[Korlat]

Finally back home. First thing, I agree that it's highly unlikely that there are symps in this game, since that isn't really conducive to last man standing.

Fair number of cases in the last couple of hours. The change of play is a valid enough point I suppose. It is a bit weird that the people who accused Sil of 'leading the play' then started to do exactly that themselves, but I can see the suspicion aroused by Kar-someone (the quote is on a previous page and these dragon names are all too new to me) and Bargy. I could vote either, but I will be on around deadline so I will wait a while first.

[Emurlahn]

@Korlat: I feel there's a difference between one person trying to push the game forward in one direction (with 2 people hopping on with little to no additional discussion) and a group of people discussing possible lynches.

I'm going to bed soon, and it doesn't seem like anyone else is willing to lynch Silanah right now. It would admittedly be lame to lynch someone just for trying to get a game going, but IGMEOY. Barghast and Karosis both seem like viable lynches to me--hell, if this new tactic doesn't work it's nothing worse than the usual--although Karosis's random quoting of Silanah in his first post really catches my eye. Almost seems like trying to fake-symp, in fact. (Assuming it's fake since the mechanics suggest there's no symps).
However, I don't think there's enough time to pull up another 9 votes on Karosis. So...
Vote Barghast

[Kessobahn]

ok, so seems like there 2 trains, at the moment, im not sure which one id rather go for right now but i should be around for lynch time, so i will go back and read a bit more before making a decision.

[Fener]

Silanah, on Jul 16 2009, 12:04 AM, said:

well, fuck this then.

Vote Kessobahn

for being symped by Sorrit. This is the only thing I've found that can equal a symp clue, and it's not too far fetched to think the killers have helpers hanging around.

Catching up and about 2 pages back but I wanted to mention this. The set-up is pretty blatantly clear.

Victory Conditions from first post said:

Victory Condition:
Scum: last man standing.
Town: eliminate all scum.

There are no other victory conditions.

So no, there is absolutely no way that Sorrit is symping Kessobahn as all scum must be the last person standing and as such, clearly have no symps.

[Fener]

Karatallid, on Jul 16 2009, 12:41 AM, said:

Ok... so the most important fact we have is that the scum are playing till "the last man standing."
So this means they are going to be making cases against each other just as readily as we would.
Which means finding one scum wont give us allot of info with regards to the rest.

Also it would seem that scum having majority doesnt end the game.
Which would make vigs very important end game if we are looking like the minority (if there are any that is)

I would think that there are most likely 3 scum killers. Each having a symp. Any more than that would be a mess. I could be wrong ofcourse but thats my take on things.
As far as RI's being able to gain a night action?....im clueless. Best bet has something to do with lynching? As RI's have no other way besides lynching to influence the game.


edit - talking in 3rd person then not....not making sense

Also, this is another wrong wrong wrong post, see my previous one for why.

[Fener]

Anomandaris, on Jul 16 2009, 01:10 AM, said:

Neither case strikes me as all that strong, but of the two the one against Gamelon appears more likely, as his reaction was a bit jumpy. True, could be drink, but who says scum don't get drunk? Whereas, like Amp says, the set up doesnt seem to lend itself to symps.

Finally, some people making sense.

[Path-Shaper]

I'll be out for the next 30-40 min while travelling, if I manage to catch my train, 30 min more if I don't.

Ciao

Tapper

[Fener]

Karatallid, on Jul 16 2009, 04:00 AM, said:

Korbas, on Jul 16 2009, 10:53 AM, said:

Karatallid, on Jul 16 2009, 08:41 AM, said:

Ok... so the most important fact we have is that the scum are playing till "the last man standing."
So this means they are going to be making cases against each other just as readily as we would.
Which means finding one scum wont give us allot of info with regards to the rest.

Also it would seem that scum having majority doesnt end the game.
Which would make vigs very important end game if we are looking like the minority (if there are any that is)

I would think that there are most likely 3 scum killers. Each having a symp. Any more than that would be a mess. I could be wrong ofcourse but thats my take on things.
As far as RI's being able to gain a night action?....im clueless. Best bet has something to do with lynching? As RI's have no other way besides lynching to influence the game.


edit - talking in 3rd person then not....not making sense

So this struck me as odd. What part of "last man standing" would imply that there are symps? As P-S said above, there are no secret, hidden victory conditions like "win with your symp," so symps make no sense to me in this game.

If a killer wins by himself, that would mean that he would have to kill his symp at some point, and if the symp inherits the killer's power when he dies, and also wins alone, then it would be in the symp's best interest to get his master lynched as quickly as possible. Either there are secondary killers that activate once the primary killers die, but have no knowledge of who the primary killers are, or there are no symps whatsoever.

Either way, I wouldn't expect to see any "signaling" going on this game, and anyone who uses the possibility of such behavior in a case comes off to me like scum trying to drum up a bad lynch (I'm looking at you, Sil), but that's just my opinion.

well a symp by definition would win if his master wins...regardless of being dead or alive.

I suppose you are right though....but i wont completely write off the possibility of there being symps.

I guess you can't read the explicitly posted victory conditions?

[Silanah]

all right.. I'm perfectly fine voting Barghast..

so
remove vote

Vote Barghast

*dissapears in a puff of paper that needs to be finished*

[Alkend]

Silanah and Emur going at each other strikes me as two innos day-1-striking at each other. I agree that the smooth players are better candidates for lynches, generally speaking, but this is day 1 so whatever we do the odds aren't that good. At this point I don't have a clear preference for a lynch, but if necessary I will jump on the Barghast train. I am just checking in at this time, I'll be around in half an hour or so - I'll vote then - I am assuming there's still a couple of hours left?


Edit: just to clarify that I don't mean to say that Sil or Emur are CI. Don't want people to start strawmanning me.

This post has been edited by Alkend: 16 July 2009 - 03:33 PM

[Korbas]

Emurlahn, on Jul 16 2009, 02:13 PM, said:

@Korbas: It's part of the RI PM, which Tapper's also included in the opening post/rules section.

edit: In retrospection, I assumed and we all know what that does. But either way, my point stands and I doubt Tapper would make a game that broken.

Well, obviously RIs only get one night action (well, really they get zero, but you know what I mean). That hardly says all players only get one.

I agree that killers probably will only get one kill a night, but what's the point of them absorbing other people's powers if they're just going to use their killing power every night? I think it is a possibility that they get multiple actions so that they can kill and also use any powers they absorb (like a find or a guard). This is less OP than multiple kills, since they can't completely dominate the end-game, but it's still quite scary.

As far as the trains, I think Barg is a more viable lynch candidate, but I don't like how the train formed up after he clearly said he wasn't going to be back before the lynch. I just feel bad voting for someone who can't defend themselves, and think maybe the train took off because people are looking for the next easy lynch.

Gonna reread, umm, the other guy who voted Emur (don't remember the name). And Kesso's latest post still really hasn't said much, so my vote will stay on him for now until he makes that "decision."

[Fener]

I'm all caught up and I have to say that anyone talking about symps is trying to muddy the thread. There are no symps, zero, none, zero, zilch, nada. If you talk about symps, you did not read the first post or you are deliberately trying to confuse people.

Silanah is not a good lynch simply for driving the game and trying to meta-place him in that position is pointless (he drew an alt that won last game, or he is talkative like recent winners). If anything, this set-up leads me to think that leader players are GOOD for town. Scum have no reason to outright lead because they aren't working with each other and certainly don't want a high profile.

I'm quite torn because I still want to vote myself for the terrible alt, but for today's purposes I'm going to vote the guy who's whining about work and clearly hasn't read the set up.

Remove Vote
Vote Karatallid

edit: fixed a misused word

This post has been edited by Fener: 16 July 2009 - 03:40 PM

[Korbas]

And where did Gamelon get to? Yesterday he was King Spam and today he hasn't said anything. Weird.

[Fener]

There's only like 3 hours left til the lynch, too, and I think Barg just barely cleared 4 votes (of 10 required). I can see the logic in voting him, because he quietly jumped on a Day 1 case before disappearing for a while. I still think Karat is a better choice.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 1. 2 hours and 57 minutes remaining

19 Players still alive: Alkend, Ampelas, Anomandaris, Anthras, Atrahal, Barghast, Eloth, Emurlahn, Fener, Galayn Lord, Gamelon, Karatallid, Karosis, Kessobahn, Korbas, Korlat, Okaros, Silanah, Sorrit

10 votes to lynch, 10 votes to go to night

2 votes for Karatallid: ( Okaros, Fener )
4 votes for Barghast: ( Sorrit, Karatallid, Emurlahn, Silanah )
1 vote for Kessobahn: ( Korbas )
2 votes for Emurlahn: ( Barghast, Karosis )

Players not voted: Alkend, Ampelas, Anomandaris, Anthras, Atrahal, Eloth, Galayn Lord, Gamelon, Kessobahn, Korlat

[Korbas]

Well, since it looks like it's getting late, I will put my reservations to the side in order to achieve a lynch.

Barghast

Fener, while agree Karat has been acting a little odd, he seems genuinely upset by some RL issues, and I'm willing to give him that for now.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 1. 2 hours and 51 minutes remaining

19 Players still alive: Alkend, Ampelas, Anomandaris, Anthras, Atrahal, Barghast, Eloth, Emurlahn, Fener, Galayn Lord, Gamelon, Karatallid, Karosis, Kessobahn, Korbas, Korlat, Okaros, Silanah, Sorrit

10 votes to lynch, 10 votes to go to night

2 votes for Karatallid: ( Okaros, Fener )
5 votes for Barghast: ( Sorrit, Karatallid, Emurlahn, Silanah, Korbas )
2 votes for Emurlahn: ( Barghast, Karosis )

Players not voted: Alkend, Ampelas, Anomandaris, Anthras, Atrahal, Eloth, Galayn Lord, Gamelon, Kessobahn, Korlat

[Fener]

Well I'll vote anybody at this point (including myself).

Remove vote
Vote Barghast

edit: vote typo

This post has been edited by Fener: 16 July 2009 - 04:33 PM

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 1. 2 hours and 36 minutes remaining

19 Players still alive: Alkend, Ampelas, Anomandaris, Anthras, Atrahal, Barghast, Eloth, Emurlahn, Fener, Galayn Lord, Gamelon, Karatallid, Karosis, Kessobahn, Korbas, Korlat, Okaros, Silanah, Sorrit

10 votes to lynch, 10 votes to go to night

1 vote for Karatallid: ( Okaros )
6 votes for Barghast: ( Sorrit, Karatallid, Emurlahn, Silanah, Korbas, Fener )
2 votes for Emurlahn: ( Barghast, Karosis )

Players not voted: Alkend, Ampelas, Anomandaris, Anthras, Atrahal, Eloth, Galayn Lord, Gamelon, Kessobahn, Korlat

[Korlat]

Well it looks like Bargy is the only option for a lynch today.

vote Barghast