[Path-Shaper]

There is a problem with the Mafia manager that is keeping track of the time. Ignore the time remaining for now.

[Serc]

Here for a bit hoping some ppl will pop on... but if not, I think the Omtose lynch push is OK simply because if Emur etc are lying, it's pretty much what I said before that they can't win with only 3.

edit: teh typoz

This post has been edited by Serc: 11 May 2009 - 05:53 AM

[Omtose]

Gamelon, on May 10 2009, 10:21 PM, said:

jesus you are terrible at this game.

Nice attitude there, Gamelon. Of course, Gamelon is great at this game. He's so good at this game he guarded the healer last night.

Lynch me and see where it gets us. That's fine.

remove vote

vote Omtose

Off to work, see you later people.

[Serc]

Still kind of here for a little bit... not sure I want to hammer but if nobody shows up I will.

edit: Kinda hoping Amp shows up for opinion.

This post has been edited by Serc: 11 May 2009 - 06:58 AM

[Gamelon]

back and catching up.

[Gamelon]

Serc, on May 11 2009, 03:10 AM, said:

Gamelon, on May 10 2009, 09:21 AM, said:

Ampelas, on May 10 2009, 05:14 PM, said:

Sorry what?

galain revealed as rezzik and he claims tennes was his partner who was inigo.

emur revealed as inigio

i revealed as fezzik.

rashan revealed as partnered to tennes as king and queen (lovers)

Gailain came up as town, therefore either galain is a symp or the entire evil team decided to reveal for the sole purpose of removing ja.

It doesnt take a genius to realise that ja was lying and that we now have 4 PI (me, you, emur, rashan)

there are ten players left, hp cannot be the last killer as he has missed too many days and so wasnt here to put in actions. in fact the only people whop could be the last killer and have chosen ano are

omtose
korvalain
me
you
rashan
emur

4 of the pi's!!!

so its either omtose or korvalain. korvalain i feel is a symp, so my bet is on omtose.

remove vote

vote omtose

I'm just looking this over and over and I can't help but think it's full of wine.

If you and Emur are scum (and Fener was a partner?) and Rashan and Tennes were your symps, you have 3 people right now and a bad lynch tonight puts the game one night from your victory (1 lynch + 1 kill, assuming this scenario Emur has no vig I'd guess). So... the counter argument is naturally, "Then after inno/inno CFs, you proceed to lynch all 3 of us in short order, and win the game, so clearly we aren't the scum because if we mess up this mass reveal, we lose."

Completely valid counter-argument, and assuming it did happen this way, I'm at a loss to think how you could talk your way out of it, yet here you are talking your way out of the original plan.

Now the inverse, let's say you are legit and Galain was a symp. Why did you blow your wad on his lynch in return for your own? Why would Rashan randomly reveal (saying that he figured he would since everyone else was doing it, aka peer pressure lol)? He even admits it makes him look bad, which is mostly stating the obvious. Best I can figure is, you were so damned confident that Galain would CF inno you went all in on the bet. Problem is, flop came up 5 9 A and you're holding K K, so now you look just weird for pushing a case on someone who we can't actually determine if he was lying.

It's circular. If I assume you're innocent, the logical counter-argument is that you could easily not be and be hoping to press a lynch tomorrow anyway with your persuasive powers, or possibly sacrificing one of your scum partners to try and clear the others (maybe Rashan?). All I come up with is I really DON'T know if you are telling the truth and it's again your word against Galain's (post-mortem).

But, I think Ampelas's word may be the strongest here for being CI, which is why I still haven't voted.

Also, sorry for the poker reference.

ok, i revealed as is evidenced if you read it because i had been blocking ano and thought galain was the killer. I didnt expect ja to be merely a symp. My reveal was in my mind safe and appropriate as i thought we had both killers down, galain and ano.

Korvalain, on May 11 2009, 04:20 AM, said:

So Ive been thinking. It wouldnt be impossible to believe that JA was telling the truth, and that emur is the last killer. 2 killers with 4 symos. Possibly Game,Rash, and any one else, would gladly take a bullet for Emur, if this was the case. Now back to bed. Just needed to get that tought out there.

If there arent two night kills, emurs vig and the killers kill i will happily vote emur tomorrow but if he followed my advice he willr emove you as you have been the most obvious symp. At the end of the day we need two scum removed, two! there were clearly 3 from the opening scene and i dont know how we have managed to miss them but we have.

Emurlahn, on May 11 2009, 04:23 AM, said:

Now, remember that there is no communication between Master and Symp. So hypothetically, if Gamelon and I were killers and Rashan was a symp, Rash would have had to have independently come to the conclusion that this was the plan Gamelon and myself had concocted and gambled that there was noone else alive with the role of King or Queen to counterclaim.

EDIT: Crosspost

i cant be a killer no matter how you look at it. if i am telling the truth i am the town guard, if ja was telling the truth my find came back inno.

[Gamelon]

@omtose - you are a tit, you know that. the case on you was that it was either you or korvalain around the time between the reveal of ano and the night kill and you could easily if you read the htread and actually thought about it for one second in a normal sensible fashion realised that there was no way I was scum. Instead you got your back up and refused to budge, if you are inno you could have made a case based on something instead, of the JA love and grasping at straws.

personally i dont think amp is in trouble, the killer or killers need to remove my bp because as soon as we get one of them that ci of amp is less valuable than a guard, especially when our suspect list is in my eyes, quite short.

@serc - about distro, (say for a minute the three of us arent scum) given that there are eight roled innos, what size of killer team are you expecting, i would guess 3 killers, 3 symps.

[Serc]

I'd guess 3 killers 2 symps. Also, not really sure where you get the 'obvious symp' bit from me. Been hearing that all game.

This post has been edited by Serc: 11 May 2009 - 07:26 AM

[Gamelon]

Serc, on May 11 2009, 08:25 AM, said:

I'd guess 3 killers 2 symps. Also, not really sure where you get the 'obvious symp' bit from me. Been hearing that all game.

i am saying korv is the obvious symp, not you, if i said you its early monday morning and i been up from six. Korv has been the centre piece of many a blow up.

[Serc]

No I get it now. Your thread response followed mine but you were responding to a particular comment from Korv.

This post has been edited by Serc: 11 May 2009 - 07:33 AM

[Serc]

I'll hammer then I suppose if Amp isn't here in 10-15 mins, it's past the time he showed up yesterday so I dunno when he'll be on.

[Gamelon]

Serc, on May 11 2009, 08:34 AM, said:

I'll hammer then I suppose if Amp isn't here in 10-15 mins, it's past the time he showed up yesterday so I dunno when he'll be on.

i dont think we are in any rush, do we not have ages? dk should be on soon as well, but then he is haphazard as far as time goes so you can if you want. Not liking that vote on themselves, if omtose is inno we could be in serious trouble. I am certain the ja was a symp, amp took out fener so at most four scum left.

10 players, possibly four scum.

have ruse down as a symp - so maybe 3 scum left (2 killers and a symp)

we should be at seven players in the morning so if omtose is one of the killers we are well ahead, if not its do or die.

[Gamelon]

i am gonna block someone random out of the group korv, serc, hp, rashan, and korlat.

[Serc]

Gamelon, on May 11 2009, 12:38 AM, said:

Serc, on May 11 2009, 08:34 AM, said:

I'll hammer then I suppose if Amp isn't here in 10-15 mins, it's past the time he showed up yesterday so I dunno when he'll be on.

i dont think we are in any rush, do we not have ages? dk should be on soon as well, but then he is haphazard as far as time goes so you can if you want. Not liking that vote on themselves, if omtose is inno we could be in serious trouble. I am certain the ja was a symp, amp took out fener so at most four scum left.

10 players, possibly four scum.

have ruse down as a symp - so maybe 3 scum left (2 killers and a symp)

we should be at seven players in the morning so if omtose is one of the killers we are well ahead, if not its do or die.

Yeah I'm even one person who said why rush it earlier. Only reason I'm offering now is just the damn curiosity of it.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 6. ~ 24 hours remaining
10 Players still alive: Ampelas, Emurlahn, Gamelon, Hood's Path, Korlat, Korvalain, Mockra, Omtose, Rashan, Serc

6 votes to lynch, 5 votes to go to night

5 vote for Omtose: ( Gamelon, Ampelas, Rashan, Emurlahn, Omtose)
1 vote for Emurlahn: (Korvalain )

4 Players not voted: Hood's Path, Korlat, Mockra, Serc

[Gamelon]

i just dont like the self vote, i did it to prove the point and if i was ri i would happily of gone if i felt it pointed the team in the right direction, but two things stopped me:-

1 - the guard is actually useful end game
2 - i felt it would just be a "hes the symp" reaction.

[Gamelon]

if omtose is doing the same thing, he is doing it to poitn at us three, and as for me he is wrong and i cant see ja fake claiming finder and setting up emur as a his master for a fall so hes clear. rashan, fits the opening scene, but came on late and has no way of proving it so is PI at best.

[Serc]

If you have doubt now why not just remove the vote and we can slow-step it today (tomorrow for me).

[Gamelon]

when you heading off?

if omtose was just a twit, who would you peg as a killer?

lets take the list and we will just assume everyone is telling the truth

Ampelas - wesley
Emurlahn - inigio
Gamelon - fezzik
Rashan - king

possible killers (you know i think there has to be two killers in this group of four)

Korlat
Mockra
Omtose
Serc

symp suspects

Korvalain, - PROBABLE SYMP

non entity
Hood's Path
Mockra (sort of non entity to be fair)

[Gamelon]

i am tempted to put korv into possible killers though.