[WhiskeyJackDaniels]

Kallor kills her lover. She is so enraged that she grabs her brother, veers into her Soletaken form and they chase Kallor all to Hood and back, and then she finally catches up to him. Kallor kills her brother, left Spinnock Durav dying, and then walks into town. Korlat gives Spinnock Durav (her brother too?) something to heal himself. So at this time, when Korlat should be in a mindless rage at Kallor for killing so many people close to her, she decides that the hunt was a bad idea and heads back to Black Coral.

WTF!!!

[KeithF]

Agreed. Korlat seemed to have joined Kettle in the Character Derailment category. I think SE has suddenly decided to try to make us all feel sorry for Kallor, so having someone kill him for revenge is a no-no.

[Aptorian]

It's the same with Rake who apparently told Spinnock to only "delay" Kallor.

[Illuyankas]

It seemed pretty clear that Spinnock couldn't do more than just delay him, though. And while the first time I read that scene I was going FUCK YEAH KALLOR, the second time I just assumed she'd trusted her brother to deal with him as she had more important things on her mind, with the whole Rake and MD situation.

[Ain't_It_Just_]

Maybe she came to realisations just like Kallor. But yes, it seems peculiar.

[Hoods Balls]

What I always wondered about Kallor is if he can be killed at all. Isn't he cursed to live on forever and eventually always fail in whatever he does? And this knowledge should be known by high ranking Andii as well I think. So why go after him at all?

[Ain't_It_Just_]

Hoods Balls, on Jun 24 2009, 07:17 PM, said:

What I always wondered about Kallor is if he can be killed at all. Isn't he cursed to live on forever and eventually always fail in whatever he does? And this knowledge should be known by high ranking Andii as well I think. So why go after him at all?

Yes, it's not quite clear. In RotCG

Spoiler

Trav stabbed him and there was no blood on his blade. Yeah, he needed the CG's help but I don't think he would have died.

[Raraku]

Well there are worse things than death (especially in the Malazan world) so that comes into mind but i agree that Korlat should have done something other than just heal people.
And at the end of MOI Rake tells Korlat to leave Kallor alive because he has earned Dragnipur (paraphrasing) so yeah he can be killed but only by someone really powerful or something really powerful.

[Raraku]

Well there are worse things than death (especially in the Malazan world) so that comes into mind but i agree that Korlat should have done something other than just heal people.
And at the end of MOI Rake tells Korlat to leave Kallor alive because he has earned Dragnipur (paraphrasing) so yeah he can be killed but only by someone really powerful or something really powerful.

[Zendog13]

Well, lets see. Dead lover vs dead Rake-who-gave-us-reason-to-live-and-now-has-city-that-does-not-float-and-son-of-mummy-dark. I would thing that Rake's death and the ensuing maters back home would take precedence over WJ's death. After all Tiste Andii are known pragmatists so it is logical that she would opt for the cool-headed thing and leave Kallor as more pressing matters are at hand. I mean, Rake just died. The one guy who kept them all together. The gravity of the situation regarding her people slapped her in the face, how could she be selfish and go after someone purely for her own souls sake rather than tend to the well being of her people?
As for killing Kallor...well poking holes in him probably won't work, but something more extreme like beheading him or blowing him up into minuscule particles might do the trick. He is damn good at watching over himself the main reason I think he ahs survived most of this time. The Aging bit was take care of by alchemy.

[Aptorian]

Mortal Life unending. No where in that statement is there a clause that says you can't chop his head off or cut out his heart.

He's not immortal in the sense that he can't die, just that age and probably desease won't kill him.

EDIT: Even if his body and head kept on functioning after a decapitation, he would still no longer be a player. Put his head on a pike and see how far that gets him.

This post has been edited by Aptorian: 24 June 2009 - 09:43 AM

[Hoods Balls]

Well that's your definition Apt but the phrase "'Know this: you, Kallor Eiderann Tes'thesula, shall know mortal life unending" could (as always with SE) mean other things as well. And noone really dies in Wu now do they?

[Zendog13]

True enough Hood's Danglies though I think Apts idea of his head on a spike has some serious merit. In fact, should he be beheaded or extremely maimed, one could say that his eternal struggle/war would then be to regain his body/power...something he has been doomed to never accomplish. I cannot see him gaining world domination as a rather large, gruesome lollipop.
Images of Monty Python's Holly Grail come to mind...and ankle biting.

[Abyss]

I figured Korlat didn't know about Orfantal when she stopped to help Spin'.

And i know this is pure speculation, but we don't actually know that Orfantal is dead for certain. Sure Kallor got him in the neck with the BFB, but Scabby stabbed Silch in the back with an invested blade and stil couldn't kill him while he was just lying there bleeding, so draconic soletaken Tiste may not die so easily. Kallor's comment about 'a night for killing tiste andii' is irrelevant - at that point he thought Spin was dead too.

As for Kallor, i figure he CAN be killed, it's just really difficult. Despite the curse, he's acquired an ascendent level of power even before the CG starting amping him. In theory, even if Whiskeyjack hadn't broken a leg and actually heartstabbed him at Coral, it may have only made Kallor retreat sooner, rather than stick around until Tays drove him off.

- Abyss, ...Hard To Kill...

[WhiskeyJackDaniels]

Hoods Balls, on Jun 24 2009, 05:54 AM, said:

Well that's your definition Apt but the phrase "'Know this: you, Kallor Eiderann Tes'thesula, shall know mortal life unending" could (as always with SE) mean other things as well. And noone really dies in Wu now do they?

Well the full quote is:
'Know this: you, Kallor Eiderann Tes’thesula, shall know mortal life unending. Mortal, in the ravages of age, in the pain of wounds and the anguish of despair. In dreams brought to ruin. In love withered. In the shadow of Death’s spectre, ever a threat to end what you will not relinquish.’


To me that sounds like he could die at any time, and from things like disease or hunger or thirst, in addition to weapons and magic. He can definitely die, its just that his force of will is so strong that it would take a lot of damage to do it. Like Karsa.

[Aptorian]

Good quote

[WhiskeyJackDaniels]

Aptorian, on Jun 24 2009, 12:39 PM, said:

Good quote

Gotta love the wiki.

[Illuyankas]

Abyss, on Jun 24 2009, 03:26 PM, said:

I figured Korlat didn't know about Orfantal when she stopped to help Spin'.

And i know this is pure speculation, but we don't actually know that Orfantal is dead for certain. Sure Kallor got him in the neck with the BFB, but Scabby stabbed Silch in the back with an invested blade and stil couldn't kill him while he was just lying there bleeding, so draconic soletaken Tiste may not die so easily. Kallor's comment about 'a night for killing tiste andii' is irrelevant - at that point he thought Spin was dead too.

As for Kallor, i figure he CAN be killed, it's just really difficult. Despite the curse, he's acquired an ascendent level of power even before the CG starting amping him. In theory, even if Whiskeyjack hadn't broken a leg and actually heartstabbed him at Coral, it may have only made Kallor retreat sooner, rather than stick around until Tays drove him off.

- Abyss, ...Hard To Kill...

Er, we do - I asked Steve at the BBQ and he said yes, Orfantal's dead.

[beru]

and the hounds of light does not exsist...





no realy they are just albino HoS...

[Illuyankas]

We (ok, at least I) didn't ask him that. Besides, the word 'definitely' was involved. You don't mess with a word like definitely. It'll fuck you up.