[Liosan]

ie has tabs too, btw

anyhow, good morning. all.
Fener, I realize this will sadden you immensely, but my vote on you was very much of the "hey, let's get the thread moving via a silly suggestion/vote" thing. The fact that it picked up more steam than a Turkish bash is a testament of just how pathetic weekend play has been.

[Kessobahn]

Tellan, on Jun 8 2009, 11:25 AM, said:

actually he doesn't seem to want to let me read my way and i'm clearly not doing it fast enough for him.

Wait...you're catching up? I thought it was he...I'm so confused...

[Tellan]

Kessobahn, on Jun 4 2009, 02:17 PM, said:

Ack, I'm late! Well, sorta...by that I mean, Ack! I wasn't first! So...whats up ya'll? I think we should lynch

vote Fener

cuz he thinks he's clever. Who's with me?

EDIT: BB code fail.

first post. vote for Fener. maybe a joke vote...

Kessobahn, on Jun 5 2009, 08:36 AM, said:

I agree with you Sil, I want to see Fener lynched as well. But there's no real reason for it...but then the reasons to lynch you are no less circumstantial...kinda stupid...I suppose I'm willing to hammer, but Fener is still my first choice for being a cocky bastard.

Sorry for my epic absence, almost as soon as I posted my ISP's server went down and then I didn't have time to post this morning.

second post...so it was a serious vote. interesting.

Kessobahn, on Jun 5 2009, 09:20 AM, said:

Awww, fuck it. Connection is still giving me grief, so I might as well hammer now and hope I can still see the thread later.

remove vote
vote Fener

EDIT: I'm an overtired moron who said the wrong name and crossposted with the actual hammer anyways...maybe I'll step off for a while. Play some games...grow a brain

fourth post, a cross post mis-hammer with my hammer on sil. this guy has a serious hard on for Fener.

Kessobahn, on Jun 6 2009, 09:00 AM, said:

<snip kess roleplaying with himself for brevity>

Well, hello dead thread. I noticed HP said something last night that resonated with me in an odd way. Korlat is an interesting possibility as well, though I'll have to look into that again as well. For myself, now that there's a little more stuff to go on than cockiness, I won't vote Fener, but IGMEOH.

I also noticed that Tennes and Emu both returned after long posting droughts withing 30 mins of dawn. Possible roles?

sixth post...won't vote fener but keeps him on deck....

Kessobahn, on Jun 6 2009, 06:50 PM, said:

So you're thinking Fener and Korlat may be related cult? Interesting...I'm off to bed and don't suspect I'll be back until post-deadline, so with that last revelation, I might as well leave a

vote for Fener

And, Ruse, I'm sorry if I was wrong to insinuate that you were accusing Fener of strawmanning, that's just what it seemed like to me.

ninth post back to fener with the tie into korlat....

the rest of the posts are some playful banter with fener and today's vote for fener.

so i can see why we would want to potentially lynch fener today and he was the only target on a very slow day 2, but why kessobahn have you been pushing his lynch from day 1? even going as far as to link in korlat, trying to set up the next lynch in the chain?

[D'riss]

Kessobahn, on Jun 8 2009, 05:34 PM, said:

Tellan, on Jun 8 2009, 11:25 AM, said:

actually he doesn't seem to want to let me read my way and i'm clearly not doing it fast enough for him.

Wait...you're catching up? I thought it was he...I'm so confused...

No I'm reasonably well caught up, and have shared my thoughts. I was just poking Tellan a little with what I admit was a fairly weak bit of evidence. The vehemence of his reply made me wanna push him a little more, but I dont particularly want to start a pissing contest. Or keep him from his reread.

[Tellan]

Kessobahn, on Jun 7 2009, 06:26 PM, said:

I haz arrived. Shortest catchup ever . Uh, wow, remarkable nights...not sure that's a good thing, being a merc game and all, but meh. From now on I vote we never start games on weekend break.

Uh, I don't see as we have any more info to go on than we did yesterday. We'd almost lynched Fener, should we try that again? Or do we look at Korlat? I don't really have time to read the whole thread again just now, but someone may just have to.

sorry wanted to add this one in as well. post 15 to start the day, 2 posts before his fener vote today. i know this is merc, but how scummy is this post? you can't reread but you want someone else too while putting two targets on the table and saying okay guys which one?

[Liosan]

Kesso and Fener, sitting in a tree......

[D'riss]

That isnt a bad case. Unfortuantely we aren't looking for 'scummy' as such. Do you think he's part of the cult, or just someone trying to get people not in his faction voted off?

[Korlat]

D'riss, on Jun 8 2009, 07:53 PM, said:

That isnt a bad case. Unfortuantely we aren't looking for 'scummy' as such. Do you think he's part of the cult, or just someone trying to get people not in his faction voted off?

If it hadn't started on day 1, I'd say Kess was a finder who found Fener as a crucial role to get rid of, but since it did start day 1 I'm at a loss. Kess is probably just mentally convinced that Fener is bad and keeps coming back to him like an obsessive compulsive disorder.

Mr. Kessobahn, you must now henceforth proceed to build a case on someone other than Fener to prove your diversity of thought!

In the meantime, I don't think this really means anything beyond Kesso's nature.

[Liosan]

wait.. wasn't Peanutbutta the one with a pathological hate of the Fener alt?

[Kessobahn]

Liosan, on Jun 8 2009, 11:59 AM, said:

wait.. wasn't Peanutbutta the one with a pathological hate of the Fener alt?

Perhaps, but he's not the only one.

As for the case, sure if this was town v scum its a good case, but I'm simply looking at a guy who doesn't seem to be on my team, could be a cultist who has fake revealed and saying come on guys, lets get rid of him so we can focus on others.

[Tellan]

D'riss, on Jun 8 2009, 08:53 AM, said:

That isnt a bad case. Unfortuantely we aren't looking for 'scummy' as such. Do you think he's part of the cult, or just someone trying to get people not in his faction voted off?

i think he is trying to lead the game down his path as such i am cautious and curious about why. i'm a little undecided about fener during my reread because his lynch did stall at l-1 which is really strange in a faction game. my initial thought was slow weekend, but your post talking about how merc games play out usually highlights why that may not be the case.

D'riss, on Jun 5 2009, 04:06 AM, said:

I suppose talking means it's less likely to happen, but meh. If person x is a leader, then his followers are more likely to give themselves away trying to defend him/derail his train when he has two or three votes. By the time someone is on l-2, l-3 it's clear which way the wind is blowing and the followers will just vote their leader or lurk. The biggest part of faction games is trying to figure out who is in which faction and the main way you tell is when votes are placed on leaders, since that's pretty much all the info anyone has.

i'm not against a fener lynch for just the above reason, i don't read much into desperation reveals, but i'm just curious why we are being led down this path.

[Kessobahn]

Korlat, on Jun 8 2009, 11:57 AM, said:

D'riss, on Jun 8 2009, 07:53 PM, said:

That isnt a bad case. Unfortuantely we aren't looking for 'scummy' as such. Do you think he's part of the cult, or just someone trying to get people not in his faction voted off?

If it hadn't started on day 1, I'd say Kess was a finder who found Fener as a crucial role to get rid of, but since it did start day 1 I'm at a loss. Kess is probably just mentally convinced that Fener is bad and keeps coming back to him like an obsessive compulsive disorder.

Mr. Kessobahn, you must now henceforth proceed to build a case on someone other than Fener to prove your diversity of thought!

In the meantime, I don't think this really means anything beyond Kesso's nature.

How bout a case on you?

[Kessobahn]

Tellan, on Jun 8 2009, 12:06 PM, said:

D'riss, on Jun 8 2009, 08:53 AM, said:

That isnt a bad case. Unfortuantely we aren't looking for 'scummy' as such. Do you think he's part of the cult, or just someone trying to get people not in his faction voted off?

i think he is trying to lead the game down his path as such i am cautious and curious about why. i'm a little undecided about fener during my reread because his lynch did stall at l-1 which is really strange in a faction game. my initial thought was slow weekend, but your post talking about how merc games play out usually highlights why that may not be the case.

D'riss, on Jun 5 2009, 04:06 AM, said:

I suppose talking means it's less likely to happen, but meh. If person x is a leader, then his followers are more likely to give themselves away trying to defend him/derail his train when he has two or three votes. By the time someone is on l-2, l-3 it's clear which way the wind is blowing and the followers will just vote their leader or lurk. The biggest part of faction games is trying to figure out who is in which faction and the main way you tell is when votes are placed on leaders, since that's pretty much all the info anyone has.

i'm not against a fener lynch for just the above reason, i don't read much into desperation reveals, but i'm just curious why we are being led down this path.

Sorry what? I'm leading down a path? (Yes, I know you're talking at D'riss, but its about me) I've been tunnel vision on one person, with a glance at Korlat when he crossed the metaphorical street. If that's a path, then sure, I'm leading ya down it. However, from my point of view, I'm simply pushing us to the first fork.

[Tellan]

Kessobahn, on Jun 8 2009, 09:05 AM, said:

Liosan, on Jun 8 2009, 11:59 AM, said:

wait.. wasn't Peanutbutta the one with a pathological hate of the Fener alt?

Perhaps, but he's not the only one.

As for the case, sure if this was town v scum its a good case, but I'm simply looking at a guy who doesn't seem to be on my team, could be a cultist who has fake revealed and saying come on guys, lets get rid of him so we can focus on others.

ah interesting so you aren't really looking for the cult you are just looking for people not on your team, which seems to go counter to the collective opinion of hey guys we should find the cult before they get too big. you just tack on cult at the end so it seems in line with everyone else.

[Kessobahn]

Tellan, on Jun 8 2009, 12:12 PM, said:

Kessobahn, on Jun 8 2009, 09:05 AM, said:

Liosan, on Jun 8 2009, 11:59 AM, said:

wait.. wasn't Peanutbutta the one with a pathological hate of the Fener alt?

Perhaps, but he's not the only one.

As for the case, sure if this was town v scum its a good case, but I'm simply looking at a guy who doesn't seem to be on my team, could be a cultist who has fake revealed and saying come on guys, lets get rid of him so we can focus on others.

ah interesting so you aren't really looking for the cult you are just looking for people not on your team, which seems to go counter to the collective opinion of hey guys we should find the cult before they get too big. you just tack on cult at the end so it seems in line with everyone else.

Not so, everyone else, regardless of what they say on thread is looking for people not on their team. The cult is simply the most threatening of the other teams. I am indeed looking for the cult, and am fairly sure that Fener has become or has always been cult (as I've mentioned I think his reveal is desperate bullshit). However, if we have someone who has publicly claimed to be on a team that doesn't seem to be my own team, I'm gonna push his lynch harder than ever, cuz the risk of harming my fellows is gone.

[Tellan]

Kessobahn, on Jun 8 2009, 09:19 AM, said:

Tellan, on Jun 8 2009, 12:12 PM, said:

Kessobahn, on Jun 8 2009, 09:05 AM, said:

Liosan, on Jun 8 2009, 11:59 AM, said:

wait.. wasn't Peanutbutta the one with a pathological hate of the Fener alt?

Perhaps, but he's not the only one.

As for the case, sure if this was town v scum its a good case, but I'm simply looking at a guy who doesn't seem to be on my team, could be a cultist who has fake revealed and saying come on guys, lets get rid of him so we can focus on others.

ah interesting so you aren't really looking for the cult you are just looking for people not on your team, which seems to go counter to the collective opinion of hey guys we should find the cult before they get too big. you just tack on cult at the end so it seems in line with everyone else.

Not so, everyone else, regardless of what they say on thread is looking for people not on their team. The cult is simply the most threatening of the other teams. I am indeed looking for the cult, and am fairly sure that Fener has become or has always been cult (as I've mentioned I think his reveal is desperate bullshit). However, if we have someone who has publicly claimed to be on a team that doesn't seem to be my own team, I'm gonna push his lynch harder than ever, cuz the risk of harming my fellows is gone.

which is a perfectly reasonable answer if you hadn't been pushing his lynch from your first post. very interesting.

[Fener]

Rashan, on Jun 8 2009, 03:55 PM, said:

Gamelon, on Jun 8 2009, 09:32 AM, said:

Rashan, on Jun 8 2009, 07:12 AM, said:

I'm here and caught up, gotta head to work, but i'll be back in half an hour or so


Vote Fener

Because if you weren't cult before, theres a really good chance you are now.

Seriously? How does that provide any information? If Fener's telling the truth, his CF will say heshette tribesman or whatever and we won't even know if he's recruited.

All I am saying is that if he is on my team, and by no means am I saying that, I don't want him around to symp my leader to death so that he gets my leader killed, since its possible his alignment has changed. I agree that going after the cult recruiter is the way to go, but the fact is, if you dont get the cult leader then you leave a very likely cult member around and risk hitting your own team member. If I am wrong, so be it, but Fener was a great target for recruitment, so I'd rather get the wild card out of the way, then look elsewhere and risk hitting a team mate.

Yet you dance around the fact that I'm the obvious target for today's lynch. Why would the cult risk that? They need to pick the targets that will stay alive, and my chances don't seem too great.

Rashan, on Jun 8 2009, 04:22 PM, said:

Gamelon, on Jun 8 2009, 10:09 AM, said:

Rashan, on Jun 8 2009, 10:06 AM, said:

Gamelon, on Jun 8 2009, 10:00 AM, said:

And if you're wrong then the cult gets another night...=/
It felt almost like you were trying to push a speed lynch there, when we need to make the most of our days to learn what we can.

You do know that there is only 2 votes on Fener right now, correct? Not sure how explaining my vote is pushing a speed lynch. Could you explain what you mean by that?

It felt like a "well we didn't manage to get him lynched yesterday, let's actually lynch him this time->vote" sort of thing. Tunnel vision, I guess. But you're right, it's only 2 votes...=/

I want to be clear here, if something better than Fener comes up (like definitive proof of the cult leader), I wont hesitate to change my vote, but right now there isn't anything out there at this moment. I'm not tunnel visioned, I'd just rather hit a possible cultist, than my own team.

What the hell? If these are the requirements for you not voting for me one has to ask why exactly, considering the weak basis of your vote to begin with, you need such absolute proof of someone else being cult. This is more than rational tunnel vision.

[Fener]

And what's got in Kessobahn's craw? I'll need to do a re-read here.

[Kessobahn]

You forget, I had virtually no posts on day one due to my connection being a bitch. I defended Sil because you were lynching him for no solid reason. It was meta, if it was anything. So saying I've been pushing hard from day one is not something you can really say, cuz you don't know what I'd have done if I'd been able to access the forum.

cross with Fener.

This post has been edited by Kessobahn: 08 June 2009 - 04:34 PM

[Tellan]

Kessobahn, on Jun 8 2009, 09:33 AM, said:

You forget, I had virtually no posts on day one due to my connection being a bitch. I defended Sil because you were lynching him for no solid reason. It was meta, if it was anything. So saying I've been pushing hard from day one is not something you can really say, cuz you don't know what I'd have done if I'd been able to access the forum.

cross with Fener.

i didn't say day 1, i said post 1. i do have to hand it to you i've never in my career seen the "you don't know what I'd have done if I'd been able to access the forum" defense, that shit is hillarious.