[Ruse]

Um Fener, I already saw it. Look up and read my edit.

But given my boatload of work, I can't afford to look back at mafia every minute or two. I've procrastinating enough as it is. D:

[Fener]

Oh wait, Ruse editted his post, to say thats just silly. Regardless, the point is, I am being active, making cases, not muddying the waters, to say less is not only scummy, its bloody stupid. How else would you presume to find scum?

[Ruse]

You have:
-Made a case on Silanah that you've agreed it stupid
-Voted me for pseudo-OMGUS for my defense of the person you were attacking (Silanah), claiming that Silanah is also now my symp. What?

[Silanah]

My second post is a edit of the first. I struggle to edit on the phone so ignore the first please. :-)

[Fener]

Ruse, on May 14 2009, 04:25 PM, said:

You have:
-Made a case on Silanah that you've agreed it stupid
-Voted me for pseudo-OMGUS for my defense of the person you were attacking (Silanah), claiming that Silanah is also now my symp. What?

1. I said todays vote was stupid, the case yesterday was standard day one case, not stupid, but weak
2. Your case on me is Omgus, And yes, with BB and UB knowing each other, its not a far stretch that when Sil caught my vote, you defended, when Meanas voted, and I changed, Sil railed and got pissy again, trying to draw the attention away from you. Apparently it worked. And again, if you think thats muddying the waters, you are wrong. Its called not being middle of the road. Or being a sheep.

[Ruse]

I'm off for a while; with luck I'll be back before I miss a lot of discussion.

[Fener]

Yeah, works about over for me. I'll be back in a couple.

[Telas]

Emurlahn, on May 14 2009, 03:14 PM, said:

Brief checkin while Im at work, glad to see theres not a humugous amount of new pages!

Telas, on May 14 2009, 02:51 PM, said:

Well, not really got massive amounts to add.

Gamelon and Korv have been rather under the radar, but being helpful doesn't necessarily mean scum.
I disagree with Menas/Fener, I don't think Silanah is blatantly scummy, or at least not for the reasons they are saying. They're basically accusing him of being overly defensive/agressive, which really isn't much, and I actually didn't really see him as being massively over defensive. In fact, he was basically manipulated into over-defensiveness, by having really stupid accusations thrown at him, imo.
Ruse seems to make quite a bit of sense.
Not got much of a read on Liosan at all.

so basically Telas doesnt think anyone is being bad or scummy and all the cases are overblown?

No, I think that Meanas/Fener are being most scummy.
Gamelon/Korvalain could be scum, but as usual it's very hard to tell with helpful under the radar people, because it's hard to tell the difference between scum doing that and innos doing that.
Same with liosan, I don't have a read, so could be scum, could be inno.

[Telas]

Fener, on May 14 2009, 04:33 PM, said:

Ruse, on May 14 2009, 04:25 PM, said:

You have:
-Made a case on Silanah that you've agreed it stupid
-Voted me for pseudo-OMGUS for my defense of the person you were attacking (Silanah), claiming that Silanah is also now my symp. What?

1. I said todays vote was stupid, the case yesterday was standard day one case, not stupid, but weak
2. Your case on me is Omgus, And yes, with BB and UB knowing each other, its not a far stretch that when Sil caught my vote, you defended, when Meanas voted, and I changed, Sil railed and got pissy again, trying to draw the attention away from you. Apparently it worked. And again, if you think thats muddying the waters, you are wrong. Its called not being middle of the road. Or being a sheep.

Except that UB and BB don't know each other. UB knows BB, but BB doesn't know UB.

[Meanas]

Telas, on May 14 2009, 03:36 PM, said:

Except that UB and BB don't know each other. UB knows BB, but BB doesn't know UB.

And how, pray tell, do you know this?

[Silanah]

The difference between you and me fener. Is that i don't harp on one thing. I don't let my ego take over and get so convinced i am right that i forget to look anywhere else. I don't take one small thing like agreeing with TWO people and make out like you have 'stolen cases symped everyone in sight.' i am at least capable of looking beyond my own ego and admit i might be wrong. Not you. You are so busy convincing yoursfule that i am guilty that you have forgotten how to play the game. I don't believe day one cases are always shit. They are only shit if you make them so. Which is what you seen to have done.

[Telas]

Meanas, on May 14 2009, 04:39 PM, said:

Telas, on May 14 2009, 03:36 PM, said:

Except that UB and BB don't know each other. UB knows BB, but BB doesn't know UB.

And how, pray tell, do you know this?

Cause if memory serves that's how it worked last time.
And because that's how master/symp usually work.
Would be rather surprised if BB knew his symp.

Edit: Gonna go check rules...

This post has been edited by Telas: 14 May 2009 - 08:41 PM

[Meanas]

Telas, on May 14 2009, 03:41 PM, said:

Meanas, on May 14 2009, 04:39 PM, said:

Telas, on May 14 2009, 03:36 PM, said:

Except that UB and BB don't know each other. UB knows BB, but BB doesn't know UB.

And how, pray tell, do you know this?

Cause if memory serves that's how it worked last time.
And because that's how master/symp usually work.
Would be rather surprised if BB knew his symp.

Edit: Gonna go check rules...

I just did check the rules.

You are wrong, according to the posted rules...

[Telas]

Path-Shaper, on May 12 2009, 05:59 AM, said:

Note 2: The two Benses can NOT communicate off-thread, although they will know of each other. When the first Big Ben shift, Uncle Ben will be made aware of the identity of his new master, and vice-versa.

Meh, I stand corrected...

[Telas]

Meanas, on May 14 2009, 04:41 PM, said:

Telas, on May 14 2009, 03:41 PM, said:

Meanas, on May 14 2009, 04:39 PM, said:

Telas, on May 14 2009, 03:36 PM, said:

Except that UB and BB don't know each other. UB knows BB, but BB doesn't know UB.

And how, pray tell, do you know this?

Cause if memory serves that's how it worked last time.
And because that's how master/symp usually work.
Would be rather surprised if BB knew his symp.

Edit: Gonna go check rules...

I just did check the rules.

You are wrong, according to the posted rules...

Yeah, just checked myself.

[D'riss]

Meanas, on May 14 2009, 12:19 PM, said:

Emurlahn, on May 14 2009, 02:16 PM, said:

Meanas, on May 14 2009, 03:15 PM, said:

Am I wrong or has D'riss not been on today?

uh i think he was on about 10 hours ago? that was just barely today for me (tho i could be wrong about 10 hours Im just guestimating) might not be 'today' for u

edit (back to work, might pop inin a while

I just checked, he hasn't been on in 15 and right about now was the middle of his post time yesterday.

Hi. This is my day time, yes, BUUUUUUT I am home today with a sick infant. LOL REAL LIFE RIGHT?!

Okay, here's my thought. I voted Korvalain last night for what I felt was BLATANT scumminess. The guy basically fake-gasped at the events and was completely active at the time of the lynch, and the night scene shortly thereafter. Yes, I realize a lurker or someone else could have been around to confirm NAs, etc, BUT after thinking it over, Korvalain's really looking suspect to me.

• Seemed surprised at the idea that there were two kills. GASP VIGS NO WAY?!
  
• Completely "forgot" Kessobahn was DEAD.
  
• Completely "forgot" UB and BB can't communicate off-thread.
  
• Acts helpful? Says, "Good morning, lets get to work."

Korvalain, on May 14 2009, 08:02 AM, said:

Good morning, lets get to work.

Silanah, on May 14 2009, 10:51 AM, said:

funny thing is...im not even angry

Coulda fooled me. The problem is, despite the fact that text is soulless, it can carry a certain level of emotion to the reader based on the words and punctuation used. You're coming across as a raving nut, loud aggressive and repulsive. Fener on the other hand, as I read him, seems more lucid and levelheaded. I'm not casting guilt on either of you right now, tho Emu's comment about a Meanas Fener link may hold water, I'm gonna go look into them when I finish looking at Gamelon, but raving and throwing a tantrum hurts your credibility. Right now Fener has more credibility with me because he's keeping his emotions in check.

crosspost

^^ Posted at 802 AM

Korvalain, on May 14 2009, 08:15 AM, said:

Okay, read through Gamelon, and most of the stuff was worthless. He agreed with a lot of people, he opened his posting with a blow-by-blow summary of the game up to that point, and he spends a lot of posts deciphering our silenced companions pictographs. But in his third post, something caught my eye. Its easy to pass off as a spelling mistake, but it seems awfully convenient given the subject matter of this game.

Gamelon, on May 13 2009, 08:19 AM, said:

Liosan, on May 13 2009, 10:51 AM, said:

Wow. I expected a few pages from when I went to bed.

That's because Rashan hasn't been here.


However, there is actually some interesting stuff coming out now.
The post by Korlat is a indeed strange. An attack on Emur seems a little unwarrented, especially on evidence that seems more like a hunch. The "obvious" comment could just be poor wording, but the speculation about who silenced who is just going to tie everything in knots this early. I wasn't here for the other Benses game, so I've been thinking about the silencing factor. How effective can speculating about this be? Tennes is saying it's useless and Kesso is saying that suggesting it's not important sounds scummy. It might be important at some point, but IMO speculating might obfuscate things more than it helps if we over analyse it.

edit: crosspost with silanah and kesso

For those who want to know, or don't know, the correct spelling is unwarranted. I doubt spelling will get anyone lynched ever, but I think this is worth a vote, in my mind.

vote Gamelon

Crosspost with the entire fucking page.

^^Made a huge post about voting Gamelon for a possible intentional spelling slip. I was all over Korlat yesterday for a 'slip' but he was innocent, so I'm not entirely sure this is necessary. Since BB and UB can't even communicate off-thread, why signal and potentially give yourselves away? You have no way of coming up with a private code for each other. He quickly changes his mind when he realizes BB and UB can't talk to each other (gasp doesn't know rules?)

Korvalain, on May 14 2009, 08:59 AM, said:

Okay, see ya Gamelon. After reading Meanas and Fener together, I have noticed that each has subtly symped the other, one yesterday, switching up today, but it is impossible to deny that there seems to be a connection. I was particularly interested by Meanas' behaviour. Yesterday at 6 he said "I don't like the 'case' on Korlat." (I lost all the quotes when I switched tabs, didn't wanna get em all again, sorry) yet his very next post at 8:30 was to hammer Korlat. Now, 2 and 1/2 hours is ample time to change ones mind, but that far? Maybe he just wanted a day one lynch and we were too close to the wire to change to Sil. Of course, killers want a lynch every day too...

Fener has been quiet, but has been harping on Sil almost non-stop, until today when he mentions Sil as symping Ruse. As I said, Fener and Meanas have been symping each other, but if its UB and BB, then I think Fener is more likely BB.

vote Fener

^^Less than an hour later, is all buddy-buddy with Gamelon and suddenly doesn't like Fener anymore. Also, why on earth would Benses symp each other? BB knows his symp!

Korvalain, on May 13 2009, 06:47 PM, said:

Hmm, in addition, D'riss, we already killed one inno because, as I gather, you "picked up on slips" and put them in big letters. Don't make me the same mistake with me.

^^Oh yeah, he threatened me too. Seriously, LOL? But of course.... vvv

Korvalain, on May 13 2009, 04:05 PM, said:

Yegad, has everyone gone bonkers?! Must be Benses. Uh, frankly, I haven't liked Korlat's play all game and agree with D'riss that his slip was pretty major. I damn well hope this isn't a wild goose chase, but I think that on day 1, with play already this insane and with a modkill (boo Venge) that Korlat can't be allowed to remain around. He's gonna be for this game what Shadow was in barfight, keeping everybody's hackles up and being a 5000 pound blue whale in the upper bunk.

^^ HE AGREED WITH THE SLIP.


He basically missed a good chunk of Day 1, dodging most of the spam fights, and has been friendly with both of the targets he has voted on today. He was on the lynch yesterday as an early vote, meaning he can deny being a 'train' vote. Something is very fishy about his play, so....

Vote Korvalain

[Silanah]

And for the record i am far from convinced that meanas and fener are scum. I think there is a possibility that they are two like minded simpletons who can't get over the fact they are wrong about me. I tell you now those two wont stop till i am dead. Because they are too selfserving to admit they might be wrong. I don't see scum being so daft...or am i wrong?
Any how...Good night. Im off to bed.

[D'riss]

Also, why did Telas get this wrong today when Korv clearly got it wrong yesterday?

UB AND BB KNOW EACH OTHER.

[Telas]

D'riss, on May 14 2009, 04:50 PM, said:

Also, why did Telas get this wrong today when Korv clearly got it wrong yesterday?

UB AND BB KNOW EACH OTHER.

Because i'm tired and assumed the rules would be standard/same as last time(symp knows master, master doesn't know symp).
Rules and me don't get on well.

[Meanas]

Silanah, on May 14 2009, 03:48 PM, said:

And for the record i am far from convinced that meanas and fener are scum. I think there is a possibility that they are two like minded simpletons who can't get over the fact they are wrong about me. I tell you now those two wont stop till i am dead. Because they are too selfserving to admit they might be wrong. I don't see scum being so daft...or am i wrong?
Any how...Good night. Im off to bed.

Silanah, I didn't even mention you today until you started in on me. I even ignored it when you attacked me while I was gone.

At this point, please stop claiming that I am unjustly persecuting you today. Everyone on the thread can see that you inserted yourself in my discussion with Ruse, and that is where we started having words today. Although your continual swearing and insults definantally make it seem that you are level headed and know what you are doing.

Have a good nights sleep.