[Silanah]

I'm at work and got a bit swamped. Let me read your bit.

[Tellan]

Galain, on Jul 8 2009, 10:04 AM, said:

Okay, so, my thoughts on Rashan. He's probably a low level fellow in his faction, whatever that may be. He pushed very hard for Korlat, primarily because of his staunch belief that he was a killer and, this part raises my suspicions most, a or the Gray King. The belief in the Grey King thing is throughout Day 3, but is first stated in the aforementioned post 856. There's two possiblities. He's GB, as GB's mission critical goal is to kill Grey King, or he's Barsavi, as Barsavi are being hunted by Grey King. However, his great fear of the killers leads me to believe that, if he wasn't always, he is certainly now a Barsavi.

Or if we apply the "power roles obsess about themselves" corollary, maybe he's the GK!

[Silanah]

Galain, on Jul 8 2009, 10:04 AM, said:

Okay, so, my thoughts on Rashan. He's probably a low level fellow in his faction, whatever that may be. He pushed very hard for Korlat, primarily because of his staunch belief that he was a killer and, this part raises my suspicions most, a or the Gray King. The belief in the Grey King thing is throughout Day 3, but is first stated in the aforementioned post 856. There's two possiblities. He's GB, as GB's mission critical goal is to kill Grey King, or he's Barsavi, as Barsavi are being hunted by Grey King. However, his great fear of the killers leads me to believe that, if he wasn't always, he is certainly now a Barsavi.

It's a reasonable argument. I was pretty sure Rashan was Spider from his heavy defense of Kaschan before Kaschan self-imploded, despite his cries that he was not. Based on the desire to push for Korlat as GK and the fact that most people have seemed to act like the faction chasing them is the biggest threat, I wouldn't be surprised if Rashan was Basarvi, but now we get to the tricky part of the game.

Why are you pointing it out, if you are also Basarvi? It should be pretty clear that you are either GK or GB based on the case, especially because you label Rashan as a low-level goon.

[Tellan]

Regardless of what he himself says, it looks to me like Rash was a Spider. Which actually makes me not want to lynch him because now I have no idea what team he is on and 33% chance it is mine...

[Rashan]

Galain, on Jul 8 2009, 01:04 PM, said:

Okay, so, my thoughts on Rashan. He's probably a low level fellow in his faction, whatever that may be. He pushed very hard for Korlat, primarily because of his staunch belief that he was a killer and, this part raises my suspicions most, a or the Gray King. The belief in the Grey King thing is throughout Day 3, but is first stated in the aforementioned post 856. There's two possiblities. He's GB, as GB's mission critical goal is to kill Grey King, or he's Barsavi, as Barsavi are being hunted by Grey King. However, his great fear of the killers leads me to believe that, if he wasn't always, he is certainly now a Barsavi.

I might be or might not be of any faction. Regardless my reasons for having wanting Korlat dead is because he was a killer. The only person and or killer who I want to live is my leader. All other killer regardless if they are in my faction or not I want dead. Cause that protects my leader. Which is what my job is.

[Tellan]

Silanah, on Jul 8 2009, 10:33 AM, said:

Galain, on Jul 8 2009, 10:04 AM, said:

Okay, so, my thoughts on Rashan. He's probably a low level fellow in his faction, whatever that may be. He pushed very hard for Korlat, primarily because of his staunch belief that he was a killer and, this part raises my suspicions most, a or the Gray King. The belief in the Grey King thing is throughout Day 3, but is first stated in the aforementioned post 856. There's two possiblities. He's GB, as GB's mission critical goal is to kill Grey King, or he's Barsavi, as Barsavi are being hunted by Grey King. However, his great fear of the killers leads me to believe that, if he wasn't always, he is certainly now a Barsavi.

It's a reasonable argument. I was pretty sure Rashan was Spider from his heavy defense of Kaschan before Kaschan self-imploded, despite his cries that he was not. Based on the desire to push for Korlat as GK and the fact that most people have seemed to act like the faction chasing them is the biggest threat, I wouldn't be surprised if Rashan was Basarvi, but now we get to the tricky part of the game.

Why are you pointing it out, if you are also Basarvi? It should be pretty clear that you are either GK or GB based on the case, especially because you label Rashan as a low-level goon.

That's an interesting idea Sil, but I don't think Rash's faction is really that easily determinable. I think galain is just working to peg Rashan as a particular faction to see who will go for his head, and from that deduce other folks' allegiances.

[Silanah]

We clearly have some type of killing ability left. Liosan was day-vigged and we've lost 3 people to night kills over two nights. There could be more day kills around and I bet the night kills were the result of wound counters.

Whole point is that you are risking your own faction killing you if you fake your faction, and the numbers are too close to risk that IMO.

I think we're getting to the point where everyone is going to more or less end up revealing (intentionally or just as a byproduct of their target selection) what faction they are on, or at the very least, what faction they are NOT on.

[Rashan]

Tellan, on Jul 8 2009, 01:36 PM, said:

Regardless of what he himself says, it looks to me like Rash was a Spider. Which actually makes me not want to lynch him because now I have no idea what team he is on and 33% chance it is mine...

I will take this.


So I was going to go for a Gamelon lynch today as his reveal was moronic yesterday. But as he passed away during the night I am not sure who to go after now.

[Rashan]

Silanah, on Jul 8 2009, 01:41 PM, said:

We clearly have some type of killing ability left. Liosan was day-vigged and we've lost 3 people to night kills over two nights. There could be more day kills around and I bet the night kills were the result of wound counters.

Whole point is that you are risking your own faction killing you if you fake your faction, and the numbers are too close to risk that IMO.

I think we're getting to the point where everyone is going to more or less end up revealing (intentionally or just as a byproduct of their target selection) what faction they are on, or at the very least, what faction they are NOT on.

I agree which is why I have been trying to stay away from revealing my faction. Although it would have been easier to have just said that I was a former member of spider who has been assigned to one of the remaining teams. However that isn't true so.


Any way does anyone else like someone else.

[Silanah]

@ Tellan, I agree with you about Rashan's factionhood possibly being mine. You raise an interesting point about trying to see who will go for whom, but it's a possibly dangerous tactic... unless he IS the Basarvi poisoner. Yeah, I think I just WIFOM'd myself.

[Rashan]

Silanah, on Jul 8 2009, 01:43 PM, said:

@ Tellan, I agree with you about Rashan's factionhood possibly being mine. You raise an interesting point about trying to see who will go for whom, but it's a possibly dangerous tactic... unless he IS the Basarvi poisoner. Yeah, I think I just WIFOM'd myself.

It isn't a tactic that I would use at this particular time.

[Rashan]

Hi Lisheo.

Bored now aren't you.

[Silanah]

Rashan, on Jul 8 2009, 10:41 AM, said:

Tellan, on Jul 8 2009, 01:36 PM, said:

Regardless of what he himself says, it looks to me like Rash was a Spider. Which actually makes me not want to lynch him because now I have no idea what team he is on and 33% chance it is mine...

I will take this.


So I was going to go for a Gamelon lynch today as his reveal was moronic yesterday. But as he passed away during the night I am not sure who to go after now.

Well the truth is that Gamelon's reveal was a lot like other reveals this game. Weirdly placed to drive a specific set of lynches. He directly fingered Emurlahn as a leader, which is interesting to me because he is definitely not my leader. If Game was a peon of his faction the only reason his reveal makes sense is he's confident Emur isn't on his faction, which makes me think the reveal was true, if odd.

[Tellan]

Silanah, on Jul 8 2009, 10:41 AM, said:

We clearly have some type of killing ability left. Liosan was day-vigged and we've lost 3 people to night kills over two nights. There could be more day kills around and I bet the night kills were the result of wound counters.

Whole point is that you are risking your own faction killing you if you fake your faction, and the numbers are too close to risk that IMO.

I think we're getting to the point where everyone is going to more or less end up revealing (intentionally or just as a byproduct of their target selection) what faction they are on, or at the very least, what faction they are NOT on.

With the sheer number of people claiming vigs, I'd suspect there actually were a couple out there. Certainly I would hope the day-kill was a one-time vig, cause if there were more of those I'd probably soil myself in surprise. Out of 3 night deaths, well two killers doesn't surprise me and there should be some guards or healers beyond the leader BPs out there to balance them so the lack in the first nights doesn't surprise me much.

And yes, a mass reveal will probably end up happening over a couple days, but I don't think we're there yet. I'd guesstimate when we reach about 8 or 9 players.

Rashan, on Jul 8 2009, 10:41 AM, said:

Tellan, on Jul 8 2009, 01:36 PM, said:

Regardless of what he himself says, it looks to me like Rash was a Spider. Which actually makes me not want to lynch him because now I have no idea what team he is on and 33% chance it is mine...

I will take this.


So I was going to go for a Gamelon lynch today as his reveal was moronic yesterday. But as he passed away during the night I am not sure who to go after now.

I'll pass your thanks on to my grade 4 math teacher...

[Rashan]

I would go with the Odd and since I thought that Korlat was a killer no reason why Gamelon couldn't have also been one.

[Rashan]

Tellan, on Jul 8 2009, 01:50 PM, said:

Silanah, on Jul 8 2009, 10:41 AM, said:

We clearly have some type of killing ability left. Liosan was day-vigged and we've lost 3 people to night kills over two nights. There could be more day kills around and I bet the night kills were the result of wound counters.

Whole point is that you are risking your own faction killing you if you fake your faction, and the numbers are too close to risk that IMO.

I think we're getting to the point where everyone is going to more or less end up revealing (intentionally or just as a byproduct of their target selection) what faction they are on, or at the very least, what faction they are NOT on.

With the sheer number of people claiming vigs, I'd suspect there actually were a couple out there. Certainly I would hope the day-kill was a one-time vig, cause if there were more of those I'd probably soil myself in surprise. Out of 3 night deaths, well two killers doesn't surprise me and there should be some guards or healers beyond the leader BPs out there to balance them so the lack in the first nights doesn't surprise me much.

And yes, a mass reveal will probably end up happening over a couple days, but I don't think we're there yet. I'd guesstimate when we reach about 8 or 9 players.

Rashan, on Jul 8 2009, 10:41 AM, said:

Tellan, on Jul 8 2009, 01:36 PM, said:

Regardless of what he himself says, it looks to me like Rash was a Spider. Which actually makes me not want to lynch him because now I have no idea what team he is on and 33% chance it is mine...

I will take this.


So I was going to go for a Gamelon lynch today as his reveal was moronic yesterday. But as he passed away during the night I am not sure who to go after now.

I'll pass your thanks on to my grade 4 math teacher...

Still on good terms. I mean didn't you drop out not much after.

[Silanah]

Also, @ Rashan, I don't think that it's necessarily a viable strategy to just lynch anybody that isn't your leader anymore. If you lynch someone on your faction and you currently only have 3 members, you are going to put yourself in a very dangerous position to win by going down to 2 members left in 9 players (post lynch).

[Tellan]

Silanah, on Jul 8 2009, 10:43 AM, said:

@ Tellan, I agree with you about Rashan's factionhood possibly being mine. You raise an interesting point about trying to see who will go for whom, but it's a possibly dangerous tactic... unless he IS the Basarvi poisoner. Yeah, I think I just WIFOM'd myself.

This game is very self-WIFOM-heavy. I've lost track of a bunch of arguments' wifom as it escalated out of control of my mortal brain.

Silanah, on Jul 8 2009, 10:47 AM, said:

Rashan, on Jul 8 2009, 10:41 AM, said:

Tellan, on Jul 8 2009, 01:36 PM, said:

Regardless of what he himself says, it looks to me like Rash was a Spider. Which actually makes me not want to lynch him because now I have no idea what team he is on and 33% chance it is mine...

I will take this.


So I was going to go for a Gamelon lynch today as his reveal was moronic yesterday. But as he passed away during the night I am not sure who to go after now.

Well the truth is that Gamelon's reveal was a lot like other reveals this game. Weirdly placed to drive a specific set of lynches. He directly fingered Emurlahn as a leader, which is interesting to me because he is definitely not my leader. If Game was a peon of his faction the only reason his reveal makes sense is he's confident Emur isn't on his faction, which makes me think the reveal was true, if odd.

Good point, but Gam was being very unusual, didn't even try to make a case on Emur before resorting to reveal, etc. Enough that I'll go back and give Emur a look-over later today (maybe in a few hours once I'm off work), but not enough to sway me outright without a complete review.

[Tellan]

Tellan, on Jul 8 2009, 10:50 AM, said:

And yes, a mass reveal will probably end up happening over a couple days, but I don't think we're there yet. I'd guesstimate when we reach about 8 or 9 players.

Not that it matters much, but I meant 7-8... 10-3=7, 10-2=8

And this just after I spoke about math teachers...

edit: quote header error

This post has been edited by Tellan: 08 July 2009 - 05:56 PM

[Silanah]

See that looks like an Emur defense to me, Tellan, and there's no reason to defend him unless you're sure he's on your faction. Game WAS acting odd, but he also straight-up let himself die. I don't want to use any meta arguments, but I doubt Tapper would just throw away his vote unless he was confident that he had a juicy target. His reveal has a lot of heavy WIFOM, but it doesn't speak of "bad play" like DiBs's implosion.