[Hood's Path]

And we have a reveal.
Doesnt really help your case meanas, revealing guard is one of the safest things to reveal as there is no was you can prove it so we cant ask you to do so.
On the other hand a guard is pretty damn valuable on this game and if your in my faction id want you around.

[Korvalain]

Meanas, on Jun 15 2009, 09:51 AM, said:

Korvalain, on Jun 15 2009, 07:57 AM, said:

Emurlahn, on Jun 15 2009, 05:54 AM, said:

Well, I'm heading off to bed now. No way am I voting just yet - not with more than 24 hours left in the day. I kind of want to vote Meanas just to end the damn game, but that would be...silly and impulsive.

I will be back on in 8 hours. Willing to hammer then if the votes haven't swung, or if no-one else has. But I still want to look elsewhere...even though I haven't had time to do that today.

Well, I'm back. Not much happened obviously.

Does this underlined part mean you're party to some kind of endgame information? Mafia paranoia maybe, but stuff like that makes me nervous.

Yeah, that sounds kind of bad to me...

Vote Emurlahn

Ok, this just seems like you're impulsively grasping for something. You've been voting for other people before this, but you decide to latch on to something I said instead of following your own lines of reasoning from before.

Also, in retrospect, if Emurlahn really knew the gig was up and wanted to hammer and just end it all, he would/could have done so! Instead he went to bed.

Between what Telas said and this, I'm inclined not to believe you at this point.

Edit: cross post with HP

This post has been edited by Korvalain: 15 June 2009 - 02:16 PM

[Meanas]

Telas, on Jun 15 2009, 10:08 AM, said:

Meanas, on Jun 13 2009, 09:49 PM, said:

Ruse, on Jun 13 2009, 05:55 PM, said:

July eh? Which year?

Seriously, do you think it's the lack of night kills that have slowed it down? If so, do you think any killers are now dead, or are there some super smart other roles? Or is that all irrelevant?

The lack of NKs definitely stretches out the game. If there had been one a night, we'd be down to what, 6 players now? And in the endgame people have to plead their cases a bit harder. As for the reasons why there aren't any, I have no idea. Seems unlikely that it's just tons of guards and healers though, because you'd expect them to have got it wrong a few times by now...probably some kind of odd mechanic in play. My understanding of the books leads me to believe that Carnival was a killer, so we're likely to be one down after Korlat's death, but you'd still expect some deaths at night by this point. Probably some kind of weird mechanic in play regarding the kills, not going to try to guess what it is because the possibilities are pretty much limitless.

So this is just a random quote of Meanas complaining about the lack of NKs and the length of the game. I gotta wonder why at this point you're even putting in guards every night. If I were a guard, I think I would have stopped a few nights ago in the hopes of speeding up the game, since the act of guarding gets you zero information from one night to the next when there are never any kills. It gives you *some* control of the game if you don't guard you leader and you expect him to make good decisions with his night actions, but then, if your list is truthful, you've pretty much just pointed to your leader. I mean, it's not me, and the only other people you haven't blocked are Liosan and Emur. Emur's the more likely choice as he came to your defense after Lio's and my vote today (I believe it said in the setup that even leaders are given the name of someone in their faction, so it's plausible that he knows who you are). Or you could be a leader yourself and just not blocked the other power role on your team (again, probably Emur).

Also, I just wanted to point out, for what it's worth, that if I were to make a fake list of people I have supposedly guarded over the nights, I'm not sure I could come up with a better one. You've got a big string of names of people who are still alive (plus Korlat on a night with no kills to add credibility) in the hopes of getting lucky and somebody actually having their action fail on the night you listed them. Given the lack of killing at night, I can only assume there are definitely people having failed actions, but I don't think it's necessarily due to guarding.

You think putting in a big list of people is hoping I got lucky? If I picked someone who happened to have a NA that went through the night I guarded them, then my reveal is down the toilet. If I were lying, it would have been in my interest to claim I stopped guarding a while back to reduce my chances of hitting someone who would know I wasn't telling the truth.

And there is no reason for me to stop guarding people. The game is slow, yes, but the high TMDI implies to me that there are a lot of people around with NAs, even if most of them happen behind the scenes. And there are more players who are not in my faction than are, so the odds are good that I'm not hurting my own team.

[Meanas]

Korvalain, on Jun 15 2009, 10:15 AM, said:

Meanas, on Jun 15 2009, 09:51 AM, said:

Korvalain, on Jun 15 2009, 07:57 AM, said:

Emurlahn, on Jun 15 2009, 05:54 AM, said:

Well, I'm heading off to bed now. No way am I voting just yet - not with more than 24 hours left in the day. I kind of want to vote Meanas just to end the damn game, but that would be...silly and impulsive.

I will be back on in 8 hours. Willing to hammer then if the votes haven't swung, or if no-one else has. But I still want to look elsewhere...even though I haven't had time to do that today.

Well, I'm back. Not much happened obviously.

Does this underlined part mean you're party to some kind of endgame information? Mafia paranoia maybe, but stuff like that makes me nervous.

Yeah, that sounds kind of bad to me...

Vote Emurlahn

Ok, this just seems like you're impulsively grasping for something. You've been voting for other people before this, but you decide to latch on to something I said instead of following your own lines of reasoning from before.

Also, in retrospect, if Emurlahn really knew the gig was up and wanted to hammer and just end it all, he would/could have done so! Instead he went to bed.

Between what Telas said and this, I'm inclined not to believe you at this point.

Edit: cross post with HP

I have to grasp at something, don't I? If another train doesn't develop, I'm gone for sure, and I'd prefer that not to happen if possible . But you make a good point about Emurlahn having the option of hammering if he knew the end of the game was nigh. I hadn't thought of that...

Remove Vote

[Telas]

Looking back, I feel I need to clarify the actual point of my last post:

Scenario 1: Meanas was 100% truthful in his reveal. This is incredibly stupid on his part, in my opinion, as the only real information it gives us is to narrow down who the leader of his faction is.

Scenario 2: Meanas is lying. He could be lying in a small way, like, by actually putting the name of his leader (if he even has one) in his list even though he didn't guard him, but I really don't see how that's much better than the whole thing being a fabrication, since the gift of "information" is pretty much thrown out the window if we accept that any one of the names on the list could be made up.

And the fact that he just put down a vote on Emur could really be reinforcing either scenario, as it could be distancing or incentive. Maybe he hoped that we would realize his fake-reveal pointed to Emur being a leader.

edit: crosspost with a remove vote...hmm...

This post has been edited by Telas: 15 June 2009 - 02:32 PM

[Hood's Path]

I have to go...ill leave my vote off im not sire what to do after this reveal and im sure we can get a lynch if need be.

[Korvalain]

Wait, if fake, you'd be guessing if someone's night actions went through or not for your reveal? The only night we've had ANY action is the night when Tellan and Korlat died. The only other actions that might have gone through where someone might know they had been blocked would be cult recruiting, and whoever THAT is, they are NOT going to counter reveal...

[Liosan]

very true, Korv. the only way to catch him out if he's lying is for a power role to counter. I don't think anyone's likely to be willing to out themselves like that at this stage of the game.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 8. 20 hours and 12 minutes remaining

9 Players still alive: Emurlahn, Hood's Path, Korvalain, Liosan, Meanas, Rashan, Ruse, Telas, Tennes

5 votes to lynch, 5 votes to go to night

4 votes for Meanas: ( Liosan, Telas, Rashan, Korvalain )

Players not voted: Emurlahn, Hood's Path, Meanas, Ruse, Tennes

[Meanas]

Korvalain, on Jun 15 2009, 10:33 AM, said:

Wait, if fake, you'd be guessing if someone's night actions went through or not for your reveal? The only night we've had ANY action is the night when Tellan and Korlat died. The only other actions that might have gone through where someone might know they had been blocked would be cult recruiting, and whoever THAT is, they are NOT going to counter reveal...

Well, presumably there will be faction finders and the like around as well, and they would know if their actions didn't go through. They're not going to reveal outright of course, but don't you think they'd be willing to drop a vote if I was lying?

[Liosan]

what faction finders?
we weren' teen given the names of our factions, lol

[Meanas]

Liosan, on Jun 15 2009, 10:37 AM, said:

what faction finders?
we weren' teen given the names of our factions, lol

That doesn't mean there can't be players with finder-like abilities. You usually have something like that in a Merc game, do you not? Maybe not something that determines the faction of the targetted player, but I could imagine a role that can find the role of a targetted player, or tells you when you've targetted someone in particular...

[Liosan]

umm.
to be honest, only finder like roles I remeber in merc games, are either faction finders (as in Rome game), or leader finders (as in mafia 6.66)

or a Cicero.
but if Lish put a Cicero in this game, I will have to hunt him down and kill him.

[Meanas]

We'd have seen a Cicero if Lish put one in by now, surely?

[Liosan]

unless he's been blocked by someone, lol

[Rashan]

Here and catching up

[Liosan]

5 people on, i'm impressed.

[Meanas]

Yeah, it's a pretty good turn out .

And now, I need to go and get some work done. I'll be back later (or not, if you decide to lynch me...)

[Rashan]

Well, shit. Thats alot of info to absorb. Bah, I think I'll go back o my original choice and let the rest of you figure it out. I'm burnt out.

Im leaving my vote on Meanas, because I am fried in my brain. I would rather lynch Ruse, because Im tired of his whining and the love-fest between him and HP was just plain wierd, anyway, Im here for a while. If anyone wants to discuss lynching Ruse, lol

[Rashan]

SO PS, wanna cyber? No one else is here it seems...