[Path-Shaper]

I'm away for a couple of hours.

[Karatallid]

well guys im out till tomorrow....loads of time left.
will be back in about 15 hours.

definitely before the deadline

[Eloth]

ill throw down my vote to take it to L-2, might not be back on till later today
Vote Kessobahn

[Atrahal]

so since amp was a bust, im gonna read on anthras instead just because I cant remember him well.


PART 1:

Anthras, on Jul 16 2009, 10:12 PM, said:

Well well well it looks like the seriousss business has started. From the looks of things I think that the case on Emurlahn is usual 1st day bullshit. So I won't be voting for him. I have to finish some RL work when that is done I will do a reread and place my vote. We have 5 hours left and I will be around before the end of day.

Anthras, on Jul 17 2009, 01:56 AM, said:

Well shit I am back and now and it looks as though Barghast is the only option for today. Rather then refrain and possible have no lynch I shall join and continue the game.

Vote Barghast


Just so you all know this is purely a vote for the sack of a lynch. I haven't seen anything overtly suspicious in Barghast posts myself. But unfortunately I have not been paying as much attention as I do normally so I do not have any strong suspects myself.

Anthras, on Jul 17 2009, 01:59 AM, said:

Eloth, on Jul 16 2009, 06:58 PM, said:

what th euck is even the case on barghast genuinely

No but with an hour left there is not enough people on to vote for someone else. I refuse to get into a situation were we don't lynch and have no information at all tomorrow. This way we at least have the train.

so he starts off calling the emur (who turns out to be scum) case completely crap and votes for barghast purely for the sake of getting a lynch

Anthras, on Jul 17 2009, 02:41 AM, said:

Path-Shaper, on Jul 16 2009, 06:05 PM, said:

Okaros is dead. He was scum.
Emurlahn is dead. He was scum.
Sorrit is dead. He was of the town.
Korlat is dead. He was of the town.


Relevant PMs are incoming.
Please remember to enter SH on your game alts.

It is now day again (timer will have a slight delay)

Son of a bitch. WOW... Tapper wasn't kidding when he said that heads would role. I wouldn't assume that all of the deaths are only due to scum. We might have a lot of vigs or some kind of reactionary kills. Alla City of Saints and Madmen. At this rate we could be done by the weekend though.

I am a little disappointed in Tapper and Bent though. The game is highlander were people lose their heads and swords clash and you boys can't write a suitably bloody scene. Tisk tisk.

begins speculating on some kills being inno kills or reactionary

Anthras, on Jul 17 2009, 02:57 AM, said:

Kessobahn, on Jul 16 2009, 06:54 PM, said:

Well i wasnt expecting quite so many kills or 2 scum dead Personally im goign to assume wcs that we had at least 4 scum to start with based on the number of kills with a possibility of guards or healers bringing it higher so were probably looking for at least 2 more killers now

Reasonable thought. I am also thinking that since this is a game were peoples heads role we might have good killers. It could be how people gather powers. Or perhaps you have good vigs who if they kill scum would then be able to kill every night themselves. I also like the idea of reactionary kills.

more speculation on inno killers and reiterates the reactionary kills idea

Anthras, on Jul 17 2009, 04:10 AM, said:

Eloth, on Jul 16 2009, 09:03 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on Jul 16 2009, 01:01 PM, said:

victory condition for scum is last man standing.
If one scum and one town stand as the last two and the scum somehow is unable to kill the townie (which may or may not be possible), then the scum loses.

well all he has to do is wait for day to time out and kill em, if he has a killing power

hmmm

Unless they have a reaction power were if they are targeted the person who targeted them dies. In which case the scum would lose. The fun time would be for a scum to get to be the last man standing when 3 people are left.

and the same again

Anthras, on Jul 17 2009, 05:02 AM, said:

Eloth, on Jul 16 2009, 08:14 PM, said:

worst case scenario people

Worst Case scenario would be that you all are scum with me being the only RI left in the game. Right now it is a race to see which of you will be left alive to kill me at the end of the game. As it is last scum standing this actually might be true. No paranoia to see here. Keep moving.

Also nice way to respond to Korbas questions by instead of answering him, voting for him. Nothing scumming in that move at all. No sir.

overstates the wcs and then throws out that bit against eloth for voting for korbas


(sure this will be a xpost)

[Atrahal]

PART 2:

Anthras, on Jul 17 2009, 05:51 AM, said:

Gamelon, on Jul 16 2009, 09:42 PM, said:

So, I went back through Emurlahn's and Okaros' posts. I have no clue why Okaros was targeted. I didn't see anything in the posts that would tip his hand as scum. Either a feud vote, or random target, imo.

Emurlahn, on the other hand, was playing like a killer in an inno m & p game. Got into a bit of a rumble with Silanah. Contributed to content and lynch. Which, spells out careful pretty good killer to me. Now, a scum could have targeted him because he recognizes scum play in Emur's posts, but he played it well... so.

Could be an attempt to frame Silanah, who was managing to gather some heat by the end of day 1, but if scum wants Silanah dead all they have to do is kill him. Or, it could be a lucky kill or feud type thing.

One other, alternate explanation, for two successful scum kills: Scum targets a player. If they find another scum the kill goes through and they absorb a BP or some other sort of power. While scum targeting another player that's inno, they'll get no additional power. Perhaps?

Edit: grammar.

I don't suppose you looked into the non-scum players to see why they might have been targeted. Not that any of it really matters as like all night kills it is WIFOM.
Personally I am hoping that all of you scum don't get BP's when you kill one another. That would make the game drag on after a couple of days. However it could be that a scum has to kill a scum in order to be able to kill again. If there is a high level of scum then that could easily be a possibility. Especially if a town vig would be able to get the same ability. Oh I like that idea. If a vig or scum kill a non scum then they might get what ever ability that person had assuming they had an ability. Why then the person who scum would most not want to kill would be someone with out an ability cause then they would be scum with out a power. That is twisted and might be complex enough to be a tmdi 10.

and once more arguing that scum arent killing every night and that innos have kills

Anthras, on Jul 17 2009, 09:56 PM, said:

Ampelas, on Jul 17 2009, 02:25 PM, said:

Well for me, I am thinking we started with 4 scum each with an individual kill. Or if we are really lucky, 3 scum and we had a Vig on Emurlahn.

Only way we are going to find out is by seeing how many kills there are this night. But all this speculation is a little pointless, as we have no clue it could be anything. I can imagine a large number of other setups each increasingly unlikely but still vaguely possible.

I am not convinced that there are only 4 scum. I also find it highly unlikely that PS put in paired scum. That wouldn't make any sense at all. Get a grip. Tapper is good at making tmdi 10 games. Remember Rome. Personally I think that there is a mechanic that we don't know about involved in this game. I would be really surprised if there are symps in this game. After all it isn't like the symp could possibly win. The scum would have to kill the symp to win the game. I could see something were in certain conditions townies became scum or that there were a lot of scum to start out with. We know that there were at least 4 killers last night (if you figure that the scum took each other out) but really the WCS is that there could be as many as 6 or 7 killers. I think that it is more likely that a mechanic is in play that we don't know about.

But in all likely hood there is no symps and there is no way that we have paired killers.

I would attribute the scum's death to luck or to there being a high number of scum in the game.

now adds the second part of his argument - that there are 6-7 killers (but presumably he believes they arent killing every night for the reasons he speculated on earlier)

Anthras, on Jul 18 2009, 08:41 AM, said:

I don't think you need my vote to lynch Karosis and I don't think that he has done anything scummy. At this period in the game with the amount of body count we have had I am not going to vote for someone unless I think that they are more then likely scum.

doesnt want to vote for karosis, even if he voted for barghast purely for the lynch, now he finds it wrong to vote for karosis even with karo coming back on and defending himself to anomander

Anthras, on Jul 18 2009, 08:42 AM, said:

It has also been my experience that scum are the ones who make cases and push them. As such I find myself looking at Anomandaris.

Anthras, on Jul 18 2009, 09:08 AM, said:

Yeah well I know for a fact that Scum make more cases and drive them harder then Innos. So what do you have to say about that. I also know for a fact that during slow parts of games Scum are the ones who want to lynch and so drive cases. This has been shown time and time again in many many many many games. What do you have to say about that. This game has been slow as we are all feeling our way around a tapper/bent tmdi 10. So therefore logic would dictate that the people who should be driving lynchs would more then likely be scum. Ie. Go fuck your self's Scum.


I don't get the rush to lynch. We lost a total of 5 players yesterday and exactly what information did we get out of Barhast's lynch. The only info was that Emu a scum player drove his lynch when Barghast wasn't here to defend himself. Well shove a blow torch up a butt if that isn't similar to what is going on here. Karosis stepped away and so some guys thought that he was an easy lynch so went after him. Smells funny to me. Why doesn't it to you? Is it because you want to narrow down the innocents so that you can focus in and find your other scum that you have to kill to win. I don't know, what I do know is that this lynch smells like the last one and I won't be part of a scum driven lynch on an innocent when we have already lost a lot of players.

Editted for Grammer

Anthras, on Jul 18 2009, 09:09 AM, said:

Karosis, on Jul 18 2009, 02:03 AM, said:

yeah, wow, no offence Anthras (I keep wanting to call you Emurlahnis, btw), but I disagree. Sure, scum do build nice cases, but they aren't the only ones doing it.
Back in the day, mafia was all about making cases and discussing each case's merit.

apologies to all, breakfast took longer than expected. will commence that re-read now.

You can disagree all you want. I played back in the day and I too know the tricks of the trade.

tries to sound like a veteran player and pass his idea that the people who make cases are scum



so my general impression of anthras is that hes not doing much. hes sitting on the sides and occasionally dips in, first to push his many-scum/inno-kills idea for a few posts, then back onto the sides, then comes in again to renounce the karosis train and accuse ano, then jumps back out to the sides. his only accusations have been quick little ones against ano and eloth, but he doesnt build cases or even try to argue his beliefs beyond the spur-of-the-moment bit that triggers his idea. when actually pushed he tries to take the high ground by refusing to vote for karo and by acting like his experience means that he is unarguably right and we should all just follow his lead (in this case in voting for people making cases). im not really sure if Id consider him scummy as of yet, but if hes inno hes not playing for the town, just for himself. I think he needs to beef up his game and do some actual logical, contentful contributions to the game, rather than just keep popping in for a few moments with smarmy remarks before running off again.

[Atrahal]

Eloth, on Jul 20 2009, 11:15 PM, said:

ill throw down my vote to take it to L-2, might not be back on till later today
Vote Kessobahn

okay, but we should definitely wait for him to come on and have the chance to defend himself before we go to l-1 or lynch

[Fener]

Karatallid, on Jul 20 2009, 03:49 AM, said:

*Snip giant color-coded post quote*

I read this and started laughing.
this makes absolutely no sense al all....how did you get to your suspects again?....they were consistent? fuckagn hilarious.

Id vote you after kessoh for this completely rubbish post....
its like your trying to brainwash us with all your fancy colours... common sense be DAMNED

This from the guy who put yet another second vote on someone today (Kesso). My 'suspects' are based on patterns. People playing a specific scummy way are bound to leave a pattern, even if it looks random at first glance. You don't find it remotely suspicious that the highest poster has a history of not voting? Or that you have managed to hop on early trains three times in a row?

Also, why on earth are you trying to set up another lynch? Why are you so worried or angry about a few colors and patterns?

After the weekend break, I'm actually less-inclined to think Atrahal is scum and more was just very frustrated with me last week, but that's the point of being town. You need to get under people's skin and see what happens.

So I'll happily help out with the lynching of Silanah's target (kesso) because he got it right Day 1 and no reason to doubt him now !

Remove Vote

[Fener]

Also, kinda seems like the game is a bit stagnant at the moment. Like we've had no real discussion other than to just say, "Well Kesso is still likely scum, let's vote him and check." I get the idea that we don't get much info from lynches other than a CF and night results, but it still seems like we didn't really do more than wake up and decide to just move the game along ASAP.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 3. 18 hours and 8 minutes remaining

10 Players still alive: Anomandaris, Anthras, Atrahal, Eloth, Fener, Gamelon, Karatallid, Kessobahn, Korbas, Silanah

6 votes to lynch, 5 votes to go to night

4 votes for Kessobahn: ( Silanah, Karatallid, Atrahal, Eloth )

Players not voted: Anomandaris, Anthras, Fener, Gamelon, Kessobahn, Korbas

[Fener]

Kesso's post times are pretty much the same as mine so I would expect him to be around soon.

[Kessobahn]

Ok im around now, looks like a train grew pretty quickly on me, il try and go back now to properly look things over

[Fener]

Still waiting for your ace in the hole explanation.

[Gamelon]

Anyone questioning my voting habits, here's the explanation:

Day 1: I left, thinking we had plenty of time to go, then came back on and Barghat was toast. To be honest, if I would have been on I probably would have voted to get day 1 lynch.

Day 2: Fuck all, I'm having trouble spotting scum. I didn't think Karosis was scummy, but I'm not a hypocrite and haven't voted on anyone, so I'm not going to say someone else's case is bad. I would have just added myself to the stack of dead.

I'll vote today, I've had some time to think about the players.

[Fener]

OK Kesso you've had an hour since you posted you were going to look things over and you're not saying anything so enjoy being at L-1

Vote Kessobahn

edit: Formatting

This post has been edited by Fener: 20 July 2009 - 05:56 PM

[Gamelon]

God you people are moving at light speed.

[Atrahal]

kesso is trying to stall his response until we die from old age

[Fener]

He's probably stammering or struggling to come up with a response. Or the age old, "I got suddenly busy at work" defense.

Dunno why you are bothered by it Game. Scum have no ties to each other and it has been over 2 "real" days since a lynch, making people want to move the game forward.

[Kessobahn]

Ok well looking back Karat pushing the no NK point is definitely suspicious and im surprised noone else has picked up on it, saying things like that makes it seem to me as though he's a killer who deliberately targetted someone else to try and push through a lynch today as he wasnt killed is hardly a particularly unique situation for me to be in

[Gamelon]

I'm bothered because now if I DON'T vote Kesso, it might be a third straight day without a vote! Otherwise, I don't really care other than if he's town he might've just said, "fuck it", and well, I would like town to win.

Edit: xp. What?

This post has been edited by Gamelon: 20 July 2009 - 06:07 PM

[Silanah]

Kessobahn, on Jul 20 2009, 08:05 PM, said:

Ok well looking back Karat pushing the no NK point is definitely suspicious and im surprised noone else has picked up on it, saying things like that makes it seem to me as though he's a killer who deliberately targetted someone else to try and push through a lynch today as he wasnt killed is hardly a particularly unique situation for me to be in

umh.. That's your defence?