[Slow Ben]

No, she is not. And i have not explanation as to why.

[beru]

well a bird wisperd to her that eating makes you fat so she stoped...

[caladanbrood]

I enjoyed all the Pirates films. the First one was brilliant, the other two... still decent. But then, I've sailed with several crew members from the ship they turned into the Black Pearl... so that's pretty cool. It was nice to see maritime films that had decent sailing realism (I realise as I type this, that there are millions of examples of impossible stuff, like slingshotting with an anchor, sailing into a whirlpool etc, but that's not entirely what I mean.) After the abortion that was Master and Commander, it was comparitively brilliant.

[Abyss]

Aptorian, on Jun 29 2009, 05:49 PM, said:

Am I the only one who was shocked when they found it dead? And more so, heart wrenched when they learned it was those damned british who made squid face kill it? I was angry, yes I was.

I know that was the reaction we were supposed to have, but it was overwritten by 'we have this almighty big squid thing and we don't have the brains to come up with a way to kill it or the remaining effects budget to make it look good if we did... oh, hey, let's just say it's dead and leave the prop on a beach!'.

Illuyankas, on Jun 29 2009, 11:26 PM, said:

...

The british fleet could still have fucked up the pirated.

I was disgusted that we didn't get a massive naval engagement with all kinds of crazy ship to ship fighting. If they had done that, and thrown in the whirlpool and the kraken for good measure, the movie may, have almost, maybe, been saved.

Illuyankas, on Jun 29 2009, 11:26 PM, said:

Oh, and the goddess turning into a pile of crabs.

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Oh come on, this was AWESOME. It was so awesome when she grew huge and used that babling god like voice and then turned into sea creatures.

The entire Calypso plotline was lame, un-necessary and ill thought out. Having her turn into a giant venereal disease avatar only made it worse.

Illuyankas, on Jun 29 2009, 11:26 PM, said:

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And the stupid excess of plot twists and backstabbing and plans within plans that made no sense.

But they're pirates. When not drinking rum and stabbing innocent merchants to death, they spend their time making plots and betraying each other. It's what they do.

And this, THIS, is why in the end, the Ninja will prevail.

caladanbrood, on Jun 30 2009, 12:17 PM, said:

... that there are millions of examples of impossible stuff, like slingshotting with an anchor, sailing into a whirlpool etc, but that's not entirely what I mean.) After the abortion that was Master and Commander, it was comparitively brilliant.

Don't forget that you can tip a three mast (or whatever) ship if everyone on board runs back and forth a lot.


As for Master and Commander, sure they took liberties, but we did get a couple of fun ship-to-ship combat scenes, which was more than we could say for Pirates 2 and 3.

- Abyss, yargh.

[caladanbrood]

Abyss, on Jun 30 2009, 05:43 PM, said:

caladanbrood, on Jun 30 2009, 12:17 PM, said:

... that there are millions of examples of impossible stuff, like slingshotting with an anchor, sailing into a whirlpool etc, but that's not entirely what I mean.) After the abortion that was Master and Commander, it was comparitively brilliant.

Don't forget that you can tip a three mast (or whatever) ship if everyone on board runs back and forth a lot.


As for Master and Commander, sure they took liberties, but we did get a couple of fun ship-to-ship combat scenes, which was more than we could say for Pirates 2 and 3.

Oh yeah I'd forgotten about that The point I was vaguely trying to make was that fantasy elements like that aside, the mundane stuff was actual sailing going on... regarding Master and Commander, you wash your mouth out.

[Macros]

what was wrong with the second and third pirate movies?
well, for the second this
For the third film, replace the word kracken with keith richards!

Seriously apt, do you judge a film in little pieces?

Was there a pirate in it?
tick
Was there a moment of comedy?
Tick
Was there buckled swashes and a swordfight?
Tick
Was there a boat?
Tick
Was there piratey dialogue?
Tick


MY GOD THE BEST FILM EVER!!!
By your thinking, Captain Pugwash knocks everything else around out of the park


ETA:
sunshine megatron has the final say on Transformers 2:
Are you as pumped about the Transformers sequel as I am? Oh man! Is it a car? Is it a robot? Is it a big noisy mess with no story, characters, or plot? There's only one way to find out, and it will only cost you $10 plus gas and concessions. Go shininess and sounds!

This post has been edited by Macros: 30 June 2009 - 04:56 PM

[Aptorian]

Macros I think you've become deranged from all the blood rushing to your giant hands, leaving little oxygen for your brain to comprehend the true awesome of Pirates.

[Macros]

I think the script writers of pirates 4 found the fountain of youth alright

the studio toilet

[Dolmen 2.0]

seriously I have one simple rule.


If I find myself entertained in a movie without willfully attempting to shred a plot to pieces I'm
happy with it. Thus things expressed here to me make no sense.

Why is a movie bad if for example krakens (a high point from the second film) are found dead?
to me that was the equivalant to a transforming motorbike. its AWESOME. but not necessary. I
could care less if its gone as awesome as it was when it was around.

If a movie producer wants to give up on a construct like the kraken why do we flak him on it and dub the movie
as sucky? its his bloody choice to do so. his freaking movie and for gods sake his genius that spawned
the whole Pirates of the carribean idea in the first place. I think they're in their rights to lay to rest one success in hopes of making a new one. sequals become stagnant otherwise and say what you may, pirates was everything
but stagnant.

also the plot twists in pirates 3 are NOT the movie. they are a part of an entertaining experience.
picking these points and saying this ruined the movie is like picking jack sparrows parts and saying this
salvaged it. You cannot pick a negative point in the story and dub it crap. nor can you pick a positive
and dub it good. A movie should be judged by its memorability and thats that.

its really a question of half empty against half full here.

knitpicking is really just running in circles when it comes to sequels. ultimately theres little point.

This post has been edited by Dolmen: 30 June 2009 - 10:22 PM

[Macros]

when the film is made up entirely with shitty plot twists, pointlessly silly action sequences and the like, then yes, it IS an issue.

For me there was simply not enough redeeming features in any of the following to make them good movies:
Pirates 2 and 3
Matrix 2 and 3
Transformers 2
Terminator 3 (haven't seen 4 yet)

[frookenhauer]

I'd have to disagree with you there mac old buddy.

Matrix 2 and 3 had plenty of redeeming features, but were ultimately nowhere near as good as the first movie.

I loved pirates 2 and Pirates 3 made me laugh, but was a crappy end to the franchise.

Transformers 2 was poor fare, but could have been worse...see terminator 3.

Terminator 4 is miles better than 3, which is something a blind and diseased badger could also accomplish, but nowhere near the brilliance of the 1st 2 movies, I preferred 1, but 2 had miles better action and effects, well duh.

I think what you got going on there is a serious case of "Why for the love of god could you just not make it as good as the others? For fucks sake! You bastards!" Unfortunately i know of no cure, sorry.

[Slow Ben]

Matrix 2,3 were entertaining, nothing more. The first was a good movie AND entertaining.

Pirates 2 was alright, but a def step down from one. 3 was- Lets see how much over the top crap, plot twists, characters we can plug into 2+ hours. And i hated it. We walked out of the theatre and the gf was like "ooooh, wasnt that sooo good?" No!

[Raymond Luxury Yacht]

The pirate movies were merely a vehicle for Depp to act all wierd, Bloom to act all fancy, Kiera to act all hot, and fun to be had by all. They accomplished this admirably. Ok, maybe 2 and 3 were not as good as 1. They were fine though, well worth watching.

Some of you need to realize that you are picking apart plot holes in a movie BASED ON AN AMUSEMENT PARK RIDE. Take the movies for what they are.

For the record, T4 is the biggest piece of shit ever, much wrose than T3.

[Gem Windcaster]

Aptorian, on Jun 29 2009, 08:29 PM, said:

What is with you people? You don't like Pirates 2 and 3, you don't like Matrix 2 and 3, you didn't like indy 4 and you don't like Transformers 2.

I think all of the above films are AWESOME.

Like the Matrix sequels I thought the pirates films just got better and better. Oh sure the plot was a mess in places, and the 3rd film seemed to just go on and on and on around the middle bit. But seriously, it's a pirate series, with pirates, who shoot and chop each other a lot and say ARRRHHHHGHH. And there's childish jokes and cool explosions and giant squids... what's not to love?!

I have told you I love you, right? You're my kind of man, Apt. :gaes-orfantal:


- Gem, likes complications like having secret meetings with her Master's arch enemy, because everyone loves a good plotline.

Btw, I have to agree that sequels generally aren't as bad as people like to think - they're just mostly over hyped.

This post has been edited by Gem Windcaster: 06 July 2009 - 11:09 PM

[Mentalist]

meh
it's why people have to learn to to go see sequels with ZERO expectations.

I saw the second one when I was in Ukraine, and I was blown away by how amazingly well-dubbed it was, so I loved it.

I was the third onein Canada, and was entertained. it wasn't great, but it wasn't crap, either, imho.
of course, I make no claim to be a big-time conossieur of movies, but, ffs, it's an ACTION MOVIE. ans CF so eloquently said about T4, you go to see it to see stuff blow up and people fighting. A lot. that's the bottom line of what you may expect, and anyhting more than that should always be simply a pleasant surprise.

[dktorode]

I myself enjoyed all the sequels, flaws and all.
Its just a joy ride...dont get your thinky meats involved and its a blast.

[Aptorian]

I actually just found my old thread about Indy 4:

http://www.malazanempire.com/IPBforum/inde...c=10633&hl=

I still think it is the best.

[dktorode]

actually remember that post....read it before id seen the film....watched it the next night i believe.

[Raymond Luxury Yacht]

Indy 4 got a bad rap, it was decent. Nothing outstanding, but worth two hours of my life.

I liked all three pirates movies. The last two weren't quite as good as the first, but still good fun.

T4 was the worse piece of shit I've seen in the theater for a long, long time.

[Ain't_It_Just_]

Aptorian, on Jun 30 2009, 08:07 AM, said:

She was a woman, everyone knows women are fickle, spiteful creatures who never know what they want and only wish to have sex with as many pirates as possible before they die of venereal disease.

I think I read something like this in my morning newspaper...

I don't think this is a good idea. They're milking from a dry udder.