[Epiph]

Bauchelain the Evil, on 14 September 2009 - 03:45 PM, said:

But there is an easy explaination: Ragman is part-probably half- Andii

Ragman

Spoiler

ie, Topper

, is definitely half Andii.

[Witness]

Bellurdan's a bit of a weird case, as most of the information on him comes from Gardens of the Moon.

I mean, ICE implies in RotCG that the TTT are descended from the Thel Akai (who we'd never heard of before that book).
Bellurdan claims Jaghut descent: "As a Thelomen, I possess Jaghut blood, though of course Gothos would deny it."

I notice too that Bellurdan is mostly referred to as a Thelomen rather than a Toblokai.

Oh, and he doesn't seem to possess rapid healing, still bearing wounds from Pale several days later - possibly that rapid healing is a result of blood-oil usage, as several characers that seem familiar (or aware) of what Karsa is are still surprised by his hardiness (though he is probably a special case).

And Bellurdan joined the Empire's forces (alongside Nightchill) after coming down from the Fenn mountains, though confusingly he's never referred to as a Fenn.

Going off on a tangent for a second - Leoman of the Flails claims that the Barghast and the Trell are descended from Toblokai.
At some point in HoC we're told the Toblokai existed alongside Imass, Jaghut and Forkrul Assail.
ICE claims they're descended from the Thel Akai.

My question is this - what races come from where, exactly?

[beru]

i think akai are the forfathers of TTT so grandfathers of fenn and telomen

[D'rek]

Epiph, on 14 September 2009 - 04:32 PM, said:

Bauchelain the Evil, on 14 September 2009 - 03:45 PM, said:

But there is an easy explaination: Ragman is part-probably half- Andii

Ragman

Spoiler

ie, Topper

, is definitely half Andii.

Hate to be pedantic but I do believe it is 1/4 Andii. Same thing for all effects and purposes though.

Witness, on 14 September 2009 - 08:29 PM, said:

Bellurdan's a bit of a weird case, as most of the information on him comes from Gardens of the Moon.

I mean, ICE implies in RotCG that the TTT are descended from the Thel Akai (who we'd never heard of before that book).
Bellurdan claims Jaghut descent: "As a Thelomen, I possess Jaghut blood, though of course Gothos would deny it."

I notice too that Bellurdan is mostly referred to as a Thelomen rather than a Toblokai.

Oh, and he doesn't seem to possess rapid healing, still bearing wounds from Pale several days later - possibly that rapid healing is a result of blood-oil usage, as several characers that seem familiar (or aware) of what Karsa is are still surprised by his hardiness (though he is probably a special case).

And Bellurdan joined the Empire's forces (alongside Nightchill) after coming down from the Fenn mountains, though confusingly he's never referred to as a Fenn.

Going off on a tangent for a second - Leoman of the Flails claims that the Barghast and the Trell are descended from Toblokai.
At some point in HoC we're told the Toblokai existed alongside Imass, Jaghut and Forkrul Assail.
ICE claims they're descended from the Thel Akai.

My question is this - what races come from where, exactly?

Well the idea is Thel Akai

Spoiler

are the predecessors of all the other giant-ish races

Presumably the original Toblakai would be pretty directly descended from them. With the Toblakai you get combinations of the words Thelomen, Toblakai, Tarthenal(var.) thrown around and also the Teblor. Basically over the insane amounts of time since their origins the various existing groups have all been altered in different ways from time/cross-breeding/in-breeding/etc and none of them match the originals (which we usually call TTTs and which the demon-possessed one in HoC is believed to be an example. note they are like 15 ft tall). So if Bellurdan says he's a "Thelomen", it probably means that whatever descendant version of the TTT race he's from goes by that name, much like the Teblor go by that or the Tarthenal on Lether, etc. In this case, his own group have cross-bred with Jaghut long ago, but that doesn't necessarily mean that there is Jaghut blood in the ancestry of the Teblor (though there probably is), the Barghast, the Fenn, etc.

Oh and the Fenn are just another group of TTT descendants, though Leoman says that even though they are called Fenn they remember that they were originally called Toblakai. Bellurdan and Nightchill were probably just hanging out with the Fenn (maybe he missed some like-sized company) and I doubt he is from the Fenn ranges or anything like that.

Trell and Barghast are actually comparatively easy as they only exist in once place as one big group with the same ancestry (each). As we know, the Barghast are the result of cross-breeding between Imass and Toblakai (and we don't know what flavour of Toblakai/TTT these 'Toblakai' were). The Trell are all from the Nemil area in western 7C. Presumably they have some TTT/Toblakai blood in their ancestry and also very likely some jaghut blood from the jaghut that used to occupy the area or from the Jhag tribes that still did until very, very recently.

[Urizen]

D, on 15 September 2009 - 03:44 AM, said:

Epiph, on 14 September 2009 - 04:32 PM, said:

Bauchelain the Evil, on 14 September 2009 - 03:45 PM, said:

But there is an easy explaination: Ragman is part-probably half- Andii

Ragman

Spoiler

ie, Topper

, is definitely half Andii.

Hate to be pedantic but I do believe it is 1/4 Andii. Same thing for all effects and purposes though.

I have to say the same but he's 1/2 Andii. He tells Paran in GOTM when they meet. Pearl, on the other hand, is mentioned as having grandparents of Andii decent.

[Epiph]

Yeah, I looked it up on the encyclopedia malazica before I said "definitely." I was going to say he was a 1/4 before I did.

[D'rek]

Spoiler

I know they blithely call him a half-blood sometimes, but I thought he specifically said that his mother was half-andii (making him a quarter) in GotM. Oh well, no big deal.

[Bauchelain the Evil]

Nope that was Pearl who told Lostara that his mother was half-Andii. Topper simply tells Paran that he has Andii blood in hisveins and seeing how he has greyish skin and white hair it's speculated that he's half-Andii

[D'rek]

Bauchelain the Evil, on 19 September 2009 - 04:09 PM, said:

Nope that was Pearl who told Lostara that his mother was half-Andii. Topper simply tells Paran that he has Andii blood in hisveins and seeing how he has greyish skin and white hair it's speculated that he's half-Andii

Ah, cool, your quote-fu is strong!