[drinksinbars]

shin should have jumped into telas and then told morgo45 to withhold then clear fener tomorrow when only one night kill. it would have ci'ed both and he could have won tomorrow ngiht. as is driss is a strong candidate for the nk and ruse is in serious water.

[Path-Shaper]

D'riss said:

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Shin has chosen you.

Remenber Tennes is still with the innos, but you two can still discuss off-thread as before



Ruse is Uncle Ben. You can't talk off-thread with him, but he will know who you are.

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK

I forgot to add Shin's message when he originally chose you:

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I had a feeling I'd get chosen simply because I'm acting smart enough to fool people but still DAMN. It's pretty much a crapshoot to win. I'm still reading up (not even sure if BB was Telas or Game at this point) but I think I got plenty of time on the night timer.

[Path-Shaper]

More from new BB:

D'riss said:

Man, this is annoying. I can pretty much ensure that I don't get vigged tonight and all vigs are wasted, but then I gotta lie to my partner with whom I had such a close bond.

It goes without saying that based on the current reveals, I HAVE to kill Telas tonight. If Fener vigs me, it's game over anyway. I suspect he's going to vig Ruse which means I was just handled a monumental fucking task to win this game, lol.

No action submitted yet just because I need Tennes to confirm so it doesn't look suspicious.

[Knucklehead]

Ahhh, the game has picked up since I was last able to post. Yay. You know, Shin, the night I revealed I was tempted to guard you. I changed my mind last minute because I convinced myself Gamelon wouldn't be killer 2 games in a row, but I forgot about Princess Bride. *sigh*

[Path-Shaper]

Peanut keeps pondering:

D'riss said:

Man, my ENTIRE strategy has had to change. I have to continue to act innocent which is why I posted my 'analysis.' The real issue is 1) Fener's vig was probably going to hit me which would have meant game over so I 2) CI'd myself from being UB by pointing to a partnership with Tennes but in the process I 3) have probably doomed Ruse to a swift death because Fener already thought he was UB.

It's 5-2 right now after the lynch. If Fener vigs Ruse it's 5-1 after the night kill. Ideally Fener will vig Liosan or Silanah (Sil has looked suspicious all damn game, too). Since Telas is now CI for being UB or the original BB, everyone knows that whoever UB is, he intentionally withheld silence yesterday. If I can help guide a case toward Silanah (he DID finger me and now I can prove I'm not UB, could use that to turn it in his face), can Ruse SMARTLY not silence for the rest of the game and tag along as a PI, or would he silence someone to just mock them for getting the vig wrong? Which would be more beneficial to our team (namely, ME).

If Fener does vig Ruse, I have two nights to win (3-1, 1-1), although I suspect town will throw a night vote in there to make it go (3-1, 2-1) so they have a slightly better chance of winning. Of course, I could withhold my kill to force them to pick at 4, but UGH it's a mess.

If I can somehow save Ruse and Fener vigs someone like Sil, then it's 4-2 and it is D-Day.

Huge, huge, huge burden.

And to his lover:

D'riss said:

Tennes said:

D'riss said:

They think one of us UB. I realize now that BB has shifted, you have no more reason to trust me than I have reason to trust you, BUT we didn't reveal yet. We need to lynch UB tomorrow or have Fener try to vig him tonight.

Since I know that I am not BB, I am going to launch the plan and math and hopefully you can confirm so we can correctly figure out who to lynch tomorrow (need to lynch one of Lio/Ruse/Sil tomorrow, then one of you/me/Fener the next day although Fener's vig may help us narrow that pool down).

Fuck, just got on and catching up....No idea what you're talking about but I can code soon if you need.

We're okay, but Fener was thinking of vigging one of us (I think me) as UB. I posted the 'logic train' and said you were my partner. Just need you to post the code and I'll decrypt or vice versa. Let me know when you're ready.

[Path-Shaper]

I agree he had no choice to "screw" Ruse by revealing and narrowing the possibilities of UB, otherwise he might have gotten the vig.

Let's see what Bent does.

[Kurt Montandon]

Well, I guess there's some poetic justice in PB actually becoming scum ...

And I wonder how long it's going to take for someone to point out that being CI'd because you have a partner doesn't count after BB has shifted. Telas would be wise to investigate D'riss again, which of course won't happen.

[Path-Shaper]

More lover convo:

D'riss said:

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Right, I'm just going to assume that you are still inno, I dont have the time to WIFOM every little thing you send me. It would be really awesome if Gam shifted into lio sil or ruse and gets vigged tonight, but that's hoping for way too much. The tough thing is we cant know for sure if Fener hits UB. As nice as the fact that Fener has a vig is, he maybe shouldn't have revealed it. Two kills tonight would have CI'd Fener quite nicely. Now that the killer knows about that he can withold to WIFOM the shit out of us, since just one kill puts us at D-Day anyway

lol, you're so nice to assume I'm inno. I'm going to do the same for you for one simple reason: We didn't reveal before the lynch so it seems less likely that BB would have known we knew UB was one of three people.

Agreed we have no way of knowing if Fener hits UB. With D-Day tomorrow (assuming 1 OR 2 kills, neither one a vig on UB), it's a huge decision. Why couldn't we have found Gamelon earlier? That avatar is always fucking scum.

And his NK:

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Well at this point I pretty much have a few options.

I'm PRETTY sure Fener doesn't have his vig in, but if he did it would probably be on me. Since he knows I was posting my proof, I'd imagine he'd withdraw any vig he may have had in just to make sure he could really get a vig on a better UB candidate.

Telas probably as a provisional find in. No clue on whom, wouldn't be surprised if it was me or Silanah.

Both of them don't want to show their hands, but both don't seem comfortable with the idea of ending night and possibly having a collision on their abilities. So it seems likely that one of them will reveal their target.

If Fener reveals, I could easily double-up his target or withhold just to get him suspected, but that throws off my math. People will probably think it's just as likely that the killer withheld as Fener is the killer.

Is Telas reveals and it's not me, I could just ignore him to let him get suspicion.

However, what if either of them lie? Telas could investigate someone he thinks is NOT scum and then tomorrow reveal he actually investigated someone else. Fener could claim a vig on someone and then vig someone ELSE to try and prove he's innocent when there are two kills (one on his target, and he claims his vig on the second target). The second night kill will CI Fener and having CIs at this stage of the game is bad bad bad for scum.

BUT, once the vig is used, Fener is just a vote. Telas, on the other hand, is still a huge huge threat because if he finds me AND Ruse gets vigged, even if Telas is lynched instead of me, I'm next and town wins.

Nobody else is worth the kill, I think, including my partner, who is going to assume I'm innocent. I'll take the risk that I don't slip up with him.

I'm gambling that the vig isn't in yet because this will end night, but....

KILL TELAS My condolences mate, your reveal was good.

Tomorrow, CI Fener has got to go.

[Path-Shaper]

Poor Telas keeps changing his mind:

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Fener.
For not saying who he was vigging on thread.

He said it's so he can't be framed if only one kill.

This is basically an early excuse for if there is.

Not saying makes his case WORSE for being framed, since he's easier to frame if only one kill and he doesn't say.

[Path-Shaper]

OK, the moment of truth:

Fener said:

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Hi Bent,

Start thinking about confirming a night action.

You don't have a provisional, so this is not to rush you, but make sure you send it before leaving for a long time.

JA

I should be on most of the day, I just want to make sure we have all of our bases covered. Pretty much comes down to Silanah and Ruse. Game attacked Liosan pretty hard earlier, so I dont think he's UB. Leaning hevily towards Ruse, but I need to hear back from Telas first, to confirm he has his provisional in.

Fener said:

Ruse....50/50 shot in my eyes.

If i am wrong, sorry. lol

Poor PB:

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Please don't have killed Ruse. Please don't have killed Ruse. Please don't have killed Ruse.

Sorry

Seems the two scums forgot about the CF, they should have gone at each other a bit stronger, specially since they knew each other.

Oh, well. I'll activate Ruse's silencing of Silanah, it's a night action so it still goes through.

[Path-Shaper]

Well, I'm guessing today they'll have no choice but to go for one of the RI, Liosan or Silanah, out of UB paranoia

Nobody inno has a night action, only Fener is CI, so he should die next night, and it will come down to the last day with 3 players.

Awesome

[Path-Shaper]

From D'riss:

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Sixty, you finally got to be something other than RI lynched on Day 1. Sorry I couldn't do crap to save you and now I have to have 2 perfect days to win!

Grief, well-played. Hope you enjoyed my spam this game. I see now why you said you argued with Grief in a previous game.

I wish I weren't BB this game but I had to take you out because it was just too weighted down against you.

Note to self: Should I fake being silenced to try and get one of Liosan or Silanah lynched or would it appear too obvious I'm faking because would UB really make it obvious he's still alive on D-Day and give his team only a 50/50 shot of winning today? Probably should just play it normally.

[Path-Shaper]

Big Ben keeping is smooth with his lover:

D'riss said:

We're still alive but the finder got killed. Fener is CI now, too because there were two kills last night. If we're still to believe each other, that means Sil or Lio are the scum. If not, it means I have to also suspect you =/

[Path-Shaper]

By the way, is it clear enough that UB's silencing is a night action and that as such it still went through even though he got vigged?

[Sixty]

FUCKKKKK

reading up.

[Path-Shaper]

Well, I clarified in case. I think it's only fair.

Already a prov:

D'riss said:

Kill Fener. Yes he's CId but it won't do him any good today with 4 possible scum. Telas was just too much of a risk to let live if Ruse died (which he did) because he could have forced a stand-off between himself and myself and then town wins because they get 2 days to get it right.

[Sixty]

 Mentalist, on May 13 2009, 10:26 PM, said:

lol

we need to have a simple 3-way merc game, so that people can get all that symping out of their system

The Locke Lamora mini I'll have mid-juneish will be 3-way merc with a 4th person going solo. D:

[Sixty]

Hmmm well I don't think I did too bad for my first game as symp. A shame we didn't clinch a victory, but hopefully PB can pull through for us.

edit:

also, great game...had lots of fun!
Symp is now my new favorite role.

This post has been edited by Sixty: 21 May 2009 - 07:16 PM

[Path-Shaper]

2 PMs and I'm off.

Both from D'riss:

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Liosan hasn't been on in a while. Unless Tennes think he's lurking, Tennes is going to know it's me.

I guess I don't have to kill Fener because he's CI and 4 is the same as 3. I could POSSIBLY get suspicion on Liosan if we lynch Sil and Lio hasn't been online to put a kill in.

Fuck this is nuts. Going to risk it.

New Provisional -- Don't kill anybody

I'm guessing he's afraid of a speed-lynch. Since he has the only night action, he doesn't really need this kind of provisional.

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I always dig my own stupid holes as scum. This sucks.

[Vengeance]

Peanut needs to lay off a little. He has laid out his logic well. It is going to be really hard for them to disagree with it. Now he needs to let Fener back him down a little bit. At the very least agree with Fener that they should wait for everyone to get one before they lynch.