic tennents of the game, that "X number of independent killers who know no one but themselves" is pretty much the only logical conclusion. P-S made it very clear that all winning conditions were stated upfront, so there are no hidden "win with your partner" conditions out there.

The fact that Karosis is kicking up such a storm claiming he doesn't believe this very logical conclusion makes me think he is a killer trying a little too hard to convince other killers that he is an ignorant non-killer.

...I hope that made sense.

And, yeah, I think someone already mentioned it, but that bit at the end totally sounds like he's whining to P-S because his role is too hard.

Karosis

re whining bit: definitely

as for the rest, why do you (and others) think that all scum not knowing any other is the only logical conclusion? if that were so I think itd be really bland and just a lot of people with the same thing, whereas i think its more likely tapper would want it crazier then that. not that I think this is the way it is, but imagine a big group of scum, maybe 5 or 6, none of whom have killing powers but all have some stealing power. each one knows one or 2 others but not the whole group. depending on who they steal from they get powers but not always kills. so even though they know each other its a big rush to try and get that kill power and when the deaths start flying they are suddenly trying to determine who it is based on who they know who has died so they can turn on that person. eventually one is alive and if the town dies that scum wins.

not that I think thats how the game is setup, but its possible and crazy enough to fit the game rating

Omg not this shit again. It's not only a crazy theory, it's completely insane. I don't think it's very likely that they made the game in such a way that scum wanting to kill each other knows of each other. I can agree that they might have some sort of finder ability so they can sniff each other out, but that's all. I am more inclined to call your description a low TMDI game than a high TMDI game. Because it makes it easier for scum to kill each other off. Period.

[Alkend]

That said, Fener is definitely getting more and more annoying. Being so sure someone else is scum is either scummy play or trying to get a reaction - though to what even I don't know - maybe distraction? Stop being such a jackass Fener, unless you actually want to die. Jester, anyone?

Is it okay if I call him a jackass, mods? If not, sorry.


Edit: added smilie for good measure

This post has been edited by Alkend: 17 July 2009 - 06:29 PM

[Korbas]

Atrahal, on Jul 17 2009, 06:16 PM, said:

Korbas, on Jul 18 2009, 02:10 AM, said:

Anyway, looking over Karosis, this post strikes me as the most odd:

Karosis, on Jul 17 2009, 11:38 AM, said:

back briefly before bed.

"you know, the "last man standing thing", untill it is properly explained, doesn't really in any way preclude the fact that scum may know each other.
my vote on Karat is based off that assumption.

I am yet to be convinced that I am wrong, and we are, in fact dealing with X number of independent killers who know no one but theemselves.
in which casem i've got some serious questions about the balance of the game.

I think it is well-established, given the small number of basic tennents of the game, that "X number of independent killers who know no one but themselves" is pretty much the only logical conclusion. P-S made it very clear that all winning conditions were stated upfront, so there are no hidden "win with your partner" conditions out there.

The fact that Karosis is kicking up such a storm claiming he doesn't believe this very logical conclusion makes me think he is a killer trying a little too hard to convince other killers that he is an ignorant non-killer.

...I hope that made sense.

And, yeah, I think someone already mentioned it, but that bit at the end totally sounds like he's whining to P-S because his role is too hard.

Karosis

re whining bit: definitely

as for the rest, why do you (and others) think that all scum not knowing any other is the only logical conclusion? if that were so I think itd be really bland and just a lot of people with the same thing, whereas i think its more likely tapper would want it crazier then that. not that I think this is the way it is, but imagine a big group of scum, maybe 5 or 6, none of whom have killing powers but all have some stealing power. each one knows one or 2 others but not the whole group. depending on who they steal from they get powers but not always kills. so even though they know each other its a big rush to try and get that kill power and when the deaths start flying they are suddenly trying to determine who it is based on who they know who has died so they can turn on that person. eventually one is alive and if the town dies that scum wins.

not that I think thats how the game is setup, but its possible and crazy enough to fit the game rating

Hmm, so first of all. It was stated very clearly in the OP that the game is operating under the "‘you kill someone, you absorb their powers’ concept," not absorbing powers without killing.

And second of all, how does your explanation compensate for the 4 deaths last night?

The scum have killing powers. That's why they're called scum. And I guarantee you that if they each had the name of another scum, like in a big circle, all kills last night would have turned up scum and innos would have immediately won the game.

I repeat, only logical conclusion. And I think the sooner people catch on to this, the sooner we can move on from the subject and use what we know to find the remaining scum.

[Atrahal]

Fener, on Jul 18 2009, 02:23 AM, said:

And regarding your just-above-it post, why on earth would the bad guys know each other? They would kill each other in a heartbeat. And doesn't the FOUR kills last night, including 2 scum kills, pretty much throw your theory into the gutter?

why wouldnt the bad guys know each other? the thread rules and opening stuff doesnt say one way or another and this is TMDI 10. anything goes mechanic-wise if you ask me. and they wouldnt kill each other in a heartbeat if they didnt have kill powers...yet. and once they did they still wouldnt know all the other scum, just 1 or 2.

but that was just my random on-the-spot alternate scenario that i was throwing out there to try and show that this idea of assuming all the scum are lone killers is a bad assumption and we shouldnt vote karossi just because he is thinking outside the box.

as for the kills, well there could be vigs, inno killers (who would eventually lose powers to scum), an FM, overload mechanics on lesser abilities like in monastery murder or any of a billion other possibilities. though unlikely, it could even have been a one-time 4-person vig like there was in heroes 2

[Alkend]

Atrahal:

[Atrahal]

okay then alkend, you just keep following your assumptions to the letter without allowing for any possible variation and you'll be completely wrong in SH, not to mention that this game will be really bland with just 4 identical scum and 15 standard innos

[Korbas]

Atrahal, on Jul 17 2009, 06:32 PM, said:

okay then alkend, you just keep following your assumptions to the letter without allowing for any possible variation and you'll be completely wrong in SH, not to mention that this game will be really bland with just 4 identical scum and 15 standard innos

We're not saying that they are all identical.

We are saying that they DO NOT KNOW EACH OTHER.

[Atrahal]

Korbas, on Jul 18 2009, 02:34 AM, said:

Atrahal, on Jul 17 2009, 06:32 PM, said:

okay then alkend, you just keep following your assumptions to the letter without allowing for any possible variation and you'll be completely wrong in SH, not to mention that this game will be really bland with just 4 identical scum and 15 standard innos

We're not saying that they are all identical.

We are saying that they DO NOT KNOW EACH OTHER.

alkend at least is positing that each scum is a killer and knows no one. sure they might have slightly different secondary abilities from kills, but basically once theyre killers and have the same knowledge they are pretty much identical