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#1221 User is offline   Gamelon 

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Posted 18 May 2009 - 11:10 PM

The weekend freeze has resulted in a really slow thaw!

Ok, I'm not sure if this really is a 'case', but I think it has some possibilities because I did find a suspicious post by Liosan. FYI, this is post #265 since I don't think the edit time stamp will appear in the quoted version.


View PostLiosan, on May 13 2009, 10:51 AM, said:

Wow. I expected a few pages from when I went to bed.

The thing that is most surprising to me is how many people like the spam. Shocked I guess would be more accurate. But I guess if the majority like a huge amount of spam, I wont complain about it anymore.


Edit: On a side note I was thinking that maybe we could setup some sort of Spam index. That way people who don't want to play in huge spam fests don't have too, and people who want too wont be harped on by those that don't like spam. Like maybe rate them low=10 spam posts per poster per twenty four hours, med=25, high=40, and then unlimited. The mod running the game could set it to their liking, and have the rating in the sign up thread. just an idea.



Liosan edits this post with a long edit (which is what caught my eye). The post was made at 10:51. The edit was made a half hour later, at 11:22. If you read the post without the edit, you get the image of a Liosan toning down his stance on spam, saying he won't complain anymore. The tone of the post changes back to 'tough on spam' however, once the edit is added.

The next post after Lio’s original is one by Silanah, who lends support for anti-spam at 11:13. Liosan adds a NEW POST at 11:21 to agree with Silanah, after which he goes BACK to edit the previous post to re-harden his stance against spam by suggesting the spam-system. There isn't any reason I can think of for Lio not to add this “spam system” as a new post. Why go back and edit the previous one?

Now, Liosan had a lot of posts before he was silenced on day 2. The thing is, he was combative about spam and spammers like D’riss and Rashan, but didn’t do much else. He was the only one not to have a vote laid down at the end of the day because his spammer vote Rashan was mod-killed.

My speculation based on looking at this is that he was openly combative against spam, which got his profile and post count up and out there early on. At the same time, taking a stance against spam is something that won’t be seen as scummy (except by the spammers maybe). He leaves and comes back later - apparently senses that his anti-spam routine isn’t seeing much support, so he softens his stance. The whole post edit thing strikes me as overthinking, like he’s speculating that his sudden softening of stance will be noticed. So after getting (or because of) encouragement from Sil he edits the post.

I'll admit it's a lot of speculation based on a post edit, but it's a post edit that makes some sense when interpreted as serving to hedge the original post. Otherwise why do it?

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Posted 19 May 2009 - 05:02 AM

This is day 3. 26 hours left

9 Players still alive: D'riss, Fener, Gamelon, Liosan, Meanas, Ruse, Silanah, Telas, Tennes

5 votes to lynch, 5 votes to go to night

1 vote for Ruse: ( Fener )

Players not voted: D'riss, Gamelon, Liosan, Meanas, Ruse, Silanah, Telas, Tennes
Only someone with this much power could make this many frittatas without breaking any eggs.
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#1223 User is offline   D'riss 

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Posted 19 May 2009 - 05:42 AM

So how the heck did you notice something that out-of-the-way like edit/post timestamps on a post from the first several pages, Gamelon?

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Posted 19 May 2009 - 07:38 AM

I see what he means...

liosan makes a post about spam.
then i come on 20 min later and support the "anti spam drive" at 11:13.
liosan , Then quotes my posts and adds to it at 11:21
But the time stamp on his first post about spam's edit is 11:22...

so why did he add something after the fact on a post 2 posts prior when a full new post would do the same trick?
Maybe he thought something he said was incriminating and tried the old ninja edit.

I would like to see liosan under some pressure anyways...because f the silencing he has really had it easy and this edit seems a bit strange to me.


edit - sentence made no grammatical sense

This post has been edited by Silanah: 19 May 2009 - 07:40 AM


#1225 User is offline   Gamelon 

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Posted 19 May 2009 - 07:39 AM

Well, basically I was looking back through the post pages of several individual posters (Liosan, Telas and Ruse to be precise). That edit caught my eye because of the length of it, so I clicked on the link to see the post in context. That's when I noticed the time stamp and thought "that's weird".

That post by Lio isn't that far back on his list of posts, because I basically scrolled past his picture posts without paying much attention to them.

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Posted 19 May 2009 - 08:57 AM

View PostGamelon, on May 18 2009, 07:10 PM, said:

The weekend freeze has resulted in a really slow thaw!

Ok, I'm not sure if this really is a 'case', but I think it has some possibilities because I did find a suspicious post by Liosan. FYI, this is post #265 since I don't think the edit time stamp will appear in the quoted version.


View PostLiosan, on May 13 2009, 10:51 AM, said:

Wow. I expected a few pages from when I went to bed.

The thing that is most surprising to me is how many people like the spam. Shocked I guess would be more accurate. But I guess if the majority like a huge amount of spam, I wont complain about it anymore.


Edit: On a side note I was thinking that maybe we could setup some sort of Spam index. That way people who don't want to play in huge spam fests don't have too, and people who want too wont be harped on by those that don't like spam. Like maybe rate them low=10 spam posts per poster per twenty four hours, med=25, high=40, and then unlimited. The mod running the game could set it to their liking, and have the rating in the sign up thread. just an idea.



Liosan edits this post with a long edit (which is what caught my eye). The post was made at 10:51. The edit was made a half hour later, at 11:22. If you read the post without the edit, you get the image of a Liosan toning down his stance on spam, saying he won't complain anymore. The tone of the post changes back to 'tough on spam' however, once the edit is added.

The next post after Lio's original is one by Silanah, who lends support for anti-spam at 11:13. Liosan adds a NEW POST at 11:21 to agree with Silanah, after which he goes BACK to edit the previous post to re-harden his stance against spam by suggesting the spam-system. There isn't any reason I can think of for Lio not to add this "spam system" as a new post. Why go back and edit the previous one?

Now, Liosan had a lot of posts before he was silenced on day 2. The thing is, he was combative about spam and spammers like D'riss and Rashan, but didn't do much else. He was the only one not to have a vote laid down at the end of the day because his spammer vote Rashan was mod-killed.

My speculation based on looking at this is that he was openly combative against spam, which got his profile and post count up and out there early on. At the same time, taking a stance against spam is something that won't be seen as scummy (except by the spammers maybe). He leaves and comes back later - apparently senses that his anti-spam routine isn't seeing much support, so he softens his stance. The whole post edit thing strikes me as overthinking, like he's speculating that his sudden softening of stance will be noticed. So after getting (or because of) encouragement from Sil he edits the post.

I'll admit it's a lot of speculation based on a post edit, but it's a post edit that makes some sense when interpreted as serving to hedge the original post. Otherwise why do it?



That's pretty far reaching......I don't know why the time stamps are screwed up. And let let me make this clear, my stance on spam is, it is fucking annoying when there is page after page of it. a few spamy comments here there enliven the game, but nothing but spam=no game.

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Posted 19 May 2009 - 09:10 AM

I've never timed myself but that seems a lot of typing for me in under a minute.

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Posted 19 May 2009 - 09:11 AM

you dont know why the stamps are screwed up?...thats all you have to say....so you are saying you edited that post immediately and the board messed it up somehow.

This has nothing to do with your stance on spam liosan, and everything to do with you editing posts for no reason other than what i can think of than to cover some sort of mistake.

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Posted 19 May 2009 - 09:14 AM

View PostSilanah, on May 19 2009, 05:11 AM, said:

you dont know why the stamps are screwed up?...thats all you have to say....so you are saying you edited that post immediately and the board messed it up somehow.

This has nothing to do with your stance on spam liosan, and everything to do with you editing posts for no reason other than what i can think of than to cover some sort of mistake.



fuck you. I have NEVER editted a post to cover shit up.

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Posted 19 May 2009 - 09:23 AM

well fuck you too


why did you edit that then?

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Posted 19 May 2009 - 09:27 AM

View PostSilanah, on May 19 2009, 05:23 AM, said:

well fuck you too


why did you edit that then?



To add that idea of a spam index. I thought it was good idea. Seeings how a bunch of people seemed to be infavor of spam, and some of us would rather not play in spam fest type games. that was the only part of the message that was eddited..NOTHING was removed.

#1232 User is offline   Silanah 

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Posted 19 May 2009 - 09:35 AM

but.....why edit the post?
why not post a new post?

especially since you already DID post after that post and before the edit?

dont make no sense

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Posted 19 May 2009 - 09:51 AM

View PostSilanah, on May 19 2009, 05:35 AM, said:

but.....why edit the post?
why not post a new post?

especially since you already DID post after that post and before the edit?

dont make no sense


That's the rub....I'm as sure as I can be with ti being over a week ago......I think I did add that before responding. I'm pretty sure I wrote that edit while you were posting your response. I think the time stamps are wrong. But if comes down to it I will quit the game before being accused of cheating like that.

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Posted 19 May 2009 - 10:05 AM

No one said anything about cheating...its just strange and worthy of questioning.

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Posted 19 May 2009 - 10:13 AM

This is day 3. a bit less than 9 hours left

9 Players still alive: D'riss, Fener, Gamelon, Liosan, Meanas, Ruse, Silanah, Telas, Tennes

5 votes to lynch, 5 votes to go to night

1 vote for Ruse: ( Fener )

Players not voted: D'riss, Gamelon, Liosan, Meanas, Ruse, Silanah, Telas, Tennes
Only someone with this much power could make this many frittatas without breaking any eggs.
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Posted 19 May 2009 - 05:02 PM

Well, the Forums back up. again. Sigh, this makes for a very difficult game. I will respond to Telas, question though. I am voting Ruse, because I've had him on my scum-dar since day 2, so for about 3 months. Nothing else has come to light to make me look, else where, other than the fact that Game makes a point about a Liosan edit, and doesn't vote, and Silanah goes on the attack, and doesn't vote. If neither of you feel it is vote worthy, why should I? Anyway, I got nothing, my brain left the game because of all of the damn crashes, and I can't seem to pick my game back up.

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Posted 19 May 2009 - 05:03 PM

Also, unless PS changes the time because of the down time, theres only about 3 hours left.

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Posted 19 May 2009 - 05:04 PM

At this point I honestly don't know what to do.

For the sake of the game I'll add 12 hours, but I don't know if this will ever end :)
Only someone with this much power could make this many frittatas without breaking any eggs.
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Posted 19 May 2009 - 05:06 PM

Best thing to do is to just modkill the scum Path-Shaper. Or just let us know who Big Ben is real quick and we'll speed lynch him. Thanks in advance.

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Posted 19 May 2009 - 05:10 PM

If I might make a suggestion, we need a lynch. If for no other reason than this feels like day one all over again, and we can get info from the Night action and lynch result. If no one wants to present a case, then we lynch the lowest poster, or Ruse, or some random player and see what happens, its still not do or die right now, anyway.

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