[coltainereborn]

Actually just posted this question at the end of another post, but it was really a different subject so figured i'd start a new one.

I just finished reading TTH hounds 2nd time through and right after the Hol appear, there is a brief passage with Tulas Shorn

Quote

"Tulas Shorn had never known that Hood, Lord of the Slain, could prove so..... generous.
Or perhaps it was nothing more than Shorn's damned cousin's talent for expecting the worst."

This just raises several questions for me...

Is Tulas Shorn a Jaghut? and if so that would make him a Jaghut Soletaken Eleint- and that is pretty f---ing awesome.

OR is Hood not 100% Jaghut? could he be some sort of half and half, and Tulas comes from the Eleint side of the family.

And was Tulas ever resentful for being trapped in Hood's realm for so long? even though he died?

Tulas also talks about ruling shadow at one point- so could he be a Jaghut/ Edur mix, or did he just take the thrown, like ST?

Just what was going on back in the Elder days- was everyone related?

I don't think there is any real information to be found in the books- so far. So this calls for some speculation and wild guesses.
Love to hear what people think about this.

[D'rek]

We need more context, can you quote the whole page or something?

[Urizen]

coltainereborn, on Jun 9 2009, 04:54 PM, said:

Actually just posted this question at the end of another post, but it was really a different subject so figured i'd start a new one.

I just finished reading TTH hounds 2nd time through and right after the Hol appear, there is a brief passage with Tulas Shorn

Quote

"Tulas Shorn had never known that Hood, Lord of the Slain, could prove so..... generous.
Or perhaps it was nothing more than Shorn's damned cousin's talent for expecting the worst."

This just raises several questions for me...

Is Tulas Shorn a Jaghut? and if so that would make him a Jaghut Soletaken Eleint- and that is pretty f---ing awesome.

OR is Hood not 100% Jaghut? could he be some sort of half and half, and Tulas comes from the Eleint side of the family.

And was Tulas ever resentful for being trapped in Hood's realm for so long? even though he died?

Tulas also talks about ruling shadow at one point- so could he be a Jaghut/ Edur mix, or did he just take the thrown, like ST?

Just what was going on back in the Elder days- was everyone related?

I don't think there is any real information to be found in the books- so far. So this calls for some speculation and wild guesses.
Love to hear what people think about this.

Where did you get that quote? I remember the qoute being "Tulas Shorn had never known that Hood, Lord of the Slain, could prove so..... generous.
Or perhaps it was nothing more than Shorn's damned cousin's a Jaghut's talent for expecting the worst"

[Aptorian]

I think you're making the mistake of connecting the mention of Hood and a mention of a cousin. More likely the cousin is Scabby or the edur people or a shadowmule.

[Abyss]

The cousin quote is the correct one.

Am guessing it's a ref to another Edur, either yet unseen or connection yet unrevealed. I don't think there is any familial connection to Hood.


- Abyss, ...notes we have yet to see any suggestion Jaghut/Tiste producing spawn...

[chill]

I agree with Urizen, I'm pretty sure it says "Jaghut's talent for expecting the worst."

Because Hood knew shit would hit the fan, and probably thought Tulas would help in the upcoming Darujhistan situation out of gratitude.

This post has been edited by chill: 09 June 2009 - 06:09 PM

[Newbee]

Cousin quote is wrong.

[coltainereborn]

I found the quote on pg 770. chapter 23, right before the pust vs Kruppe match(which is awesome). and in my copy it definately says "Shorn's damned cousin's."

It is right after the hounds of light appear, it talks about them retrieving the sword for their master- a sword of perfect justice.

The whole Tulas passage is maybe 10 lines.

I guess it could be possible that the cousin part is talking about somone other than Hood- maybe whoever sent the Hol?

[D'rek]

okay, we have conflicting quotes. Standard procedure ladies and gents, everyone get your edition info on-thread, especially publisher and hardback/tpb/mmpb. country of origin would be good too. Then take close-up photos of the quote and the closed book...

[coltainereborn]

Tor publishers, 2008 soft cover, US edition.
Bought at Barnes and Nobles
It was a clear but very cold day in december, i had just cashed a check.....

[Grief]

Toll the Hounds Page 859, on Bantam Press, Harback, said:

High in the sky above the city, tilting, sliding and dipping to avoid each shaft of infernal light, an undead dragon tracked the Hounds of Light.
Tulas Shorn was not pleased, even as something flowed sweet as a stream through its mind. A kind of blessing, alighting with faint, lilting notes of wonder.
Tulas Shorn had never know that Hood, Lord of the Slain, could prove so...generous.
Or perhaps it was nothing more than a Jaghut's talent for anticipating the worst.
As an Elder might observe, there is nothing worse than a suspicious dragon.

Country of origin would be the UK.

[Urizen]

Grief, on Jun 9 2009, 10:06 PM, said:

Toll the Hounds Page 859, on Bantam Press, Harback, said:

High in the sky above the city, tilting, sliding and dipping to avoid each shaft of infernal light, an undead dragon tracked the Hounds of Light.
Tulas Shorn was not pleased, even as something flowed sweet as a stream through its mind. A kind of blessing, alighting with faint, lilting notes of wonder.
Tulas Shorn had never know that Hood, Lord of the Slain, could prove so...generous.
Or perhaps it was nothing more than a Jaghut's talent for anticipating the worst.
As an Elder might observe, there is nothing worse than a suspicious dragon.

Country of origin would be the UK.

the same version for me. BantamPress p. 859 UK

[Abyss]

Mine came from amazon.com's look inside function - "cousin's talent".

Admittedly Jaghut makes more sense, but that's what it gave me.

- Abyss, ..."Houston, we have a typo."

[D'rek]

Makes ya wonder why it would be different between versions. I guess SE/editor changed it, but why? I guess if cousin came first, then they fixed it to make more sense, but then ya wonder if it's a secret for later books or just an Orfantal-esque error...

[Slow Ben]

Tor American hardback edition says......"damned cousin's talent..."


There's also a couple different definitions of "cousin" SE might be using.

-"a term of address used by a sovereign in speaking, writing, or referring to another sovereign or a high-ranking noble.

-"a gullible, innocent person who is easily duped or taken advantage of." I've heard this one around here, which made me look this up.

I doubt the second, but the 1st is possible.

[Excellence]

Cousin could just be a play on words, like associate. Fellow ascendant associate.

[coltainereborn]

That is strange.. Although if it was typo I don't think it would be "A Jaghut's" For "his damned cousin's" that seems unlikely-i kind of agree with Slow Ben that it could be just a familiar term(kind of like Bult and "Uncle"), and not a family relation...

[Newbee]

Wow too much of a difference to possibly be a typo.

[Grief]

Well, it's certainly interesting, although definetely not proof that Hood and Tulas Shorn are cousins.

I mean, Shorn's a Edur, possibly royal, from what little hints we've had.

It's also mentioned that the war on death was aided by some dragons-so it's not impossible that they know each other, and if Hood then took him after he helped then that gives reason to call him damned.

I would say cousin is not literal, perhaps simply just because they're both ascendants, or maybe have had some association at some point, though they wouldn't have to have had.

I mean, various people call each other brother, cousin, or whatever.

Cousin, if I remember correctly, is often used between two characters who are both ascendant.

[chill]

Grief, on Jun 10 2009, 11:13 PM, said:

they wouldn't have to have had.

I'd like to see the cousin quote, if it's not too much of a problem.