[Liosan]

also, i'm fairly sure Game ain't cult leader. he made a huge slip earlier about which faction he's in.

I don't have tons of time right now, but i'd urge people to take a closer look at Meanas. something about his play seems iffy.

also, Tennes is annoying the hell out of me.

[D'riss]

Sorry I havent been on much today, busy visiting the girlfriend, so I havent had much time to play. Seems it was a busy night, two NK's definitely makes a change.

The focus of the day still seems to be Fener. I voted for him yesterday because he seemed to be a good candidate to be recuited, but to be honest he's gotten way more support than I would expect a recruit, or even a recruiter to have this early in the game. Now he may be one of the known members of one of the factions, so I could put my vote there again if that's how the day goes, but if the cult remains top priority, then I think maybe we should be looking somewhere else. Rashan raises an interesting point with regard to Gam, a reread of his posts may be in order.

The fact that Korlat in fact turned out to be Carnival - iirc correctly Fener drew a lot of heat after pointing fingers in Korlat's direction, it's more than likely that a lot of people who initally went after Fener are in fact in Korlat's faction, since I would imagine Carnival would be one of the known roles.

[Rashan]

Ruse, on Jun 9 2009, 05:30 PM, said:

Just catching up, but had to comment on this. All I seem to have done is talk about Fener, and I replied about my drive by to Korv. Are you both just not reading the thread or trying to paint a picture that doesn't exsist? This sort of throwaway comment really annoys me, especially when I have already explained my actions. It's either damn lazy or a deliberate and disingenuous ploy.
/rant]

\WTF are you talking about, in that post, the one I quoted, you didn't mention Fener as a person you would vote for, I can curse and scream and bicker all day about how I hate Tennes, and still not vote for him, Its called distancing. Why so outraged. Its a valid point.

Also, once again Liosan is trying to diflect attention away from Fener, that "I advise everyone to look at Meanas" comment is weak, you want us to look, make a case, otherwise, contributing to the current discussion would be more helpful.

[Gamelon]

Rashan, on Jun 9 2009, 07:21 PM, said:

Ruse, on Jun 9 2009, 05:30 PM, said:

Just catching up, but had to comment on this. All I seem to have done is talk about Fener, and I replied about my drive by to Korv. Are you both just not reading the thread or trying to paint a picture that doesn't exsist? This sort of throwaway comment really annoys me, especially when I have already explained my actions. It's either damn lazy or a deliberate and disingenuous ploy.
/rant]

\WTF are you talking about, in that post, the one I quoted, you didn't mention Fener as a person you would vote for, I can curse and scream and bicker all day about how I hate Tennes, and still not vote for him, Its called distancing. Why so outraged. Its a valid point.

Also, once again Liosan is trying to diflect attention away from Fener, that "I advise everyone to look at Meanas" comment is weak, you want us to look, make a case, otherwise, contributing to the current discussion would be more helpful.

I'm back, and again you anchor an argument based on someone who's trying not to tunnel-vision.

Although his suggestion to look at Meanas is a little puzzling.

[Gamelon]

And my point against Tennes still stands. The extent of his defense is "RL guys" which while possibly true can easily be used for a cult leader who wants to coast on by.

edit: and I'll be around intermittently for the next couple hours if someone decides to stop lurking and post.

This post has been edited by Gamelon: 09 June 2009 - 11:34 PM

[Korvalain]

Gam - what about Telas? He's got all of 7 posts. SEVEN. It's bad form to lie about real life, so I'm not inclined to just throw Tennes under the bus in case he's telling the truth. Of coures, real life doesn't mean he isn't the cult leader or a power role. Telas on the other hand has made no excuses to my knowledge - he just hasn't been on. (I suppose I should go back and look just to be sure)

Also, looking at Meanas isn't a bad thing IMO, I just wonder why Lio tosses something like that out with nary a 'why' we should look at him. I'm a fan of explanation and legwork to find the info.... As for Meanas, he started out with a good number of posts, but he's dropped off the radar recently. I suppose I'll take a look there too.

I'm still fascinated by the reluctance to lynch Fener though. I joined his train late on day 2 to get the lynch. Yesterday I waffled back and forth about voting for him and decided in the end to go with Kesso. So you can't accuse me of tunnel vision. But now that I feel he's more viable as a lynch than before, suddenly everyone's lost interest.

[Korvalain]

Went back and looked at Telas: he makes no RL excuses. He's just not posting.

Will look at Meanas (and a few others like D'riss, whom no one has brought up) in a bit, but that'll have to wait since I have to be off for a bit.

I'm sure you all can just hardly wait for my forthcoming case analysis .

[Gamelon]

Telas was online yesterday, and Tennes had seven earlier today as well when I first posted about him. I gave him a slide because he was present (2nd person to vote for kesso, in fact) but I did forget about him a little. =/

[Rashan]

Gamelon, on Jun 9 2009, 07:25 PM, said:

I'm back, and again you anchor an argument based on someone who's trying not to tunnel-vision.

Although his suggestion to look at Meanas is a little puzzling.

Welcome back. And again you need to read the post. Its not tunnel vision sure, but it is a lazy way to try and bring up a point. Having said that, I am starting to get tired of you saying I'm anchoring an argument based on whatever the hell you think I'm anchoring an argument on. You would be wrong.

[Gamelon]

Well according to PS's last update we have 25 hours left. Plenty of time, really, although it'd be nice if I wasn't alone. Where are all the other ESTers?

edit: xpost

@rashan:

This post has been edited by Gamelon: 10 June 2009 - 12:20 AM

[Rashan]

Im still here, how about responding to my post, instead of to the post I addressed to Ruse, please.

[Gamelon]

I was responding to the second paragraph, which was addressed at Liosan.

[Rashan]

Gamelon, on Jun 9 2009, 08:21 PM, said:

I was responding to the second paragraph, which was addressed at Liosan.

Ok, so how about responding to my POSTS about you.

[Gamelon]

Hmm I thought I had already but ok.

Rashan, on Jun 9 2009, 04:12 PM, said:

You know, I gotta say I find Game's play style to be very strange. I mean in a faction game with a cult thrown in, you focus totally on the cult and believe a reveal. And then commit yourself to Fener's cause by defending him so very hard. Thats a very strange way to play in a faction game, hell I wouldn't symp my leader as hard as you have even if he was about to be lynched. Add in the fact that we don't have a full CF and can never be sure if we ever hit the cult, and your play is even more out there. I just don't get it. We may have hit the cult recruiter day 1, we have no way of telling. Bad play in my opinion, because if we do lynch Fener, theres a very good chance that you would be next, because it appears you have some inside knowledge (say perhaps, you are the leader of the Heshitte (sp?) and don't want to lose a team mate, or vice versa, hes the leader)

Your reasons for defending him so dramatically make no sense in a faction game.

I'd like to point out that from what we understand of the books, it is extremely unlikely Silanah was our recruiter. Same goes for Carnival/Korlat. I'm not too sure about the two coll's shades who died, but if we assume hell is our cult then I'd doubt they are recruiters.

Half of what you're calling defending is me exploring alternate lynches instead of taking the easy lynch. In consideration of his reveal and my limited math skills, we could potentially be nearing d-day and I don't want to waste a lynch on someone I believe isn't cult.

Rashan, on Jun 9 2009, 04:17 PM, said:

Another way to look at it would be Game is the cult leader, and is fake symping a known faction member to

a. Keep that faction off of his back so he can keep recruiting
b. Get Fener lynched and get an extra night
c. Keep everyone confused and jumping at shadows

I dunno what to really say to respond to this. I suppose what you're saying could be plausible...except I'm pushing on Tennes. And have been since before this post.

edit: oh, and you're anchoring something on something else.

This post has been edited by Gamelon: 10 June 2009 - 12:28 AM

[Gamelon]

Seems I'm alone again. -.-

edit: and I've noticed that you've yet to comment on tennes at all. Hmm?

This post has been edited by Gamelon: 10 June 2009 - 12:36 AM

[Rashan]

Gamelon, on Jun 9 2009, 08:28 PM, said:

I dunno what to really say to respond to this. I suppose what you're saying could be plausible...except I'm pushing on Tennes. And have been since before this post.

edit: oh, and you're anchoring something on something else.

Took out the above, to much to scroll through, however the above is the point I am trying to make, this is a faction game first, since its obvious the only sure-fire way for us (individual factions as opposed to the cult) is to lynch until PS says stop, x wins. y,z, and w lose. Focusing all of your attention on locating cult (when you'll never know who cult was anyway) makes absolutely no sense. So I'm not playing that way, instead I am playing like there is no cult, and looking for ways to help my faction, should we accidentally lynch all of the cult members. So, lynching Fener helps my team, especially if I am right about him being a leader (not mine), bonus if hes been culted, double bonus if he's the cult recruiter. but all of these options help my team. Anchor that on the ocean floor.

[Rashan]

Gamelon, on Jun 9 2009, 08:28 PM, said:

I'd like to point out that from what we understand of the books, it is extremely unlikely Silanah was our recruiter. Same goes for Carnival/Korlat. I'm not too sure about the two coll's shades who died, but if we assume hell is our cult then I'd doubt they are recruiters.

And if I was a dick, I could point out that this might be a slip, but i won't as I see what ou meant by that. (see what I did there)?)

[Gamelon]

But following my logic, let's assume cult has recruited someone all 3 nights, they started with just a recruiter, and none of the recruits have died. That means 4 cult players alive out of 12. We lynch wrong today, someone else gets recruited, and we revert to our night 1 & 2 pattern of no nk's. That makes 5 cult and 6 non-cult. Which gives them a massive majority (unless 1 faction is still fairly intact, which would be unusual to say the least) and makes tomorrow d-day.

That's our WCS at this point. Or, even worse, someone non-cult gets nk'ed and cult wins.

[Gamelon]

Rashan, on Jun 9 2009, 08:38 PM, said:

Gamelon, on Jun 9 2009, 08:28 PM, said:

I'd like to point out that from what we understand of the books, it is extremely unlikely Silanah was our recruiter. Same goes for Carnival/Korlat. I'm not too sure about the two coll's shades who died, but if we assume hell is our cult then I'd doubt they are recruiters.

And if I was a dick, I could point out that this might be a slip, but i won't as I see what ou meant by that. (see what I did there)?)

Of course, in that situation the "our" would also imply the inclusion of you, the one I'm having this discussion with.

[Rashan]

Gamelon, on Jun 9 2009, 08:40 PM, said:

But following my logic, let's assume cult has recruited someone all 3 nights, they started with just a recruiter, and none of the recruits have died. That means 4 cult players alive out of 12. We lynch wrong today, someone else gets recruited, and we revert to our night 1 & 2 pattern of no nk's. That makes 5 cult and 6 non-cult. Which gives them a massive majority (unless 1 faction is still fairly intact, which would be unusual to say the least) and makes tomorrow d-day.

That's our WCS at this point. Or, even worse, someone non-cult gets nk'ed and cult wins.

Not really, it would be if we got a full CF, but we don't. So if we play like you are suggesting, every day is D-day, and we don't do anything but vote off likely cult, which would have to include our own faction mates, and risk losing that way. My way, involves watching for one, but if oportunity presents itself to lynch the leader of a faction that is not mine, I will take that any day of the week, over leaving him alive and risk my own team mate getting lynched as a possible cult recruit.