[Emurlahn]

@sil - lynch time is not when day times out but when a lynch occured. When i was leaving earlier the votes where going back on rashan so i checked in to see if i was needed to remove my vote. Now i am going to be and most certainly will not be back before the end of day but would still rather we had a mockra lynch. As things stand though my chances of seeing that come while i am still here are low and as i prefer doing to not doing i will switch to rashan.

remove vote

vote rashan

My reasons for voting rashan are

1 - harmfult o team inno either through malice or incompetence.
2- questionable statements about alignment
3 - his statement after the cf of tellan which to me felt forced.
4 - he is on the do list of almost every player who has posted in the last 24 hours and will become a must lynch everyday and the scum will use this as the game goes on to harm our chances of taking one of them out if we make a good case.

[Emurlahn]

FUCKING DOUBLE POST - PLEASE REMOVE

This post has been edited by Emurlahn: 24 June 2009 - 09:49 PM

[Galain]

Liosan, on Jun 24 2009, 01:20 PM, said:

Karatallid, on Jun 24 2009, 04:04 PM, said:

I think we'll struggle to win this. It's the idea of compulsion that's the problem.

Say we push to lynch a scum. Obviously, lynching a scum is never easy, and their teammates/symp will make sure there's a competing lynch. And obviously, they will try to paint the people voting for their teammate as infected. Now, a very easy way to prove this not true is to remove vote, and a player wanting to prove themself not under compulsion will do this. Like Silanah just did. Which releases the pressure. Anyone who refuses to remove vote paints themselves as infected in everyone's eyes.

The scum have such an easy way out. And the DG/infected can play at this, too, although with less effect (lack of communication).

The only solution I can think of is to not talk about compulsion unless you actually have some evidence that it's happening. And no, people voting for someone you don't think is guilty is not evidence. Most people think that compulsion today is unlikely, so why is it being suggested so much? People can disagree without being under compulsion.

I also fully agree with this. Remove votes at the end of the day if it's not on the lynch, but don't try and get someone to remove their vote in the middle of the day by accusing them of being infected.

I'd say if Mockra turns up scum, Galain is most likely his symp.

And if Mockra turns up inno, I'm most likely his partner, right? Please stretch for answers, more.

I pushed Rashan for two days now, I'm not 'defending' Mockra, whom I think is, in fact, a perfectly viable candidate for some type of scum.

But if he's inno and just dumb, what are we going to do then? Play around with Rashan some more tomorrow?

[Galain]

And Crosspost with Emur, who posted exactly my thoughts about Mockra v Rashan.

[Galain]

HP, I think Eloth's case has a lot of merit but I think we'd be remiss to not lynch Rashan today. Every day he is not lynched is another day we are wondering why he is still here and a big question mark over his head.

[Hood's Path]

There a good point about Rashan if allowed will be a continuing distraction, but then there mockra's reaction to one vote which seemed weird.

Eloth posts which could be a subtle downplaying of DG threat makes me think it's him.

Multiple players who look dodgy, ok Rashan may be the easiest but is he the right choice for today's lynch?

[Silanah]

Reading back over Karatallid, all I can really see is someone with fixation on Rashan's OMGUS Vote against Galain and yeah its been mentioned before, but it looks very questionable, but besides that there is only some common sense thrown in. Though not much in the way of actual player probing.
Personally I think Galain should be worried, he seems to have a sparkly dragon companion who won't leave him alone (Of course the sparkly dragon has left the building so we can't actually talk to him )

Looked and looked and looked (and no I am not implying he has lots of posts) and most of Galayn Lord's posts are playful spam, he has yet to actually look at someone reasonably and is for the most part agreeing with people. I would say right now he is cruising along.

And as for Eloth, errr.... for all his posts, I can't really get a read on him. Yes he does seem to downplay the cult, but most of what he said makes sense. Not really one to push people either, he seems content to cruise as well.

[Hood's Path]

I think you made a good point Galain.

Even if Rashan is inno, he has compromised himself to the point no one can trust him, and if he still around he will just keep distracting us from the threat of DG and other scum.

Vote Rashan

[Emurlahn]

well i wont be on at days end so rashan is ahead on votes so i gottas place mine there. I will stay up a bit and check the thread again but dont expect much as if nothing happens i will just go to sleep.

[Silanah]

TBH I am still a little bewildered at the people who seem to think I was trying to Derail/Misdirect the Rashan lynch. When we had 24 hours on the clock and 6 votes on him already.

[Omtose]

@HP - you weren't kidding about the lot of reading!

Think I'm caught up now. One or two points.

@Emur ~ not a big thing, but you mentioned a couple of times that people should state their case when they vote, as you can't be expected to remember what everyone says...well yes I guess that's true, but (for me) I'd stated my reasons a couple of times only a few posts before, and was quite clear about my confusion about the way Rash is playing...and that hasn't changed. I also didn't like the way a few people were PIing him on the basis of his bizarre game.

The Mockra reaction to one vote looks like panic, so much so it is giving me pause...this is a tough call...because the train on him looks a bit like derailment of Rashan, but then start thinking every new train is a derailment before a lynch and we'd all end up as mad as a box of frogs (I have no idea why a box of frogs would be mad), and with a very static game.

Overall though I am content to leave my vote where it is at the moment. Rashan has stated openly he is playing his own game and why would an inno say that? I mean as an inno I want to last to the end of the game for sure, but I thought the whole point of town vs scum/cult is we have the numbers so it's okay to die for the team...I know, I know, there are different mechs throwing us off a bit, but KISS. We get rid of suspicious behaviour.

For the record I'm one of the ones that doubts the DG has used his compulsion this early...but given some of the strange behaviour so far I'm not about to put any money on it! I know there is something I've forgotten to comment on...probably should have commented as I read, but I hate it when people do that and say things that are covered later on.

I will be around a little longer if anyone wants to discuss anything and tomorrow should be easier. I hope to be back on before day times out as well. I should warn you though that I am knackered.


Edit: Sod it, should have pressed F5, now I have more reading...I must have fallen asleep writing that post(???)...doesn't time fly when you are having fun?

This post has been edited by Omtose: 24 June 2009 - 10:39 PM

[Meanas]

catching up...

[Galain]

Path-Shaper, on Jun 24 2009, 12:08 PM, said:

It is Day 2. 12 hours and 47 minutes remaining

19 Players still alive: Ampelas, Barghast, D'riss, Eloth, Emurlahn, Galain, Galayn Lord, Gamelon, Hood's Path, Karatallid, Kaschan, Korlat, Liosan, Meanas, Mockra, Omtose, Rashan, Silanah, Thyrllan

10 votes to lynch, 10 votes to go to night

1 vote for Karatallid: ( Rashan )
3 votes for Mockra: ( Emurlahn, Karatallid, Liosan )
6 votes for Rashan: ( Kaschan, Omtose, Barghast, Mockra, Thyrllan, Galain )

Players not voted: Ampelas, D'riss, Eloth, Galayn Lord, Gamelon, Hood's Path, Korlat, Meanas, Silanah


Buggers anyway...

Here's the last update... and below I have it with the newest votes/changes.

10 votes to lynch, 10 votes to go to night

1 vote for Karatallid: ( Rashan )
*4* votes for Mockra: ( Karatallid, Liosan, *Galayn Lord*, *Silanah* )
8 votes for Rashan: ( Kaschan, Omtose, Barghast, Mockra, Thyrllan, Galain, Emurlahn, Hood's Path )

Players not voted: Ampelas, D'riss, Eloth, Gamelon, Korlat, Meanas

Some explanation here.

Emur swapped to Rashan so I moved him. Galayn Lord pledged a vote later for Mockra so I added him to that list. Silanah only removed the Mockra vote to prove he's not compelled infected, so I count him in Mockra's column as we could easily find a proxy voter for Sil if Mockra's case gains more steam. I'm almost wondering if I should count Rashan in the Mockra group simply because Rashan will probably vote anybody to save himself, just like he did yesterday with Tellan.

So really, Rashan is back to L-2, Mockra is at L-6 (or L-5 if you bundle in Rashan), and we have a little over 9 hours to go until the lynch.

[Galain]

By the way, I did the above post because I think we need to start coming to a consensus on the lynch soon if we're going to force people to strip their votes off the unlynched candidates.

[Eloth]

Galain, on Jun 24 2009, 08:51 PM, said:

Eloth, on Jun 24 2009, 11:48 AM, said:

For the record I still think the whole infected revealing thing could hurt team inno since it will give the DG lots of information, but since I doubt any of the infected will come forward it's a moot point.

TBH I could actually go for Mockra or Rashan, since Mockra's reaction was pretty telling, but Rashan is one of those players that we will have to lynch at some point, else they will become a sticking-point in the game. Anyway, I'm going out for some drinks, see you guys later.

What information will it give the DG? It may give the scum information about the existence of a healer, which is one valid reason to not reveal, but it will not give any information to the DG. On Day 1 he knows 19 other people can be infected and a healer isn't going to stop that.

It let's the DG (and the scum) know whether or not they have to worry about the healer. It also gives the DG a better idea of what his pool of infected look like. If duncan dies it could people under the impression that infected are being uninfected when they aren't (although the first unknown infected would WCS be regarded as duncan rather than the DG). I made a much more thought out argument on day one - when I made that message I was in a bit of a rush and 'giving the DG information' was the best summary of my previous points.

Galayn Lord, on Jun 24 2009, 09:32 PM, said:

Hood's Path, on Jun 24 2009, 02:19 PM, said:

Eloth from the general pattern of his posts, seem to be is that he comes in the middle of the conversation, agrees with one side, and makes some casual remarks about players like how they seem odd or so forth. I'll give it a much thorough check to be sure I'm right in my assessment of him.

Isn't Eloth the one who keeps waving an obi-wan-ish hand in front of our face and says 'ignore the cult, find the killers'?

I've never said ignore the cult. Half of my posts concern the cult and how to deal with it. I've just been doing my doing my best to remind everyone that the killers are still around and we should also be paying them a fair amount of attention.

Liosan, on Jun 24 2009, 10:05 PM, said:

I would also like Eloth to explain why he thinks an infected reveal "will give the DG lots of information."

Same as above. If you lot really want, I will try find the various posts on day one that give my thoughts on the situation.

I feel like a lot of what I have said has been taken out of context or mis-interpreted, reread what I originally said.

[Omtose]

Damn it, that was the other thing. If we can get the timing right the vote stripping is a good idea...now where do I go to collect my 'Stating the Bloody Obvious' award?

[Galain]

Also, what the hell happened to the vote order?

From this post....

Path-Shaper, on Jun 24 2009, 11:42 AM, said:

It is Day 2. 13 hours and 14 minutes remaining

19 Players still alive: Ampelas, Barghast, D'riss, Eloth, Emurlahn, Galain, Galayn Lord, Gamelon, Hood's Path, Karatallid, Kaschan, Korlat, Liosan, Meanas, Mockra, Omtose, Rashan, Silanah, Thyrllan

10 votes to lynch, 10 votes to go to night

1 vote for Karatallid: ( Rashan )
4 votes for Mockra: ( Silanah, Emurlahn, Karatallid, Liosan )
6 votes for Rashan: ( Galain, Kaschan, Omtose, Barghast, Mockra, Thyrllan )

Players not voted: Ampelas, D'riss, Eloth, Galayn Lord, Gamelon, Hood's Path, Korlat, Meanas

.... to this post...

Path-Shaper, on Jun 24 2009, 12:08 PM, said:

It is Day 2. 12 hours and 47 minutes remaining

19 Players still alive: Ampelas, Barghast, D'riss, Eloth, Emurlahn, Galain, Galayn Lord, Gamelon, Hood's Path, Karatallid, Kaschan, Korlat, Liosan, Meanas, Mockra, Omtose, Rashan, Silanah, Thyrllan

10 votes to lynch, 10 votes to go to night

1 vote for Karatallid: ( Rashan )
3 votes for Mockra: ( Emurlahn, Karatallid, Liosan )
6 votes for Rashan: ( Kaschan, Omtose, Barghast, Mockra, Thyrllan, Galain )

Players not voted: Ampelas, D'riss, Eloth, Galayn Lord, Gamelon, Hood's Path, Korlat, Meanas, Silanah


Buggers anyway...

Silanah removed his vote and somehow I ended up from the front of the Rashan vote list (which I was) at the end. Did the moderator mess up and remove me by accident in the Manager?

[Meanas]

So Rashan says he's infected. Then obvious question is, who is he symping, or distracting from? It's possible he's just a frustrated RI I guess, although it's in the not very likely category. Either way we will get info from lynching Rashan, imo. Unless there's a better choice, I'm leaning towards voting Rash.

[Galain]

Meanas, on Jun 24 2009, 03:52 PM, said:

So Rashan says he's infected. Then obvious question is, who is he symping, or distracting from? It's possible he's just a frustrated RI I guess, although it's in the not very likely category. Either way we will get info from lynching Rashan, imo. Unless there's a better choice, I'm leaning towards voting Rash.

Are you even playing this game? Rashan has hinted he was infected and every time asked if he was, he says, "I didn't say that." He's deliberately not telling us if he is or isn't.

Your entire posting history is this kind of confused mess.

[Omtose]

No he's not saying he's infected (that's part of the bizareness [is that even a word?]) he said he would say if he was, but he hasn't, only tried to imply it and then denied it...that is what happened isn't it (I am so tired I can't remember anything any more.)



Edit: What he ^ said...

This post has been edited by Omtose: 24 June 2009 - 10:57 PM