[Malaese]

Yeah I should have said reveal dependent provisional. It causes two problems. First, it's subjective what constitutes a reveal. Second, all killer provisionals are going to become: If Z reveals healer or guard kill them, If Y reveals healer or guard kill them, If X reveals healer or guard kill them, if nobody reveals kill A, if A is lynched kill B.

[Path-Shaper]

Malaese, on May 19 2009, 02:59 PM, said:

Yeah I should have said reveal dependent provisional. It causes two problems. First, it's subjective what constitutes a reveal. Second, all killer provisionals are going to become: If Z reveals healer or guard kill them, If Y reveals healer or guard kill them, If X reveals healer or guard kill them, if nobody reveals kill A, if A is lynched kill B.

There should, in the future, be limits on NA contingencies. Say, two at the most (in addition to the original provisional), and they can only be predicated upon lynches, nothing else.

[Vengeance]

Path-Shaper, on May 19 2009, 02:54 PM, said:

Malaese, on May 19 2009, 02:59 PM, said:

Yeah I should have said reveal dependent provisional. It causes two problems. First, it's subjective what constitutes a reveal. Second, all killer provisionals are going to become: If Z reveals healer or guard kill them, If Y reveals healer or guard kill them, If X reveals healer or guard kill them, if nobody reveals kill A, if A is lynched kill B.

There should, in the future, be limits on NA contingencies. Say, two at the most (in addition to the original provisional), and they can only be predicated upon lynches, nothing else.

I third this new rule....

[Sir Thursday]

Path-Shaper, on May 19 2009, 08:54 PM, said:

Malaese, on May 19 2009, 02:59 PM, said:

Yeah I should have said reveal dependent provisional. It causes two problems. First, it's subjective what constitutes a reveal. Second, all killer provisionals are going to become: If Z reveals healer or guard kill them, If Y reveals healer or guard kill them, If X reveals healer or guard kill them, if nobody reveals kill A, if A is lynched kill B.

There should, in the future, be limits on NA contingencies. Say, two at the most (in addition to the original provisional), and they can only be predicated upon lynches, nothing else.

I don't think it's something that needs to have a hard and fast regulation about it though. As long as whoever is running the game makes it clear to what extent they'll accept provisionals, that should be OK, surely?


Sir Thursday

[Gem Windcaster]

Finally back in here! Not much happening though...

[Tapper]

well, all in all, it is the player's job to send in a provisional that works, not the mod's job to sort through all kind of contingencies, clauses and paragraphs and then get told they did it wrong, with the player asking for a modkill immediately after 'because they were screwed.' Mind you, this doom scenario is likely to happen. I predict somewhere next game.

Tapper, positivist

Personally, for simplicity's sake, I'd say the one contingency that's acceptable is 'if X gets lynched, target Y, but if X lives, target Z'.

[Path-Shaper]

Logged in briefly to check for messages etc...none, and only one (i think) post since last P-S update...I am teh redundant mod!

- bwgan (at least Lucy can't follow me in here...the first person to give her access to SH will be on my list...you know which list ).

[Mentalist]

drinksinbars, on May 19 2009, 06:17 AM, said:

Path-Shaper, on May 19 2009, 11:02 AM, said:

Hmmm, not sure where this discussion is headed.

On one hand, there's nothing wrong about players discussing time stamps of posts and edits, since that info is available on thread.

On the other hand, the rules say it's forbidden to edit except to correct grammar and spelling, which is impossible to enforce since I don't think PS can check what the edit was about. In a way, it's the player that edits that should be careful that this editing does not cause the troubles Bubba is currently having.


But then again, if he gets annoyed and asks for a modkill, I'm not sure what to do.

JA

used to be you could check what was edited as ps had full mod rights, but someone, ment i think, abused the power of mod and it was stripped away.

huh?
what did I do now?

oh, and LIES!!!!

[Malaese]

6 hours to lynch? Good chance of hitting another weekend....

[Mentalist]

meh, forum will probably crash and they'll get another extension.

also, I doubt they'll lynch Ruse just yet--not enugh people are suspicious of him.

[Path-Shaper]

OK, it's night. Let's see if there are some provs in the mailbox

The vigs:

Fener said:

So I am really not liking Gamelon right now. He makes a case, doesn't vote, then says it was to get Lio's reaction, and still, doesn't vote! Kinda middle of the road. Maybe I am wrong about Ruse. What do you think, lynch Ruse, if he's inno, vig Gamelon? Or vice versa, you could make a case against Gamelon and I'll switch, then if he comes up inno, we vig Ruse? Let me know what you think.

Alt guesses

Lio is Bubba (he said ass in one of his posts,thats his tell, well, that and being a total douche).
D'riss is Mentalist (he said something about a bus, Ment is the only one wo rides the bus in our timezone)
Ruse is Peanutbutta (way too smooth)
I dont remember who else is playing...oh wait
Sil is DK (given)
Gamelon is Dibs (total guess)
Tennes is (no idea whos playin and whos still alive)
Theres one more (Korlat?) shit , the ninth and not knowing who the hell it is makes me nervous!

Sorry, a little drunk, good day at work, means good night of drinks.

Nothing there, let's wait for them to come back.

[Path-Shaper]

Some thoughts from D'riss to his lover:

D'riss said:

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I had a dream last night that I was unable to sleep. So I went to check the Malaz forums and boom, there had been a lynch on someone (innocent, can't remember who), and I had been night-killed. So I checked the spoiler thread and it turned out that Meanas was Big Ben and Ruse was Uncle Ben.

HOW WEIRD WOULD THAT BE IF MY DREAM WAS RIGHT?!

Dude, if you put that forward as a case you could probably get a lynch

I honestly wouldnt be surprised at anything at this point, but the two of them went after each other pretty hard on day two, may too much effort to be distancing, and at damn near the same time too. Wouldnt be surprised if one of them was scum though.

Well since the forums are up we need to start advancing cases and at some point I think we should try to call out players for CI to get a vote bloc. If one of us dies tonight and we lynch inno, that would really suck.

Yeah it would. Like I said before, trying to force out the roled players is kind of a two edged sword though and as long as we're not under any suspicion us revealing technically doesnt decrease the suspect pool. We may have to if the 'lynch the lowest poster' thing picks up any speed, I'm pretty sure I'd get a bit of pressure then. I was really hoping there'd be a finder or guard stepping forward, but they will most likely wait till D-Day before giving us a list of the people they failed to find guilty or successfully guard. If both are around then it's possible between them they can narrow the list down to only two or three people, but with Kesso being NK'd there's a good chance either we've lost the only guard or their partner wont be able to CI themselves without revealing role.

The game does seem to be picking up a bit of steam though, which is good. I'll try stick around a little longer, but I really, really need to get some sleep tonight.

Get some rest, man.

You gotta remember that UB and BB can't communicate off-thread so any revealing we do will CI us, BUT I agree that it doesn't decrease the suspect pool because we already not counting ourselves. I want to just lump Fener in there as VPI because nobody has counter-claimed vig. So if that's 3 of us, revealing may not reduce the suspect pool of 6 remaining players BUT it should give any other CIs out there incentive to speak up. I would imagine at LEAST one person in the remaining 6 was paired innocent in some way (roled).

I'll do what I have to if things get really hairy but I think we have lots of time to let it play out assuming the forums cooperate.

D'riss said:

I can't stay awake for 2 more hours with this kind of thread inactivity. Even if we suddenly revealed, do you really think we'd get 1 or 2 more CIs before night timer to mass a lynch bloc?

I have a very bad feeling you or Fener are going to get killed tonight based on the pattern of killing low posters (and Fener is VPI) and let's face it: me, Ruse and Telas are all semi-suspicious.

Possible it will be someone else like Liosan or whatever, but I'm pretty much up balls creek right now since there's no real way to get a lynch.

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 20 May 2009 - 07:04 AM

[Path-Shaper]

Oh, change from the killer:

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Kill Silanah.


This is kind of a bitter situation. If ruse and I win partly because of the game dying off, I'm gonna be a little put out. I think up until the forums crashed I was doing a fairly legit job...

Hmmm, too bad, if Telas keeps his provisional, he's get the find. And I agree he was doing very well

[drinksinbars]

game has really died a death

[Tapper]

@ bwgan:

who is Lucy?

[Tapper]

drinksinbars, on May 20 2009, 11:27 AM, said:

game has really died a death

well, no surprise. Even rule 34 would have died to the forum time outs.

[Path-Shaper]

Well, change of target from the killer:

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If it's not too late to change my provisional is it ok if I go with

Provisional: Kill Meanas

instead?

You can change until the night ends, so no problem

Ok, please consider that a change.

By this point, if Meanas is roled as I suspect, he's better off dead - especially with no lynch today. The odds are slowly looking better for team scum, and more importantly the chances of me being fingered without a reveal doing it seem pretty slim.

At this point, it seems I'm more likely to be random lynched by not having enough posts or something like that.

So,

Kill Meanas please.

We need confirmation of prov by Telas and the vigs, and a target from Ruse.

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 20 May 2009 - 10:44 AM

[Malaese]

Saw you guys were trying to move the game, I sent Pb the link to the temp forum.

[Sir Thursday]

Path-Shaper, on May 20 2009, 08:02 AM, said:

OK, it's night. Let's see if there are some provs in the mailbox

The vigs:

Fener said:

So I am really not liking Gamelon right now. He makes a case, doesn't vote, then says it was to get Lio's reaction, and still, doesn't vote! Kinda middle of the road. Maybe I am wrong about Ruse. What do you think, lynch Ruse, if he's inno, vig Gamelon? Or vice versa, you could make a case against Gamelon and I'll switch, then if he comes up inno, we vig Ruse? Let me know what you think.

Alt guesses

Lio is Bubba (he said ass in one of his posts,thats his tell, well, that and being a total douche).
D'riss is Mentalist (he said something about a bus, Ment is the only one wo rides the bus in our timezone)
Ruse is Peanutbutta (way too smooth)
I dont remember who else is playing...oh wait
Sil is DK (given)
Gamelon is Dibs (total guess)
Tennes is (no idea whos playin and whos still alive)
Theres one more (Korlat?) shit , the ninth and not knowing who the hell it is makes me nervous!

Sorry, a little drunk, good day at work, means good night of drinks.

Nothing there, let's wait for them to come back.

Only got Liosan and Silanah right there...Gamelon = DiBs is a funny one .


Sir Thursday

[Path-Shaper]

Here are the missing Night Actions:

Sixty says:

Ruse said:

Silence Meanas

My mafia senses are all fucked up, but I basically want to take out the only one I've found who could be Fener's "ally". Hopefully it won't get pushed onto me somehow.

And Obdi confirms no action:

Meanas said:

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Night action is NO ACTION

Hopefully you wont need to wait on Meanas to confirm, Obi, your getting close to mod kill territory. Come on man.

Anytime I get on the site I get stupid errors.

Did you not know about the temp forum? If not, its here

http://z10.invisionf...dex.php?act=idx

anyway, we missed the lynch, and now we wait, might want to confirm no action, just in case, unless you have anything you feel like vigging.

I feel like vigging everyone on the board that isn't you... but no , I can confim No Action.

I'll end night etc., seeing as we have all the actions in now.


Sir Thursday