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Controversial Professor fired for giving all his students an A+ Do you think he has a point?

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Posted 27 June 2009 - 05:59 PM

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/nation...ticle970280.ece

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OTTAWA — From Friday's Globe and Mail Last updated on Thursday, Apr. 09, 2009 11:22PM EDT

On the first day of his fourth-year physics class, University of Ottawa professor Denis Rancourt announced to his students that he had already decided their marks: Everybody was getting an A+.

It was not his job, as he explained later, to rank their skills for future employers, or train them to be "information transfer machines," regurgitating facts on demand. Released from the pressure to ace the test, they would become "scientists, not automatons," he reasoned.

But by abandoning traditional marks, Prof. Rancourt apparently sealed his own failing grade: In December, the senior physicist was suspended from teaching, locked out of his laboratory and told that the university administration was recommending his dismissal and banning him from campus.

Firing a tenured professor is rare in itself, but two weeks ago the university took an even more extreme step: When Prof. Rancourt went on campus to host a regular meeting of his documentary film society, he was led away in handcuffs by police and charged with trespassing.

With his suspension raising questions of academic freedom, the Canadian Association of University Teachers has started an independent inquiry into the matter. "Universities are to be places that not only tolerate, but welcome, vigorous debate," said executive director James Turk. "There would have to be some very serious misdeeds by Dr. Rancourt to justify this action."

A university spokesperson refused to comment specifically on the trespassing incident or give reasons for the disciplinary action, saying that the decision was "very serious" and "not made lightly."

Prof. Rancourt's suspension is the most serious step in a long series of grievances and conflicts with the university dating back to 2005, when, after researching new teaching methods, he first experimented with eliminating letter grades. He also altered course curriculum with student input – although not the approval of the university – an approach he calls "academic squatting."

A well-published and politically outspoken scientist who revels in hashing out theories on napkins at conferences, Prof. Rancourt's unconventional teaching style has generated both an ardent following among a core group of students, and the rancour of many of his fellow faculty members, one-third of whom signed a petition of complaint against him in the fall of 2007. In the letter, which he provided, the complaints stem largely from a series of critical e-mails he distributed about their "paternalistic" teaching methods – a criticism he still expresses, with little restraint, today.

But he also has some high-profile support from an award-winning psychology professor at the university, Claude Lamontagne, who wrote in an e-mail that faculty members need to fight for the freedom to teach how and when they want, lest their independence be "pressed out of our souls like juice from an orange."

Building on his science and society lectures, the self-described "anarchist" developed a popular course on activism at Ottawa U, which was cancelled by the university the following year, and started an alternative film society focused on social justice.

He made headlines after 10-year-old twins registered for his course with their mother – and he supported the filing of a human-rights complaint claiming ageism when the university said they couldn't stay. His research can be equally alternative: He has called global warming, for instance, a myth. He has also been an outspoken critic of "Israeli military aggression" and is not shy about expressing those views with students.

And while the university may be keeping quiet, Prof. Rancourt has freely disseminated his side of the story: correspondence with university officials and a video of his arrest has been posted on the Internet. "I have nothing to hide," he says.

Sean Kelly, a master's student who had Prof. Rancourt as his thesis supervisor until his suspension, said some students complained in class when the professor allowed debates to wander off-topic – or refused to set deadlines for homework. Some people, Mr. Kelly admitted, took advantage of the free A, but many others put more energy into the class. Comparing Prof. Rancourt to other professors who practically give students the questions that will be on exams in advance, the 27-year-old said, "He really pushes you to think more for yourself."

For now, Prof. Rancourt, 51, is meeting his graduate students in cafés, continuing to advise them unofficially on their thesis projects. He is still receiving his salary while awaiting a final decision from the university. The independent board of inquiry appointed by the Canadian Association of University Teachers may take many months to release a report.

But the professor is undeterred about those A-pluses: "Grades poison the educational environment," he insists. "We're training students to be obedient, and to try to read our minds, rather than being a catalyst for learning."

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Posted 27 June 2009 - 06:04 PM

Hmmmm.... my under-grad Pol Sci department had a professor that allowed you to assign your own grade. I never took his courses because I wanted to learn, not just give myself an A. But, I like his approach better... if you want to learn, come to class and feel free of any restraint of a decidedly difficult subject. But... free A's piss me the fuck off. Always will.
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Posted 27 June 2009 - 06:33 PM

I took a creative writing course in which, on the last day of class, the Prof gave us a slip to fill out - it asked us how much time and effort we put into the course and, based on that, the grade we thought we deserved.

It doesn't take a genius to put down 'A'

To be fair, though, creative writing is hard to grade. It's not like there's a right and wrong. Any opinion is subjective.
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Posted 27 June 2009 - 06:43 PM

I had a similar thing for a creative writing class, bunches of questions about what I thought I deserved. So, since the prof was a pretty cool guy (scifi/fantasy geek), I wrote a rant about how patronizing those kinds of questions are.

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Posted 27 June 2009 - 07:02 PM

View PostTerez, on Jun 27 2009, 02:43 PM, said:

I had a similar thing for a creative writing class, bunches of questions about what I thought I deserved. So, since the prof was a pretty cool guy (scifi/fantasy geek), I wrote a rant about how patronizing those kinds of questions are.


Well, ain't you just a snarky lass! I like it!
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Posted 27 June 2009 - 08:45 PM

View PostTerez, on Jun 27 2009, 07:43 PM, said:

I had a similar thing for a creative writing class, bunches of questions about what I thought I deserved. So, since the prof was a pretty cool guy (scifi/fantasy geek), I wrote a rant about how patronizing those kinds of questions are.


If this post had a line about how much you like Bach then it would paint the complete picture of your character I think.

I think the guy is being too idealistic. Regardless of the University or Discipline Undergrad courses are entirely about accumulating and regurgitating information. The better ones teach you how to apply it too I'd say. The difference between undergrad studies is that they are entirely grad centric. It's only once you get to postgrad you start to get past grades and into original work and producing acedemic work of any value.

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Posted 27 June 2009 - 09:22 PM

View PostCougar, on Jun 27 2009, 03:45 PM, said:

View PostTerez, on Jun 27 2009, 07:43 PM, said:

I had a similar thing for a creative writing class, bunches of questions about what I thought I deserved. So, since the prof was a pretty cool guy (scifi/fantasy geek), I wrote a rant about how patronizing those kinds of questions are.


If this post had a line about how much you like Bach then it would paint the complete picture of your character I think.

You make me seem so shallow. :D

Just for you, here's my prof's response:

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I used an eraser tool on his name.

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Posted 27 June 2009 - 09:28 PM

Awhh... aren't you just the little teachers pet? :D
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Posted 27 June 2009 - 09:31 PM

I am like the anti-teacher's pet. Surely you know this by now? I have a bit of an authority complex, which makes ass-kissing way out of the question.

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Posted 27 June 2009 - 09:34 PM

I can't wait til I'm teaching undergrads. Rant on me, will you?

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Posted 27 June 2009 - 09:40 PM

You should just invent your own score and give the punks a... G
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Posted 27 June 2009 - 09:41 PM

Yeah, I am already starting to wonder if I will ever graduate. Some of my profs love me just the way I am. Others, not so much. :D

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Posted 27 June 2009 - 09:43 PM

Technically an F- would be an invented grade. Like a -.333 on the gpa scale or something that.

Don't suck up to me? F-
Show up drunk to class? Automatic increase of grade by an entire letter.
Grade me on grade my teachers? F-
Inform the university that I'm behaving in an unprofessional manner? Unabomber time.
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Posted 27 June 2009 - 09:47 PM

HD will be a TA forever.

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Posted 27 June 2009 - 09:49 PM

I was a TA and Supplemental Instructor in undergrad. I had to lead review and study sessions. Lesson learned? Most people hate history vehemently.
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Posted 28 June 2009 - 12:13 AM

I must say I agree with that guy to an extent, and especially about grades polluting education. I'd go further and say it's the formality and tradition that is digging the academic grave.
take this for instance, my graduation paper. you'd think that with computers and all that, going boldly into the 21st century, formal matters would be simplified, taking the focus into the content rather than the form and a hoard of little formal quirks.
however.
not only nothing got simplified, the regulations just got fatter... it's ridiculous enough that everything in the paper starting from the humongous required number of book sources to the size and type of font, now apart from several copies of the shit on paper (normal, tied with rope, book-ified, fuck knows what else) you also have to bring it in on a CD, in several copies as well, and there's regulations concerning how the CDs are included and where and how you put your name on them...
I sincerely hope education isn't as retarted everywhere in the world :/
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Posted 28 June 2009 - 12:31 AM

View PostGothos, on Jun 27 2009, 07:13 PM, said:

I sincerely hope education isn't as retarted everywhere in the world :/

At my school, it just depends on the department, really. My music history prof (the main guy I have to deal with for research) is pretty laid-back about such things. He gives you a choice of styles, mainly insists that you pick a style and stick to it, and he only wants one copy, either printed or emailed (he doesn't care which).

I can't see the point of asking for something on a CD when anything up to around 300 MB can be hosted for free. Sounds like someone is stuck in the age of the hard copy.

However, I have heard tales similar to yours from other departments.

Also, school without grades is rather pointless, not because it's not possible to learn anything without grades, but because there's no other way in the end to figure out who was actually paying attention (which is, after all, important). Unless you just go with no grades, and a big standardized test at the end, all or nothing...

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Posted 28 June 2009 - 04:05 AM

View PostHoosierDaddy, on Jun 27 2009, 02:43 PM, said:

Inform the university that I'm behaving in an unprofessional manner? Unabomber time.


Watch out, my school actually generated the Unabomber. But that was in a distant, better funded past. When we had the budget to hire mathematical geniuses with anarchistic fanaticism.

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Posted 29 June 2009 - 06:07 PM

What a load of tosh. Undergraduate science is about regurgitating information! That's the whole point of doing an undergraduate science degree. Mainly because there is a f*ck load of information to memorise and understand before you can apply it to research. You learn the principles and then you prove you have learned them by applying them in exams. There is nothing wrong with good old fashioned learning!
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