[Telas]

Emurlahn, on Jun 15 2009, 12:01 AM, said:

*snip*
Bleh. I'm seriously lost now. The two votes for Meanas came in quick succession, making me think Telas is trying to symp Lio, and thus push a lynch onto Lio, or perhaps he's just following to avoid being called out as the instigator and to up his participation rating.
*snip*

Yes, you clearly haven't done that reread yet, or you would have seen my vote on Meanas until day-end for the past two days. I'm not symping or following anybody you silly, silly man.

[Liosan]

yes, get it right, Emur.
I'm clearly symping Telas,

wait, was that out loud?

This post has been edited by Liosan: 15 June 2009 - 04:22 AM

[Liosan]

It would appear that once again, my humour scares away all the anons.

I'll be heading to bed now.
I expect to be back in 7-9 hours. I expect HP will continue his hounding of me upon his return, so I ask that you not lynch whilst I sleep.

good night, all.

[Rashan]

Meh, Im tired of this game

Vote Meanas

Its 2 am here and I want this game over.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 8. 28 hours and 10 minutes remaining

9 Players still alive: Emurlahn, Hood's Path, Korvalain, Liosan, Meanas, Rashan, Ruse, Telas, Tennes

5 votes to lynch, 5 votes to go to night

3 votes for Meanas: ( Liosan, Telas, Rashan )

Players not voted: Emurlahn, Hood's Path, Korvalain, Meanas, Ruse, Tennes

[Path-Shaper]

PB out for the night... maybe Venge can take over, or Lish if ever wants to mod his own game.

[Hood's Path]

Ruse, on Jun 12 2009, 03:19 PM, said:

Hood's Path, on Jun 12 2009, 11:36 AM, said:

Emurlahn, on Jun 12 2009, 01:47 AM, said:

Well, you could assume that Ruse is my leader and I'm trying to derail. But that would lead me to assume that Rashan is your leader, so you know he can't be recruited and so must be trustworthy, to an extent.
What I am curious about, HP, is how you know that higher ups in the chain can't be recruited...or are you assuming that? Because I certainly don't know if a leader can be recruited or not.



I am perfectly willing to vote Ruse. Except that I feel Rashan is leading us all too quickly. Did you ever consider that he could actually be the cult?

Well ofcourse nothing is certain
I am just guessing that leaders cant be recruited. There needs to be some limitations to the cult and that is the obvious one.
But, You are getting it all backwards here, i trust rashan is not in cult because of his actions. Its clear that rashan has not been recruited. He has pushed for both Gamelon and feners lynches and they both were cult. No cult member would do that.

Was he recruited lastnight? maybe...maybe not. Thats all WIFOM stuff that i would rather not get into as it gets us nowhere.
Doesnt make his case on Ruse any less valid now does it?
Regardless of whether i trust rashan or not his case is pretty damn good...and worth a look in my opinion.
I cant now go jumping at everything thinking that this person or that person could have been recruited.
I am taking cases at face value.

Hood's Path, on Jun 12 2009, 11:43 AM, said:

The thing is...
I have shouted just as loud for fener and then probably even more so for gamelons lynches than what rashan has.
So now that you come out and single rashan out for his case and saying he is taking control of the game is rather interesting.

If anything you should be scared of me leading the game...but instead you say rashan is.
I made the initial case yesterday that got gamelon lynched, not rashan....so i dont really buy your thinking that rashan is leading the sheep.
There seems to be another agenda behind your actions.

The above are HP doing a stirling job of defending Rashan, there is at least one more as well, I think. No votes on him mind, so why such spirited defence? Seems very odd after Rashan built a case on HP early on. And I can't remember Rashan mentioning HP for quite a while. Could it be that HP recruited Rashan?

Vote Hood's Path

I know he's not here to defend himself, but I am sure SKS will look after him.

You have taken these posts out of context....very clever indeed.

You forgot to mention that at this time emurlahn was accusing me of of following rashan without considering him to be cult.
All i was saying here, is how i cannot see rashan being cult because of his actions up till this point.

I am not defending rashan, i am explaining to emurlhan why i can trust rashan is not cult more so than most.
There is an inherent difference.

[Hood's Path]

i realize im behind...so just catching folks...bare with me

[Korvalain]

Meanas, on Jun 14 2009, 07:45 PM, said:

Heshette Tribesman, huh? Well I guess that makes it more likely that Fener was recruited - his story might well have initially been valid.

Liosan, on Jun 14 2009, 06:55 PM, said:

vote Meanas

seriously, my gut's been screaming to do this for five days now.

I thought you said you weren't playing on gut?

Liosan, on Jun 12 2009, 08:23 PM, said:

also: Meanas, if I was playing gut, i'd be voting for you for the last 3 days, because everytime you post I feel i'm missing something.

however, I'm not playing gut.
which is why i'm sticking with my vote.

I believe you did.


Looks to me as though you've decided to pounce on the last thing to come up the night before. You get Telas on it too, you've got two votes already and you might get something going out of desperation. You suddenly decided not to chase cult anymore? Seems to me given the CF on D'riss we should still be scouring for a recruiter. Especially since we lynched D'riss for claiming that we didn't need to look for cult anymore.

Or do you think I'm the recruiter for some reason? And if you do, care to give me something besides 'gut' to go on so I can actually have a go at responding to you?

This is some erratic shit right here. I can't lay a vote down in return, because you'd call it OMGUS and label me cultscum. But it looks mighty suspicious to me.

This is quite the "woe is me" post.

There's not much to the Meanas case in the end - except I can't fit Meanas into any of my theories. Maybe that's why he's bugging people - he doesn't quite...fit. I originally speculated that Telas and Meanas were likely teammates, but then Telas' case came out of no where to blow that theory away.

Vote Meanas

[Korvalain]

Big cross post with HP.

[Ruse]

I think we are all suffering game fatigue.

@HP - I wouldn't worry, everyone ignored my case anyway!

I'll be here for a little while to hammer if required. Given the amount of time left there might be things people want to discuss? Don't ask me what, but jic.

[Hood's Path]

I dunno now.

My initial feeling right after Gamelons lynch was that liosan was an excellent place to carry on and try to finish off the cult.
Then rashan came out with a pretty decent case on ruse, one that to my money was better than the "feelings" i got initially from liosan.

But then it turned out that the ruses case was not 100% correct. But Now that ive gone over the case, even not being correct, it is still pretty plausible that he could be cult if you factor in the corrections if you ask me.
I CLEARLY stated that i would like to see one of either Ruse or Liosan lynched, i voted liosan because of gut it could ahve just as easily been a vote on ruse.
Now the way ruse has come out and handled his defense is somewhat disturbing to me. He has clearly come out with a OMGUS case against myself and Rashan. When he was asked about this he said that its not OMGUS because i am voting liosan.
But it was VERY clear that i would have voted him OR liosan. So it most definitely is OMGUS.
I think he is trying to nip the threat to him in the but...by grouping myself and rashan as cult and trying to get rid of us as a result.
The two who have been the biggest threat to cult so far.

Did he forget that we were the guys shouting the loudest for fener and gamelons lynch?...doubt it.
He must realize that this is the basis for my trusting rashan, and perhaps the reason rashan has not pursued his initial case on myself as cult is because he see's that i am also less likely to be cult because of my actions.

Why do ruse and rashan completely ignore the case that we have put forward on them respectively?
Instead ruse wants to label myself and rashan as cult all of the sudden?
WTF?

[Hood's Path]

Ruse, on Jun 15 2009, 12:53 AM, said:

I think we are all suffering game fatigue.

@HP - I wouldn't worry, everyone ignored my case anyway!

I'll be here for a little while to hammer if required. Given the amount of time left there might be things people want to discuss? Don't ask me what, but jic.

Thats not the point.

The point is your OMGUS attitude is rather alarming.
Could just be you dont want to die, but could also mean you want o get rid of the guys that have been effectively hunting the cult.

[Hood's Path]

Having said all this, i do find the meanas case intriguing.
Especially since we now know for sure there is a heshette tribe in this game, we can only assume that both fener and gamelon, (perhaps morso fener) could very well have been recruits

[Hood's Path]

Ruse, on Jun 15 2009, 12:53 AM, said:

I think we are all suffering game fatigue.

yea the lack of NK's is really sucking the life out of this game.

I was pretty surprised to see a "0 new messages" when i came back today.
Ive rocked the boat quite a bit and was thinking i could easily be dead by the time i come back.

I really dont like the new clock carrying on ticking thing, because 2 days go by while i am away. and i have 0 influence on proceedings.
If you freeze the clock you can still lynch to end days but i dont get that "free ride" wich is what seems to be coming up allot, as you can symply wait for me to come back without ever worrying about the day ending and not getting a lynch.

I vote we go back to the old system, i think it works better.

[Hood's Path]

how many votes is that?

Is it L-1 already?


jeeezus

[Ruse]

Or it could be I don't understand how one day Rashan is gunnng for you and then you are defending him, whilst he virtually ignores you. The arguments you lay at my door are equally valid pointed toward you, especially the way you are stetching the OMGUS angle to Rashan's argument. You are saying the same as Rashan...I can't make a case because you might have decided to vote me. So we are back to you and Rashan ordering how the game should be played. I really don't like that.

You accused me of taking posts out of context, well I didn't, but Rashan certainly did. All I want one of you to admit is that you are faction not cult hunting.


Edit: Bleh, lots of cross posts.

This post has been edited by Ruse: 15 June 2009 - 08:09 AM

[Hood's Path]

Ruse, on Jun 15 2009, 01:08 AM, said:

Or it could be I don't understand how one day Rashan is gunnng for you and then you are defending him, whilst he virtually ignores you. The arguments you lay at my door are equally valid pointed toward you, especially the way you are stetching the OMGUS angle to Rashan's argument. You are saying the same as Rashan...I can't make a case because you might have decided to vote me. So we are back to you and Rashan ordering how the game should be played. I really don't like that.

You accused me of taking posts out of context, well I didn't, but Rashan certainly did. All I want one of you to admit is that you are faction not cult hunting.


Edit: Bleh, lots of cross posts.

Ok....actually its easy to understand why we would act like this towards each other, as i have explained.
We were the driving force behind getting both fener and Gamelon lynched. Both ended up being ....cult

Rahsan accused me of being cult on day one. I pushed cases that ended up getting cult. So why would he carry on with his case of me being cult then?
There is no denying that liosan said a few funny things about gamelon before he was confirmed cult. Things that would seem to indicate that gamelon must have been duped or some such. There is clear indication that liosan could have been down playing gamelons involvement in protecting fener.
Why havent you bothered to look into this? Are you two team mates? Are you certain he has not been recruited?

But You just want us to "admit that we are faction hunting?"
WTF?
Are you not faction hunting? I am 1stly cult hunting but factions is a factor ofcourse. This is a merc game too.
The problem is that i must always hunt Cult hunt first. I dont know that someone i think is in my faction hasnt been recruited? So i cant give anyone i think is in the same faction as myself a free pass.
Ofcourse if soemone i feel is not in my faction AND that person has a decent shot at being cult then its a much better lynch for my team.
But if i feel a potential team mate has been recruited that mutha is going down just as fast.

[Hood's Path]

Another thing i have realized.
In the past, ive seen cult where you get the option of either recruiting someone or killing someone.

Perhaps the lack of night kills is down to the cult trying to recruit, first bolster their numbers before taking more people out?

[Ruse]

Look, I saw something I thought was suspicious and I pursued it. But what really concerned me was the inference that because Rashan had a case on me I wasn't permitted to look elsewhere, nor was I supposed to defend myself. You have to see that would make me push harder, and if it was to the detriment at looking at for any other cases then so be it.

At this moment I have no idea about anyone, there simply isn't enough info. We started off in the dark about our factions and the recruiter has made it so I can't trust anyone.

That said, I have to go out for a while. But I will be back!