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Mafia 47 - City of Saints and Madmen Festival of the Squid, and other horros

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Posted 29 June 2009 - 05:26 AM

Ok, tell me I'm not the only one seeing the following about Galayn Lord (and I say this, because I seem to remember other people saying they were going to take a look at him)


View PostGalayn Lord, on Jun 27 2009, 01:45 AM, said:

Hrm a Reveal super early.

Your hope that the scum have not been recruited wouldn't have been enough for me to reveal if I was duncan, but I can't see a plus to the scum or DG or infected fake revealing, so at this point I think we have to take it at face value.

What worries me is that you don't seem to understand the previous cases presented, and then make one of your own.


Here he says "I'm going to believe your reveal Gam, but then undermines his credibility (his understanding of cases presented).
Then, from this point on, he makes a surprising number of posts trying to get us to believe the reveal might be fake.

View PostGalayn Lord, on Jun 27 2009, 07:20 AM, said:

It dosen't matter if we believe it or not. At this point if they are lying noone better counterreveal, until the duncan/janice with the power can try disinfecting Game to see if he is the DG or not.

For all we know Game is the DG and HP is the killers symp. (Think about that.)

Seriously, DUNCAN/JANICE, if you are alive, don't counterreveal until your night action results are in.


There's 1.


View PostGalayn Lord, on Jun 27 2009, 07:11 AM, said:

But look Galain, HP has claimed twice that he has never been infected.

Which means Game lied to us, but I would be it was an attempt to hide HP-as-Janice from us.


There's 2.

View PostGalayn Lord, on Jun 27 2009, 07:05 AM, said:

With Game gone till Monday, we can't even verify HP's claim.

Damn. Damn Damn Damn.

I will vote Mockra before I leave for the day to verify we get the lynch but damn.


Can't "verify" HP's claim, but we can "verify" the lynch. He even loves using the word.
Here he's quick to point out that verification is impossible (Gam came back though). And the damn damn damn damn and then a final damn struck me as melodramatic.

View PostGalayn Lord, on Jun 27 2009, 07:03 AM, said:

View PostHood's Path, on Jun 26 2009, 02:02 PM, said:

GL shut the fuck up, I feel like kicking my head in myself, I don't need anyone else help.


No.

If, and I tend to believe you because a scum or DG wouldn't play shit shittily, IF you are really Janice, you fucked up big time.


Underlining by me, capital "IF" was GL. Here he questions HP's reveal.

View PostGalayn Lord, on Jun 27 2009, 06:59 AM, said:

Hey HP, can you and Game talk off thread?


This fishing can be seen as looking for reveal verification, but it also looks suspicious.

View PostGalayn Lord, on Jun 27 2009, 06:20 AM, said:

Ok, I'm back and read up. Game you are gone, but let me respond to you: You missed parts of each case that you downplayed.

And now to Liosan: I can't see a fake reveal working, unless duncan and janice are dead. If anyone fake reveals as Duncan, and duncan or janice are still alive, can't they just disinfect them that night to see what happens, then announce the results the next day?

In response to Liosan, I HAVE to say that if you are the real Duncan/Janice - don't reveal in response to Gam, disinfect him to see if he is the DG or just an infected.

I personally doubt that we have lost both Duncan and Janice and any infecteds would know... and now as I think further the DG might. Do they both CF as infected or just Duncan? hrm let me go read the 3rd post.


The italics: I can't see a fake reveal working. Ok, that's an admission -
But then see the underline: that's 3 times. He speaks sense in a way, but it just fits the pattern of raising suspicion.


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View PostEmurlahn, on Jun 26 2009, 02:27 PM, said:

i for one welcome our new doppleganger overlord :)


Know what I just thought of?

Duncan/Janice are going to be the first ones to go if the DG is gone (after v2.0).


Here's some meaty forshadowing. And maybe implying he somehow knows Karat and D'riss weren't the DG v1.0.


All in all, I believe Liosan and Korlat. I'm waffling on Galain - his defense of himself has been good but if he's the best lynch, I'll vote for him. But for now, I don't mind thinking out side the box. Galayn Lord has managed to rather insidiously imply again and again that Gamelon is a fake.

Vote Galayn Lord
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Posted 29 June 2009 - 05:28 AM

View PostAmpelas, on Jun 29 2009, 05:17 PM, said:

View PostGalain, on Jun 29 2009, 06:45 AM, said:

I'm retiring early tonight, probably won't last any night lynches (assuming 'morning' for Morg is night for me). I have no more theories and no fancy reveals so if you are going to lynch me, that's fine. GL, Kaschan, or whoever the DG is has won the game. Congrats. If you don't lynch me, I will be on, probably before the timer is up, and throw my vote wherever it's needed.

Night.


Oh, FFS, keep saying that. Do you really think a 21-players game could be over on day 4?

Anyways.

The reveals leave me cold. I'm willing to believe they are not killers, but if the first DG is dead, anyone can become him, Big Ben style. I don't think that applies to Duncan, and he would know if it happened to his sister, so those two I'll keep trusting. But not Liosan + Korlat.

I find strange Liosan outed his partner so easily, specially when he mentions he's "inno power role". Then again in this game, seems people have put as much thinking in their reveals as what color socks they'll put on in the morning.


Ok, I hadn't thought about that possibility between Lio and Korlat. He should still be the disinfect target in that case.
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Posted 29 June 2009 - 05:44 AM

I would like to point out here - Lio did not say "inno power role", he said, quite clearly, "powerless innos". Two completely different things, my friends. Neither of us have powers.

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Posted 29 June 2009 - 05:57 AM

it's day 4. 8 hours and 30 min left of the day.

12 Players still alive: Ampelas, Barghast, Eloth, Emurlahn, Galain, Galayn Lord, Gamelon, Hood's Path, Kaschan, Korlat, Liosan, Meanas

7 votes to lynch, 6 votes to go to night

3 votes for Galain: ( Gamelon, Hood's Path, Liosan )
1 vote for Meanas: ( Emurlahn )
1 vote for Kaschan (Ampelas)
1 vote for Galayn Lord (Barghast)

Players not voted:, Eloth, Galayn Lord, Korla, Meanas, Galain

IT's day 4. 8 hours and 30 min remain of the day. The timer is now back on-line.
Only someone with this much power could make this many frittatas without breaking any eggs.
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Posted 29 June 2009 - 07:03 AM

Nudity!! I must destroy it
Only someone with this much power could make this many frittatas without breaking any eggs.
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Posted 29 June 2009 - 07:04 AM

View PostAmpelas, on Jun 29 2009, 06:09 AM, said:

View PostEmurlahn, on Jun 28 2009, 07:54 PM, said:

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View PostHood's Path, on Jun 24 2009, 03:51 PM, said:

I'm not sure, Rashan attitude is so obviously anti inno it could be to the point that he could be inno.

I have come across very few scum that come out intentially and say they are out for themselves, I have come across players who rather survive to the end of the game even if there actions are detrimental to their team. Which is stupid.


That seems to happen a lot, and its always very detrimental to our team. People seem to think being inno gives you the kudos to just be an asshole and somehow everyone else has to just know that your an inno cause it says so in your pm :)

At the end of the day i will switch to rashan if my vote is needed and it becomes inevitable, or i will follow through with gamelons idea and remove my vote to prove i havent been compulsed if i dont think i will be back before night falls.



@ampelas - i had to go back five days to find a post i started with a capital you prat :p


Hm yeah now I went back to check and that's true.

I still find i a few things bizarre here:
1) Why would D'rek start writing posts like a first-generation voice-to-text program for this game? Was he hiding or something?
2) How come your vig succeeded Emurlahn, either you chose one of the few players that didn't hide that night, or both you and someone else went for him.

Anyways

remove vote


I think he was symp! (reverse dk in action here responded back to front).

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Posted 29 June 2009 - 07:06 AM

Might want to get in your alt then, dkt. :)

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Posted 29 June 2009 - 07:15 AM

View PostBarghast, on Jun 29 2009, 04:49 AM, said:

Well, Ampelas comes across pretty squeaky clean, except for his FM vote. There is no mention of that in the rules, so it seems crazy that he'd just come out with a vote like that. It could be that he needs to appear to be making some sort of case, but if that's the best he can do... Not worth a vote, it's just weird.

As for Emur, I got nothin'. His choice to vig Thry was ballsy, and he seems to have fair enough reasoning behind it. Of course, it could be a kill and not a vig.

Be back in a bit, and then I'll take a look at GL. As you say Galain, the chances of something earthshattering appearing now seem slim. That may mean your lynch is inevitable though. What really needs to happen is Korlat needs to show up.


Not using meta or anything, but when someone offers me a vig, i tend to use it first and ask questions later :) No one else has come forward to say they also targetted him so he must have been out and about himself. Your argument that i could be scum doesnt make sense as the bp granted those who stayed in was not discriminatory, in fact i would hazard the scum stayed indoors to protect the army of possible vigs roaming the street.

as for ampelas - that was totally bizarre, and totally meta as well as its basing his vote on the fact that he didnt alt guess thyrllan successfully??

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Posted 29 June 2009 - 07:23 AM

View PostGalain, on Jun 29 2009, 05:45 AM, said:

I'm retiring early tonight, probably won't last any night lynches (assuming 'morning' for Morg is night for me). I have no more theories and no fancy reveals so if you are going to lynch me, that's fine. GL, Kaschan, or whoever the DG is has won the game. Congrats. If you don't lynch me, I will be on, probably before the timer is up, and throw my vote wherever it's needed.

Night.


if no one is going with meanas i may have to take on galains vote if only for the above post. When someone thinks they are that important you know somethings wrong. You have the mechanics all wrong, the DG cannot win while there are scum still uninfected as if dg and dg 2 die the infected return to normal. Even with a slight majority there is the possibility of the scum killing dg at night. this whole lynch me and you lose scaremongering is plain ridiculous and a very last, weak attempt to sway opinion.

vote galain

i stillt hink some of the low posters are where we should be looking for both dg and the scum but i am never gonna sway enough people in this time frame to my way of thinking.

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Posted 29 June 2009 - 07:29 AM

I think it's more that Thyrllan's alt was inconsistent with his spelling and grammar. Still meta, but it was strange.

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Posted 29 June 2009 - 07:33 AM

View PostKorlat, on Jun 29 2009, 08:29 AM, said:

I think it's more that Thyrllan's alt was inconsistent with his spelling and grammar. Still meta, but it was strange.


grammar? what is this thing called grammar?

Was just gettign round to discussing the reveal, and i gotta say i am disappointed in liosan. Ina non cult game he would have effectively created a sizeable block of VPI which would have done well to narrow down the suspect pool, but i cant help feel he ratted you out too easily. given that it is a cult game i would seriously suspect he has been infected. He had coded your name in, so even had he been lynched we would have had the advantage of a VPI later on in the game when it would have been very useful as you could have cleared yourself in the end game or whenever a lynch was directed your way.

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Posted 29 June 2009 - 07:34 AM

View PostGalain, on Jun 28 2009, 10:29 PM, said:

And for the record, my case was NOT that you were "so inno you were guilty." It was based on your fervent crusade to find the DG being a massive font of WIFOM.



thats pretty much what you could be doing...as i have stated before :p

But i preffer to think you are a killer :)

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Posted 29 June 2009 - 07:42 AM

ok....ive read everything from friday till now.

I did miss where ehmur revealed vig though?.... can someone point me to that pwetty pwease?

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Posted 29 June 2009 - 07:46 AM

View PostEmurlahn, on Jun 27 2009, 10:38 PM, said:

View PostThyrllan, on Jun 26 2009, 03:16 PM, said:

I think there is only one, but regardless ti seemed weird the way you just went striaght into 2 killers when such info was not even under consideration at this point. weird

the conspiracy theorist bit i mean dont get all paranoid debating the person's hidden agenda and whatnot too much, main focus has to be on what we know theyve done!


hmmm, i may of killed thyrllan. I kind of had him down as a symp after this post as he seems pretty sure of how many killers there should be and thinks there is only one. It ran contrary to everything else we haddiscussed and it wasnt the first time he said it. Now there was the possiblitiy put forward of multiple symps knowing various killers or replacing them and his insistenc eof only one had me dubious.

So i went after him last night on the understanding that if he was a symp he might be trying for someone else.

Just thought you would all like to know that. The reason i didnt make a case was that i wasnt sure and i thought given the nature of the festival it was a good way of finding out.

will be back on tomorrow to look over the galain case (from yesterday) and the meanas case.


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Posted 29 June 2009 - 07:50 AM

Well, i am not completely against waiting till after we have at least caught the first DG to lynch Galain.
I think he is the killer with an outside chance of being the DG, and hiding himself from me, by portraying the biggest DG hunter.

So i propose we lynch whoever we think is the likeliest DG and then i will disinfect galain tonight to make sure he is not the DG.

If the DG chooses HP...he will have to kill him and effectively waste A night recruiting as he will lose the player. I will let the thread know that HP is infected and he can be killed by the killers if the DG decides not to kill him.

I dont think the DG will infect HP though....as the entire thread will know he is infected and it will be a waste. But if he does...thats his choice but it buys us a bit more time.

Also the killers will be trying like hell to kill the DG....so we have a lynch, a find on DG AND the killers killing potential DG/infected im pretty damn sure we have to hit something.

So....

Who is most likely DG?
Also....if a killer is about to get lynched l-1....perhaps it would be in his teams best interest also to actually reveal, so that we dont lynch someone who is not the DG....something to think about heh?

Id be willing to keep a killer around to help with numbers and DG hunting....heck....i would even disinfect him if needed :)
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This post has been edited by Gamelon: 29 June 2009 - 07:53 AM


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Posted 29 June 2009 - 07:51 AM

View PostEmurlahn, on Jun 29 2009, 03:46 AM, said:

View PostEmurlahn, on Jun 27 2009, 10:38 PM, said:

View PostThyrllan, on Jun 26 2009, 03:16 PM, said:

I think there is only one, but regardless ti seemed weird the way you just went striaght into 2 killers when such info was not even under consideration at this point. weird

the conspiracy theorist bit i mean dont get all paranoid debating the person's hidden agenda and whatnot too much, main focus has to be on what we know theyve done!


hmmm, i may of killed thyrllan. I kind of had him down as a symp after this post as he seems pretty sure of how many killers there should be and thinks there is only one. It ran contrary to everything else we haddiscussed and it wasnt the first time he said it. Now there was the possiblitiy put forward of multiple symps knowing various killers or replacing them and his insistenc eof only one had me dubious.

So i went after him last night on the understanding that if he was a symp he might be trying for someone else.

Just thought you would all like to know that. The reason i didnt make a case was that i wasnt sure and i thought given the nature of the festival it was a good way of finding out.

will be back on tomorrow to look over the galain case (from yesterday) and the meanas case.


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you did this on festival night?...i cant rememer

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Posted 29 June 2009 - 08:08 AM

View PostGamelon, on Jun 29 2009, 08:50 AM, said:

Well, i am not completely against waiting till after we have at least caught the first DG to lynch Galain.
I think he is the killer with an outside chance of being the DG, and hiding himself from me, by portraying the biggest DG hunter.

So i propose we lynch whoever we think is the likeliest DG and then i will disinfect galain tonight to make sure he is not the DG.

If the DG chooses HP...he will have to kill him and effectively waste A night recruiting as he will lose the player. I will let the thread know that HP is infected and he can be killed by the killers if the DG decides not to kill him.

I dont think the DG will infect HP though....as the entire thread will know he is infected and it will be a waste. But if he does...thats his choice but it buys us a bit more time.

Also the killers will be trying like hell to kill the DG....so we have a lynch, a find on DG AND the killers killing potential DG/infected im pretty damn sure we have to hit something.

So....

Who is most likely DG?
Also....if a killer is about to get lynched l-1....perhaps it would be in his teams best interest also to actually reveal, so that we dont lynch someone who is not the DG....something to think about heh?

Id be willing to keep a killer around to help with numbers and DG hunting....heck....i would even disinfect him if needed :)
Obviously


keep a killer around? are you totally bat shit crazy? Yopu do realise the killers cant win while we have four VPI about. If you think galain is a killer there is no way i am changing vote and neither should you. This obsession with the dg is bloody ridiculous, we havent had one confirmed scum death yet and people are pissing themselves over the cult. We need to start taking out both side or in very short order we will be getting clean fucked six ways from sunday. Seriously scum is scum, whichever side its from i think we need to lynch who we find suspicious and enough of this fannying about.

Scum suspects (all inclusive killers and dg, most to least)
meanas
galain
kaschan
barghast
eloth

infected suspects (possibly dg 2)
liosan
eloth

meanas
kaschan
barghast

I dont htink galain is infected as he was too vocal, but you painting a hairy arsed target on eloth by clearing him and lisoan sold his partner too quick. Now meanas for me is the perfect choice for a lynch as he fits every scum category going, low posting so good for infection. possible killer or dg both as he just appears when day is near ending and avoids the modkill.

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Posted 29 June 2009 - 08:19 AM

Will leave myself in the unknowns as well to you i am unknown.

DAY 4. 2 infected dead therefore 1 DG and 1 infected.

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Ampelas, - unkown (also bonkers mind)

Barghast, - unkown

Eloth, - NOT DG.

Emurlahn - unknwon

Galain, - unknown (posibble lynch today)

Galayn Lord, - unknown

Kaschan, - unknown

Meanas - unknown

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Gamelon, duncan

Hood's Path, - rachel

Korlat, lover

Liosan, - lover (possibly infected

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Out of eight unknowns we have possibly four scum and1 dg, with a single infected garaunteed mind as duncan had revealed so dg couldnt miss. Thats maybe six of eight are a danger. We are really banking on the dg having hit scum to give us a chance and i hope thyr was a symp so then we are really at 3 scum and 2 infected (counting dg)

looking at it like that i think

MOST LIKELY DG :- galayn lord, ampelas or kaschan

MOST LIKLEY KILLERS :-meanas and Galain with barghast an outside shot.

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Posted 29 June 2009 - 08:51 AM

im not crazy....

and we can take care of the killers when the time comes....we need to get the DG.
There is afterall STILL going to be a DG2 and we have to start all over again.
Keeping a killer around till we MUST kill him is not exactly that hard to fathom.

dont be such a pussy

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Posted 29 June 2009 - 08:57 AM

Yes, at this point in the game the killers are an asset. Ideally, they'll be hitting infected or the DG, or the DGv2, thus aiding us all - they don't want to lose to the DG any more than we do.

Plus, if they do get close to a lynch and decide to reveal, then they require two to be out in the open to prove it, yes? :)

Also, Emur, you should still have me down as possible infected - there is no proof otherwise.

I want to push Kaschan, but only because he's just...there. Just a gut feeling, I suppose. Ampelas is insane, and has said some random shit - perhaps an infected trying to suggest FM to get us all on a wild goose chase, or the DG themself...killers could deal with him, if they are feeling amenable, yes? (Not that I'd presume to tell them what to do, or anything).
Which, I suppose, leaves me with Galayn Lord. But his hints and attempts at destabilising Gamelon make me think he's more likely to be an infected, or a symp of some kind. *sigh*

I don't know what else to sort through. *runs in circles*

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