[Galain]

Or maybe he's also furiously scanning the news because MICHAEL JACKSON DIED. Celebrity deaths come in threes!

[Galain]

Yay I'm posting by myself!

[Liosan]

Ugh, trying to find time to post today has been painfully annoying. I'm finally caught up, though, so time for responses.

Obviously, the foremost is HP's commentary on me. I guess it's a case. He didn't vote for me, though. Didn't vote for Mockra, either, whom he thinks is a killer. I'll respond to him, however, since he went through all the trouble of putting those quotes together:

I'm glad to see you're following some advice and trying to step up your game with a case, but it's a really bad one. Basically you're saying that I'm playing exactly like a roleless innocent should play by trying to help the town as much as possible and putting pressure on people who don't appear to be, and because of that I must be guilty? You make it sound like I've been going on witch-hunts, labeling anyone who disagrees with me as scum, which is just silly and it's blatantly misconstruing the facts. Tellan was scummy because his arguments were clearly anti-town. Mockra is scummy for a whole giant list of reasons, none of which, however, are because he disagreed with me. And those are the two people I have labeled scum. I've called other people suspicious, but that is just applying pressure to them.

On that note, I'm heavily inclined to vote Mockra for yesterday's activities, but we've got plenty of time and I have other suspicions to throw around. More to come.

[Liosan]

Galain, on Jun 25 2009, 06:54 PM, said:

Or maybe he's also furiously scanning the news because MICHAEL JACKSON DIED. Celebrity deaths come in threes!

Holy shit, Michael Jackson died! Craziness!

[Liosan]

Galain, on Jun 25 2009, 02:20 PM, said:

Alright, I think the Mockra case has a lot of merit but I'm going to double down on GL's vote for HP because the questioning is a CLEAR example of avoiding all confrontation and original thought.

Mockra's earlier vote vacillation is mighty suspicious too, and I will gladly switch to him if that case finds more merit (or if another case comes up), but this is the best case I've seen so far today. Also, I am aware that Lio has earlier called me out for trying to derail Mockra as his symp. It's false, and I have no reservation about voting Mockra today.

Vote Hood's Path

This post jumped out to me. You can talk all you want about how you have no reservations about lynching Mockra, but from where I'm sitting, it looks like you're trying to railroad another noob to save Mockra's ass again. I guess only time will tell, but I remain suspicious.

[Hood's Path]

To Liosan

If you're the DG why not try playing your best to look like an RI so as to avoid suspicion, the DG is one of the most hunted roles, so surely the best cover for the DG would be to the one of the people who seems him as a very big threat.

I didn't vote for you at first cause I was still trying to decide if taken out Mockra over you was a better priority.

But a chance to take out DG and potentially stop that threat is a top priority.

So

Vote Liosan

[Galain]

Liosan, on Jun 25 2009, 04:16 PM, said:

Galain, on Jun 25 2009, 06:54 PM, said:

Or maybe he's also furiously scanning the news because MICHAEL JACKSON DIED. Celebrity deaths come in threes!

Holy shit, Michael Jackson died! Craziness!

I know!

[Galain]

Liosan, on Jun 25 2009, 04:24 PM, said:

Galain, on Jun 25 2009, 02:20 PM, said:

Alright, I think the Mockra case has a lot of merit but I'm going to double down on GL's vote for HP because the questioning is a CLEAR example of avoiding all confrontation and original thought.

Mockra's earlier vote vacillation is mighty suspicious too, and I will gladly switch to him if that case finds more merit (or if another case comes up), but this is the best case I've seen so far today. Also, I am aware that Lio has earlier called me out for trying to derail Mockra as his symp. It's false, and I have no reservation about voting Mockra today.

Vote Hood's Path

This post jumped out to me. You can talk all you want about how you have no reservations about lynching Mockra, but from where I'm sitting, it looks like you're trying to railroad another noob to save Mockra's ass again. I guess only time will tell, but I remain suspicious.

I'll vote Mockra any day of the week as possible scum. Naturally, the problem is that if he DOES CF scum, you will want to lynch me next and that's an awkward position for me to be in. You are completely misinterpreting any desire I had for Rashan to go with some kind of Mockra based defense. Why would I defend a guy who was a likely lynch the next day?

[Liosan]

Hood's Path, on Jun 25 2009, 07:30 PM, said:

To Liosan

If you're the DG why not try playing your best to look like an RI so as to avoid suspicion, the DG is one of the most hunted roles, so surely the best cover for the DG would be to the one of the people who seems him as a very big threat.

I didn't vote for you at first cause I was still trying to decide if taken out Mockra over you was a better priority.

But a chance to take out DG and potentially stop that threat is a top priority.

So

Vote Liosan

You're right, HP. As an RI, I definitely should have tried to act scummier. As you can see, that method of play has clearly been very helpful for the town so far.

[Galain]

@Liosan
Also, that post was intended to stick out. Why do you think I went out of my way to POINT OUT what you had said earlier rather than silently hope people would forget about it?

[Galain]

Barghast, on Jun 25 2009, 04:26 PM, said:

Galain, I just read up and noticed the same thing you did. Either Kaschan saw the case and is clamming up/disappearing because he doesn't know what to say, OR, he's not actually catching up but is trying to appear as if he is here and contributing i.e. trying to appear helpful. If he was going to come up with a retort, he's had 2 hours to do it.

Either way, his silence is odd.

Vote Kaschan

Barghast, isn't it obvious?

Kaschan will show up and talk about how he suddenly got called away for something very important mid-read and couldn't get back until just now (or whenever he shows up).

[Galain]

Also, right now, I am majorly torn between Hood's Path for the QUESTIONNAIRE and his meager case on Liosan, Mockra for all-around scumminess, and Kaschan for a vanishing act. And the day still has over 20 hours left!

[Hood's Path]

The best scum will do their best to hide as inno, I know my case can be argued as wifom but I think we have assumed you to be inno a tad too much, why keep focusing on players we have been keep going on about when there is a group of players who have barely been mentioned or examined.

Ok my case may sound crazy but it makes some sense to me.

[Eloth]

Lots of options, I like it. There's 20+ hours left, so I will be on well before the end of day tomorrow. Cheers people

[Galain]

Off for a while.

[Hood's Path]

About me asking all those question i wanted as much info before I came up with a hypothesis. I hate going with whoever stands out the most obvious cause it can lead to quite a few lynched inno's. (If this game was a simple set up I wouldn't have bothered, but it isn't and when I'm inno I rather have as much info as possible, I find that asking questions can help focus on certain details)

I have come up with a possibility if you think it crap due to how small the evidence on Liosan, fair enough, but that itself could be the point, DG is practically against everyone at the start, he needs to hide, the best cover is someone who pushes for infected to reveal and helps suggest ways of playing that would get around some of DG abilities, why would he do this, cause maybe the guy who DG is confident enough to try and play the game without having to resort heavily on his powers.

And Liosan for me seems to fit the bill for this potential DG player.

[Hood's Path]

OK took my own advice to heart and had a look at Meanas and Korlat. I'll suggest people have a look at them. As I'm going to bed.

[Liosan]

Eloth, on Jun 25 2009, 04:56 AM, said:

Ok, here's the two posts where I discussed infected revealing. My main point concerns the healer. As people pointed out this helps the scum more than the DG. At the end of the day it's still bad for town. The whole thing is a bit moot now since D'riss revealed, since whether or not he survives the night will probably decide how the infected play, rather than our views on the matter.

Eloth' post='624587, on Jun 22 2009, 04:05 PM, said:

Woo, it seems I might be giving Ano a run for his money in the cool avatar category. Hah, take that you smug account tongue.gif

Healing the infected person before they are killed is a cool theory, but there are a couple of drawbacks to it. We dont know if we have a healer, it will be pretty obvious that the healer is dead when infected people start dying and it gives the killers free reign if they know who the healer is aiming for each night.

We really shouldnt get overly focused on the cult-like faction this game. With the mechanics laid out, a single transfer of recruiting power and the lack of a clear leader means they aren't the massive threat they usually are. I think hunting for killers and for the DG should both be equally important.

Eloth, on Jun 23 2009, 12:38 AM, said:

As interesting an idea as the infected constantly revealing is, there are several reasons they likely wont, which have been brought up before:

We dont know for a fact that we have a healer. The DG can kill whichever infected he feels isnt worth keeping around and a revealed infected would definitely classify in that category.
Even if we do have a healer, we are then forcing them to devote all their time to only ever healing infected, meaning the killers have almost nothing to fear.
If the healer dies it would become obvious that this is the case - information both scum teams are better off not having.
We wont know whether the DG or Shriek has been hit if some unrevealed comes up as infected.

There's just too many ways the plan could possibly fall to pieces. Maybe the first one or two infectees might be willing to chance it, but it's really there choice. I dont see any strategy that will immediately nullify the DG, Morgy wouldnt build a game so easily broken.

Having thought about it some more, there's also the fact that we cant be 100% certain that the person who revealed is back in their original team should they survive. The chances would be good that they are, but there is the slight possibility they could survive the night without being uninfected. I would also assume the DG v2 doesnt get told who the first DG infected. If all the infected reveal, then it makes it much easier for the DGv2 to try figure out who Duncan is. It also makes it easier for any infected with a kill to do the same and upgrade themselves to symp.

Okay, you realize that in these posts you don't directly talk about the DG in the context of giving him information, so I'm still a little hung up on your argument.

That's an interesting assumption to make about DGv2 that I hadn't thought about, though. Thinking about it, I would have to assume that he is told who his infected are, otherwise, how would he be able to SO them? "I'm really angry at that guy. I'm gonna try and SO him and hope he's one of my infected." Seems counter-intuitive.

Also, could you please clarify the following underlined sentence? Are you talking about DGv2 there, as well, or DGv1? How does it give v1 a better idea about his pool?

Eloth, on Jun 24 2009, 06:42 PM, said:

Galain, on Jun 24 2009, 08:51 PM, said:

Eloth, on Jun 24 2009, 11:48 AM, said:

For the record I still think the whole infected revealing thing could hurt team inno since it will give the DG lots of information, but since I doubt any of the infected will come forward it's a moot point.

TBH I could actually go for Mockra or Rashan, since Mockra's reaction was pretty telling, but Rashan is one of those players that we will have to lynch at some point, else they will become a sticking-point in the game. Anyway, I'm going out for some drinks, see you guys later.

What information will it give the DG? It may give the scum information about the existence of a healer, which is one valid reason to not reveal, but it will not give any information to the DG. On Day 1 he knows 19 other people can be infected and a healer isn't going to stop that.

It let's the DG (and the scum) know whether or not they have to worry about the healer. It also gives the DG a better idea of what his pool of infected look like. If duncan dies it could people under the impression that infected are being uninfected when they aren't (although the first unknown infected would WCS be regarded as duncan rather than the DG). I made a much more thought out argument on day one - when I made that message I was in a bit of a rush and 'giving the DG information' was the best summary of my previous points.

Galayn Lord, on Jun 24 2009, 09:32 PM, said:

Hood's Path, on Jun 24 2009, 02:19 PM, said:

Eloth from the general pattern of his posts, seem to be is that he comes in the middle of the conversation, agrees with one side, and makes some casual remarks about players like how they seem odd or so forth. I'll give it a much thorough check to be sure I'm right in my assessment of him.

Isn't Eloth the one who keeps waving an obi-wan-ish hand in front of our face and says 'ignore the cult, find the killers'?

I've never said ignore the cult. Half of my posts concern the cult and how to deal with it. I've just been doing my doing my best to remind everyone that the killers are still around and we should also be paying them a fair amount of attention.

Liosan' post='626180, on Jun 24 2009, 10:05 PM, said:

I would also like Eloth to explain why he thinks an infected reveal "will give the DG lots of information."

Same as above. If you lot really want, I will try find the various posts on day one that give my thoughts on the situation.

I feel like a lot of what I have said has been taken out of context or mis-interpreted, reread what I originally said.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 3. 21 hours and 21 minutes remaining

15 Players still alive: Ampelas, Barghast, Eloth, Emurlahn, Galain, Galayn Lord, Gamelon, Hood's Path, Kaschan, Korlat, Liosan, Meanas, Mockra, Silanah, Thyrllan

8 votes to lynch, 8 votes to go to night

3 votes for Hood's Path: ( Galayn Lord, Galain, Thyrllan )
1 vote for Kaschan: ( Barghast )
1 vote for Liosan: ( Hood's Path )
1 vote for Mockra: ( Emurlahn )

Players not voted: Ampelas, Eloth, Gamelon, Kaschan, Korlat, Liosan, Meanas, Mockra, Silanah

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